Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

Originally posted by Hefficide
The argument that Islamic people are going to destroy and subvert the very fabric of America is the same lie that was laid at the feet of the blacks, Irish, Chinese, and other immigrant groups before now.

There is a difference.

None of the above groups arrived with a religion that demands followers carry out violent jihad against non-believers (as an express religious duty) and to bring the whole world within the 'peace' (under the subjugation) of Islam.

So far, on the 21st day of Ramadan, the religion of 'peace' has carried out 121 terror attacks and has murdered 631 people.

In the same period, 1 Hindu has murdered 1 Christian.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...




[edit on 2-9-2010 by ollncasino]

How many progressive attacks on Democrat locations in the recent past?

Firebombing at a Democrat office, blamed on TPM, and a progressive did it.

Vandalism and Swastika painted on a Democrat office, TPM blamed, Democrat operative did it.

Nut shoots up an area blamed on TPM, turns out to be a nut on the Democrat side.

Joe Stack flies into IRS building, blamed on TPM, turns out to be a Democrat nut.

Someone attempts a car bomb, Bloomberg blames TPM, turns out to be a Muslim.

Need I go on?

Forgot one of the recent ones, man stabs muslim in taxi.

Guess what he is!?

I tell you what OP, find me an example of the TPM doing ANYTHING like the Dems. Please, find one, find some actual racism.

Instead of the plants, the photoshopping, the black man with an AR 15 called a racist TPM.

Come on OP, You are GREAT at supposition and lies, aren't you?

Just to keep this thread on topic more or less.

Gasoline, car spotted at Murfreesboro mosque site; opponent reports threats after 'Daily Show'

Police investigating the possible arson of construction equipment at the site of a proposed mosque just outside Murfreesboro found gasoline under a truck and spotted a car whose driver appeared to be "watching" the fire Saturday.

A police sergeant also spotted a 2003 Nissan nearby with someone who appeared to be "watching" the fire. When the sergeant walked toward the car it drove off.

Police traced the car to a home about four miles from the site, but no one has been charged with a crime.

Looks as if the police might be getting close to whoever has done this.

Yes, to keep the thread on topic.

Another example of the lefty freaks going crazy.

Have you heard about the latest one?

The Discovery Channel Hostage taker.

Wow, what a nut job. I wonder if the lefty positions on the evil humans had anything to do with it. Hmmm, let us take a looky shall we.

Another one with a manifesto. WOW.

From here-michellemalkin.com...

2. All programs on Discovery Health-TLC must stop encouraging the birth of any more parasitic human infants and the false heroics behind those actions. In those programs’ places, programs encouraging human sterilization and infertility must be pushed. All former pro-birth programs must now push in the direction of stopping human birth, not encouraging it.

Another snippet from the lefty nutjob.

To be fair, I will include his immigration rant.

5. Immigration: Programs must be developed to find solutions to stopping ALL immigration pollution and the anchor baby filth that follows that. Find solutions to stopping it. Call for people in the world to develop solutions to stop it completely and permanently. Find solutions FOR these countries so they stop sending their breeding populations to the US and the world to seek jobs and therefore breed more unwanted pollution babies. FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THEM TO STOP THEIR HUMAN GROWTH AND THE EXPORTATION OF THAT DISGUSTING FILTH! (The first world is feeding the population growth of the Third World and those human families are going to where the food is! They must stop procreating new humans looking for nonexistant jobs!)

You know what whatukno, you and the other lefties are going to have to quit talking about the fake man made global warming, the destruction of mother earth, and other lefty ideologies.

Your side keeps creating ALL these nutjobs.

C'mon, when are you going to stop creating these people?

All your devisive rhetoric is the cause of all this rampant insanity.

Heck, look at what the Gorester said to cause him to do this-

Find solutions for Global Warming, Automotive pollution, International Trade, factory pollution, and the whole blasted human economy. Find ways so that people don’t build more housing pollution which destroys the environment to make way for more human filth! Find solutions so that people stop breeding as well as stopping using Oil in order to REVERSE Global warming and the destruction of the planet!

Does there seem to be a pattern here to the nutjobs lately, I can see it.

I mean really OP, you are going to have to stop these marxist nutjobs by stopping your rhetoric.

Sorry endisnighe, I really am ignoring you, no matter what your username is now, I can still recognize your writing style.

I know that you are trolling and I am not going to fall for it.

I would rather talk about this subject not your insanity that you have injected into this subject that fits your narrative.

Originally posted by ollncasino

None of the above groups arrived with a religion that demands followers carry out violent jihad against non-believers (as an express religious duty)
[edit on 2-9-2010 by ollncasino]

I have to imagine you know better given all the posting you do on the topic? That brings your motivation into question when you so eagerly make such a claim...

Research some....here start with Wikipedia..

Jihad (pronounced /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ [dʒiˈhæːd]), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "struggle." Jihad appears frequently in the Qur'an and common usage as the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of Allah (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)".[1][2] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid; the plural is mujahideen. Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status.[3] In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the 10 Practices of the Religion.

