reply to post by IAMIAM
You write: “There is one put between us and God, it is created by us, and is allowed by God. It is our own limitations to love each other. We have
the choice of whether this divider exists. I choose to not allow it to exist. If you need it, then have it. Suffering exists in this world because we
as a species allow it. None of us are born murderers, rapists, torturers, or anything else ‘evil’. We learn these things through life. They are
reactions to the life we have lead. They are the results of our choices, and the choices of others. If we open our hearts to love the murderers, the
rapists, the ‘evils’ of the world, we would find what pain has brought them to their choices, and with love be able to heal them. It is our
choice. Shall we destroy ourselves, or grow?”
We have chosen to go down from the light world to a comparatively dark realm to live out the free will the way we wanted to. We have chosen to act,
and with it we have also chosen the consequences of our actions. That is karma. So suffering is actually allowed by us through our actions – the
suffering of our victim, if we choose such an action, and then our own suffering as a recoil through the karma. So far I agree.
The perpetrators in most cases act out of pain. To that I also agree. But what about the victims? It will be their karma, because they have before
done similar things themselves. Reincarnation, karma and free will offer a solution to the theodicy problem. Nevertheless, it is our duty to help
victims in love and to prevent as far as possible that there will be still more suffering.
If that were not so, there would be suffering WITHOUT A REASON, and that the Prime Creator God would certainly not allow.
So far about the theodicy problem on the individual human level. But in things discussed here, the theodicy problem gets another dimension. In a
cosmic dimension it becomes more difficult. When the perpetrator is not human, but one who sneaks in between humans and the Highest God and pretends
to be God, what then?
Or what do you say to this (quoted from one of my own posts above):
“The ‘lord’ guides his people to the ‘promised land’, but that land isn’t free. People already live there in various towns. Therefore the
‘lord’ commands his people to mercilessly slaughter all of them. In nearly all cases not even a child, a woman or an old man is spared, but they
should completely all be killed, so that his people can live in: ‘great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not, and houses full of all good
things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have
eaten and be full’ (Deut 6:10-11). With this, a veritable holocaust begins! In one city after the other they murder and slaughter until no one is
left. The only exception is in a few cases that they kidnap virgins. For what? It would certainly be naïve to claim that it would not be for sexual
Sure, we have chosen to be in a world where this happened. And yet we ask for an explanation of how MASS SUFFERINGS fit into all this. A higher
dimension of the problem than that of individual sufferings. Sure, we have allowed such ‘guidance’ and allowed us to follow it in all the many
holocausts that have been – no only that one and not only the one that happened half a century ago, but also holocausts of indigenous peoples in the
Americas, the slaughtering crusades and so on, not to forget more recent ones in, e.g., Africa.
So isn’t it really time that we now begin to realize the situation that we have been and are mislead by false gods (and by ruthless politicians,
too, by the way) and throw off their yokes? And turn our hearts to the Highest God, the only real one? And not only that: also towards each other…
Shouldn’t that be our next choice? For ourselves and for our brothers and sisters.
That means to not devote ourselves too much to theory. Not only to theory and especially not to a too abstract theory, but also get one foot down on
the earth and also deal with the facts down here. Otherwise it may seem like a kind of escapism from the latter, trying to avoid seeing them.
[edit on 2-9-2010 by memyself]