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Is Yahweh really the prime creator?

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posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 09:41 AM
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Thanks for your reply bogomil,

I would caution anyone to be careful to say anything is a absolute...for the moment you think you hold the truth, you close your mind off to learning new things and gaining deeper understandings of things you may already know.

I would much rather admit to being a fool that knows nothing, to admit to being wise one that knows truth.

Each person is able to accept different things, depending on what they are ready to understand in things of flesh and things of Spirit.

I would discourage anyone to just accept what I or anyone just 'says'.....for just accepting something offers no personal understanding. This is why I have so much faith in everyone has a personal path to walk. The majority does not seem ready to seek that personal path on their own for they are following other men all the time....but this is ok and shows what they are in need of and where they are in their growth. I really believe that everyone is right where they are to be...learning what they are in need of, even if they wont see what that is until after leaving the body complex.

I cherish all of Earths history, even if I dont know the absolute truths of it all. I think the stories, myths,and legends offer us alot to discern from and learn about mankind back in those days and how man was trying to make understandings of things they did not know.

I try to make sure I am placing words like 'believe' in my posts....so I dont come off as claiming what I think to be absolute truths for others. Just offering what I understand and admitting that my own understanding just as everyone else's understanding, is limited to a personal perspective.

I would claim that it is a truth that the Holy Spirit is something very real and is what makes us all 'one'....but again, I would add to that claim that to not take my word for it....seek it for your own self on your own path, find out if its a truth, on your own will and way.

My best to you
LV




posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 10:23 AM
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My friend,

I just wanted to let you know that you have a beautiful way of expressing your thoughts. The language structure is quite limited for the job, but you indeed have found a way to master it, and use it to its greatest potential.

Bless you my friend for the work that you do.

With love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 12 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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Thank you for your encouraging words. It took me a long time to feel content with sharing my thoughts and path. In knowing that sharing was something we are to do, as spiritual beings, I knew it was something I needed to become somewhat comfortable with.

As much as part of me does not want to come off as a 'disagreeing' person because I dont want others to take my voice as a debate...something within me pushes me to still come forth and speak. I cant really explain what that 'something' is.

Very kind encouragement, thank you



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:26 AM
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Reading about the Kabbalah of the great Rabbi Isaac Luria, the following came to my mind. Does he really mean the same YHWH as we generally do?

Could it be that there is a mix-up and confusion here that in the OT was obscured on purpose? In later times and OT texts one seems to have identified YHWH with ’El (’Elyon). We find two epressions for YHWH in the original text of the Bible: 1. “YHWH” (only) and 2. “YHWH ’Elohim”, in which cased ’Elohim is usually omitted in translations, which simply have “the Lord” and the like. The latter can be understood as “YHWH, one of the ’Elohim”.

So when YHWH is mentioned, it may oftentimes refer to ’El (’Elyon), identifying YHWH with him, and when the original text has YHWH ’Elohim, it may refer to one of the ’Elohim who pretends to be ’El and stole his role – or by the people is assumed to be him.

In the OT also good and benevolent sides of YHWH are mentioned, as they are certainly valid for ’El, and then one may assumed that actually the latter is rather meant. When YHWH appears as blood-thirsty and cruel, ordering people to commit genocides, this would then rather refer to YHWH ’Elohim.

This would mean that we actually have TWO YHWHs in the OT! One would be ’El confused with YHWH and the other would be one of the ’Elohim imposturing as the highest god.

Cf. en.wikipedia.org...



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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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My friend,

You seem to be a bit confused about the whole YHWH thing. It isn't a name in the Bible to begin with. It is a description. It means "I AM that I AM'. In other words when Moses asked God what name he should tell the people belonged to God, he simply said "I am that I am". In other words, I am too great for a name silly man, just go do what I said.

Its really just that simple.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:34 AM
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The vibration that connected with Moses is not the Most High vibration of all....that was not 'the nameless'.

Lower vibrations cause delusions in that they offer the 'self' what the 'self ' is wanting, not needing. Hence, we see this vibration offer things and rewards of Earth, such as power, pride, and land.

The Holy Spirit of Thee Most High and Divine is not concerned with such Earthly things nor leads man to be concerned and fight over such earthly things.

Discern all things through the Holy Spirit.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by LeoVirgo
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The vibration that connected with Moses is not the Most High vibration of all....that was not 'the nameless'.

Lower vibrations cause delusions in that they offer the 'self' what the 'self ' is wanting, not needing. Hence, we see this vibration offer things and rewards of Earth, such as power, pride, and land.

The Holy Spirit of Thee Most High and Divine is not concerned with such Earthly things nor leads man to be concerned and fight over such earthly things.

Discern all things through the Holy Spirit.


I have no disagreement with you my friend. All that you said was true. I was just pointing out the error everyone seems to be chasing, mistaken titles, for names. There is a distinct difference which seems to be confusing some.