A wide range of opinions exist about the exact meaning of jihad. Muslims use the word in a religious context to refer to three types of struggles: an internal struggle to maintain faith, the struggle to improve the Muslim society, or the struggle in a holy war.[4] The differences of opinion are the result of different interpretation of the two most important sources in Islam, the Qur'an and the ahadith (singular: hadith). For example, the prominent orientalist Bernard Lewis argues that, in the Qur'an and the ahadith jihad implies warfare in the large majority of cases.[5] In a commentary of the hadith Sahih Muslim, entitled al-Minhaj, the medieval Islamic scholar Yahya ibn Sharaf al-Nawawi stated that "one of the collective duties of the community as a whole (fard kifaya) is to lodge a valid protest, to solve problems of religion, to have knowledge of Divine Law, to command what is right and forbid wrong conduct".[6]

In western societies the term jihad is often translated as "holy war".[7] Muslim authors tend to reject such an approach, stressing non-militant connotations of the word.[8] In technical literature, the term "holy war" is often used to describe jihad.[9] However, scholars of Islamic studies often stress that both words are not synonymous.

en.wikipedia.org...

The argument you are making is identical to claiming the God of the old testament demands slavery, genocide, war, fratricide etc..

And thus all Christians are demanded by thier faith to do such things as the bible commands.

this is where you say...but wait...what about the "New Testament"?

And the Muslims would say read the Hadith's...

You would take selective passages and translations from the Hadiths and continue to try to make your case...

And I would show you some passages from the New testament that are difficult to reconcile with contemporary christianity.

Etc. etc.

Islam in no more a religion of intolerance than Christianity.

What does that leave us with...PEOPLE who say and do intolerant things..

Extremists using Allah or God as an excuse to be horrible to their fellow human beings...

And if your posts have proven anything, they have proven that religion isn't a prequisite for that kind of world view.

[edit on 2-9-2010 by maybereal11]

Wouldn't any comparison of the tolerance of the Christian and Muslim faiths be relative?
In my own case, predominately Christian nations are debating my right to marry.
Fundamental views on homosexuality within Christianity are tempered by a democratic society permitted by a Christian majority.
Predominately Muslim nations are debating the severity of my punishment, flogging or execution.
Fundamental views on homosexuality within Islam are not tempered by a democratic society permitted by a Muslim majority.
Therefore, I view Islam as the less tolerant religion.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Hefficide
The argument that Islamic people are going to destroy and subvert the very fabric of America is the same lie that was laid at the feet of the blacks, Irish, Chinese, and other immigrant groups before now.

There is a difference.

None of the above groups arrived with a religion that demands followers carry out violent jihad against non-believers (as an express religious duty) and to bring the whole world within the 'peace' (under the subjugation) of Islam.


[edit on 2-9-2010 by ollncasino]

You are right. None of those groups arrived with an Islamic culture.

Yet each of these waves of immigration was met with the same empty rhetoric - that their culture would destroy ours. And so far this has not occurred.

You see what you preach as patriotism and purity.

I see it as fear and, quite frankly, a demonstration of your lack of faith in this country and in its strength. America is stronger than you seem to give it credit for.

Originally posted by 23refugee
Wouldn't any comparison of the tolerance of the Christian and Muslim faiths be relative?
In my own case, predominately Christian nations are debating my right to marry.
Fundamental views on homosexuality within Christianity are tempered by a democratic society permitted by a Christian majority.
Predominately Muslim nations are debating the severity of my punishment, flogging or execution.
Fundamental views on homosexuality within Islam are not tempered by a democratic society permitted by a Muslim majority.
Therefore, I view Islam as the less tolerant religion.

You view Middle-Eastern Islam as a less tolerant religion...

Give American Islam time.

European Christians used to burn homosexuals at the stake...thus the F*& word.

American Christians?...well now we have the Unitarian Church which has homosexual pastors.

Would you deny the Islamic faith the same potential evolution afforded by a free nation?

reply to post by maybereal11


Agree with your point., but wouldn't I be saying that Islam has the potential to become as tolerant as the Christian faith?
Doesn't the necessity to wait until Muslims assimilate somewhat into a democratic society show that the religion is less tolerant now?
I can only judge by what by what the majority does. If one group splinters off, they are not representational of the whole. I could easily view Universalists as representational of Christianity, but that would be false. I must view Christianity collectively, just as I view Islam.
One might ask that any persecuted minority simply wait until their oppressors evolve past their bigotry.
If I should, shouldn't everyone else?

Originally posted by maybereal11
In Arabic, the word jihād is a noun meaning "struggle." Jihad appears frequently in the Qur'an and common usage as the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of Allah (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)".[1][2] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid

I've heard the word somewhere before. Mujahideen. Where was it?

Oh, that's right, the Taliban.

Perhaps that explains why 97% of passages refering to Jihad in the Koran are references to violent Jihad?

www.answering-islam.org...

Verses 61:9 and 9:33 make it clear that Muhammad had a duty to conquer all non-Muslims

61:9 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it conqueror of all religion however much idolaters may be averse.

skepticsannotatedbible.com...