You are correct. Had Moses been communing with the most high, he would not have had commandments to bring down from the mount, he would have had love and forgiveness.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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"...just go do what I said."
The question is, who said that - whatever we call him, name or designation ...
And if he said to go and commit a genocide ...? Back to square 1 ...

The point is that there certainly seem to be different ones - a benevolent one and a cruel one.
And that they seem to be mixed up and confused in the Bible text, apparently for political reasons. And probably not only in my mind ... since it is there to read ...

And the latter one seems to want us to believe that he is the only god ... why does he do that?

Maybe we should return to discussing these aspects.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by memyself
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"...just go do what I said."
The question is, who said that - whatever we call him, name or designation ...
And if he said to go and commit a genocide ...? Back to square 1 ...

The point is that there certainly seem to be different ones - a benevolent one and a cruel one.
And that they seem to be mixed up and confused in the Bible text, apparently for political reasons. And probably not only in my mind ... since it is there to read ...

And the latter one seems to want us to believe that he is the only god ... why does he do that?

Maybe we should return to discussing these aspects.



My friend, do you remember the old image in cartoons of the human conscience, you had an angel on one shoulder and the devil on the other?

Thus is the word of God represented in the Bible. Moses came down from the mount with the Ten Commandments. How was he described? He had two beams of light shooting from his head like horns. Who else do we describe as such?

The Bible has both love and hate in it. It has both good and evil. It is a representation of the battle between the two through out time. How do you know between the two?

Trust your own heart. That which you wouldn't do to you, do not to another. A God you would not want to be yours, do not trust.

I assume that at your very core, you want to be loved. Thus, the images of a loving God are the representations of the true God. Why? Because creation comes from love. Destruction from hate, the false God, the pretender, "Satan".

Use this Key, and you will find good and evil in EVERY religious text. The Good in them all, tell the same stories wrapped in a different language and culture.

Or, you can skip all the religious texts and trust in one phrase that sums them all up, and will resonate in your own heart.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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"Trust your own heart. That which you wouldn't do to you, do not to another. A God you would not want to be yours, do not trust. ... Because creation comes from love. Destruction from hate, the false God, the pretender, 'Satan'."

You are very right indeed. What I am concerned about, however, is all those who don't dare to trust their hearts, who don't yet understand love, who listen to false gods. Even one that appears in the Bible, besides the true God. We can judge the gods by their deeds. And now we are back to the biblical holocausts and what conclusions we are to draw from them ... generally and not only personally ... and what the consequences are for our religions.

Separate the chaff from the wheat in what we are told - that is the difficult task that some powers don't want to allow us, but they want us to listen and obey blindly. This is something for all of us to consider rather then blindly following the dictate of the dogma. But since so very many do the latter - isn't it needed to draw some attention to these things?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by memyself
You are very right indeed. What I am concerned about, however, is all those who don't dare to trust their hearts, who don't yet understand love, who listen to false gods. Even one that appears in the Bible, besides the true God. We can judge the gods by their deeds. And now we are back to the biblical holocausts and what conclusions we are to draw from them ... generally and not only personally ... and what the consequences are for our religions.

Separate the chaff from the wheat in what we are told - that is the difficult task that some powers don't want to allow us, but they want us to listen and obey blindly. This is something for all of us to consider rather then blindly following the dictate of the dogma. But since so very many do the latter - isn't it needed to draw some attention to these things?


My friend, here is the nature of your rub. You cannot separate the wheat from the chaff. That is not what you are here to do. The separating, the Judging, is for God to do. Something as great as this creation and its creator, do you presume to know why every little piece was made? Impossible for us!

Let others do what they want. You worry about you. Express you and your love, that is what influences others.

But, I am only expressing my own Truth. Forget all I have said for awhile. Go think on it and find YOUR Truth. It is as magnificent as any I possess.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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“Let others do what they want.” Let the perpetrators kill, the pedophiles abuse children, the soldiers commit genocides? There you are asking too much from me. Let them think what they want may be one thing, but not do what they want when they cause severe harm to others, whoever the others may be.

I see it as my duty to stop such doing wherever I can, and where I cannot at least to draw attention to it.

When I wrote “judge” I don’t mean to judge in the sense of, e.g., condemnation. I mean to do my best to separate the chaff from the wheat in the sense: Such a one I can accept as a god in my world, and such a one I cannot. One that orders genocide I definitely can not … one that teaches and lives indiscriminate love for all beings I certainly can.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by memyself
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“Let others do what they want.” Let the perpetrators kill, the pedophiles abuse children, the soldiers commit genocides? There you are asking too much from me. Let them think what they want may be one thing, but not do what they want when they cause severe harm to others, whoever the others may be.

I see it as my duty to stop such doing wherever I can, and where I cannot at least to draw attention to it.