9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.

skepticsannotatedbible.com...

Under Islamic doctrine, Muhammad led a perfect life. To emulate his life is considered pious. In fact, if you die in pursuit of Jihad, you go to heaven immediately and don't need to wait until judgment day, unlike other Muslims who didn't die fighting in the name of Islam.

Another Non-Issue thread imo.

People this is detracting you from the real issues of America. I promise you arson on a mosque is nowhere near the top of our agenda...

This is GRANDSTANDING, detracting people from real issues...

Just my opinion but honest to good we can just repair the building.... How did this get 300 posts?! and why I ask... but I'm not looking for a response just asking myself why.

Originally posted by ollncasino
Perhaps that explains why 97% of passages refering to Jihad in the Koran are references to violent Jihad?

www.answering-islam.org...

No...that statistic is explained by the website you repeatedly provide a link to. A website dedicated to bashing the Muslim Faith with bad translations and statistics...

Sites critical of Islam
CARM
Infidels
Answering Islam
en.wikipedia.org...

If you google that site...rather than go to it, you find a flurry of rebuttals.

Yet you keep citing it like it is the Quran online...Dishonest at the least.

See here for an accurate discussion of Jihad in the Quran..
www.peacewithrealism.org...

Jihad and the Qur'an
Since our topic is jihad, let us begin by looking at the meaning of the word jihad itself. It is usually translated "holy war," and is often applied that way, but that is not its literal meaning. Literally, jihad means "striving." But what kind of striving is it? The following verses from the Qur'an use different forms of this word (2)

You people really believe your naive bull. Islam has been at war with every other culture on the planet for 1400 years. And please don't spout that PC garbage about muslim contributions to the world. Almost all contributions to civilization that came out of the muslim world came out of their captive populations. Most of what we think they preserved from the Greeks came from the Byzantium Empire. We wouldn't have let the nazi party build a party building here in WWII so why do we let muslims build a mosque. I don't care if they prey to allah at home but I don't want them trying to convert and subvert us. How many churches or budhdhist or hindu or shinto temples are allowed in saudia arabia? You just dont get it. Islam is more than a religion. It is a complete political and social system as well. We are just getting the tyranny of the christian religions out of our lives why would we want to replace that with islamic tyranny?

Originally posted by whatukno

Fire at Tenn. Mosque Building Site Ruled Arson

www.cbsnews.com

Federal officials are investigating a fire that started overnight at the site of a new Islamic center in a Nashville suburb.

Ben Goodwin of the Rutherford County Sheriff's Department confirmed to CBS Affiliate WTVF that the fire, which burned construction equipment at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is being ruled as arson.

Special Agent Andy Anderson of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told CBS News that the fire destroyed one piece of construction equipment and damaged three others. Gas was poured over the equipment to start the fi

(visit the link for the full news article)

Originally posted by ollncasino
A website dedicated to bashing the Muslim Faith

But there is so much to bash. For instance, is this what you are falling over yourself to defend?

Warning, graphic scenes of the activities of the Taliban

www.rawa.org...

What are your views on the founder of Islam (Muhammad) having sex with a 9 year old girl? Do you think that all Muslim men should be allowed to do so (as in Iran) or only the prophet?

www.faithfreedom.org...

How do you feel about a non-Muslim's testimony counting for less than a Muslim's testimony under Sharia law or perhaps not counting at all?

What are your opinion on a Muslim women's testimony only being worth half of a Muslim man's in a court of law?

How about a Muslim women only receiving half as much as a Muslim man when inheriting property?

Do you think it is fair that if a non-Muslim women is raped by a Muslim man, his testimony, by virtue of being a Muslim and a man, automatically supersedes hers?

www.ntpi.org...

What is your opinion of the religion of 'peace' having carried out, on the 22nd day of Ramadan, 154 terror attacks killing 640 people?

In the same period, 1 Hindu has murdered 1 Christian.

Can you explain this huge disparity in numbers between murders carried out by all other religions in the name of religion and murders carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam?

www.thereligionofpeace.com...


[edit on 2-9-2010 by ollncasino]

How many churches or budhdhist or hindu or shinto temples are allowed in saudia arabia? You just dont get it. Islam is more than a religion. It is a complete political and social system as well.

Besides Saudi Arabia which currently bans churches all together, the following countries all enforce significant limitations on new churches and/or expansions to old ones: Algeria; Bahrain; Bangladesh; Egypt; Indonesia; Iran; Turkey; Jordan; Kuwait; Libya; Morocco; Pakistan; Syria, and the UAE,

Using Egypt as a specific example, the President of Egypt (by custom, reserved for a Muslim) must personally approve all Church building applications, and the Provincial Governors (of 28 Governors, all are Muslims), must approve all applications for repairs, even for small repairs, such as a toilet or broken window.

cgi.stanford.edu...

In August 2009, a Fatwa was issued in Egypt by the Muslim council which prohibits the construction of new churches in Egypt and calls building of a new church a 'sin against god'.

www.aina.org...