Then do so my friend. But, watchful over yourself. Confronting such evil one quickly is tempted to use such evil to destroy it.

Here is my philosophy. I will not harm another, absolutely will not. Nor, will I allow another to be harmed in my presence. The only way to intercede is to be willing to take the harm myself.

Remember, the will of Man is the strongest force of Nature next to God. Everyone's is equal. You cannot change another's will with your own, only with unconditional Love.

Be safe, and may you find the Truth within you.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 04:58 PM
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I agree with you, I am all for peace, but people that run us make it hard for that to be.
If you give in you get owned, they own you and bound you, it's simple.
If someone is holding a gun at your head what do you do ? do you say "please blow my brains out"
I would say the best way to go about it if you can is to stun the agresor then go away. Put the agresor on pause then go. This with peace love and light is just it, for you to give in when you have your freedom. No one owns you, only god, you have a brain to think to feel, it's why you have it, otherwise you would not. If god wanted robots he would of made robots, but it did not want robots. It wanted the human to expiriance on it's own but without going far off. In other words if I do a good deed I do not do it because it's stated I have to but because I feel I need to, it's what makes me who I am. Computing is just a zombie until you become weaker and weaker until you give your self up. You are gone, your esense is gone and everything you were is gone. Love peace and light, peace, bliss is just it, you are gone. That is bliss, you want bliss ?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
If someone is holding a gun at your head what do you do ?


Funny you should mention this my friend. I was in this exact scenario when I was 15 years old. I managed it peacefully. It was kinda surreal looking back on it. The thought of dying never occurred to me. In hindsight, maybe I was always a bit odd, even as a kid.

Thank you for reminding me of this moment in my life. I had all but forgot about it. Amazing how extraordinary times fade into mundaneness over time.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:50 PM
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I know innocence, it's nice to have it. I don;t disregard it, we just can't be that in these times. If you lower you shield you get in trouble, get consumed into the collective, assimilated. That is off balance. Who does not like to bring their innocence into play and be happy, just wrong times. I would be awake, who knows what go's next, help people if you can but don;t give in. You see they don;'t care about your innocence, they just want to eat of you. Eat you like a lamb, you saw those creatures eating grass ? they get eaten, it's called assimilation into the collective, what you eat is what you are, you are no more. How fair is it ? Life is not fair and dath vaider is far away to make justice, around him everyone is alive, I would say he wants you to be human.


People don't get it, he likes people being alive. I adore him, supreme commander.
You see you are sleeping in bed with the snake, that is bliss.




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posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by pepsi78
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I know innocence, it's nice to have it. I don;t disregard it, we just can't be that in these times. If you lower you shield you get in trouble, get consumed into the collective, assimilated. That is off balance. Who does not like to bring their innocence into play and be happy, just wrong times. I would be awake, who knows what go's next, help people if you can but don;t give in. You see they don;'t care about your innocence, they just want to eat of you. Eat you like a lamb, you saw those creatures eating grass ? they get eaten, it's called assimilation into the collective, what you eat is what you are, you are no more. How fair is it ? Life is not fair and dath vaider is far away to make justice, around him everyone is alive. People don't get it, he likes people being alive. I adore him, supreme commander.
You see you are sleeping in bed with the snake, that is bliss.


No worries my friend, and I appreciate your concern. My love is a rebellious kind of love. It is not one of weakness and blind submission, but one of strength and fierce independence. Perhaps I am coming off a bit too mushy mushy in my posts and it is failing to convey my message.

I'll reflect on it and maybe find different words to express myself. It seems the totality of love is missing in my sentiments.

Oh, I remember what is missing. I forgot to mention, Love thy self !

Sometimes this involves walking away, sometimes running, and still other times standing ones ground till death.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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You can't get owned, that is the problem, because you have to give in at free will.
If it were me I would put an end to this insanity, end it all, we get a flood and it's gone, done.
People are like wild animals, to be free, to do what you want without disturbing others.
I can do that, I have built resistance, people will hate you for it, because either you give in or you are a wild animal.
That is not the case with me.
I don;t mind the world making this a living hell for me, it just makes me more and more human. I confine my self to this walls and enjoy it, in solitude is where I get my freedom. See the problem is desire, once you get rid of that you can live by your self. I enjoy my self alone, I'm my own company.
You first go crazy then it all makes sense to you, living and walking inside the house, thinking for your self without influence, it's a beauty. You got pictures of mountains on your computer, you get to view the outside world from your monitor. It's like in the movies only better. I laugh in the house by my self, it's good I still have me sense of humor.



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 06:44 PM
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I am with you up to the point where you stay locked in the house. I need to get outside, be with people, love people, help people. There is a world of wonder outside. God created it all for us to explore. Staying in, is giving in. And, there are so many people waiting to stand up and proudly proclaim:

I AM
King of Kings
And, I have come to reclaim my Kingdom!

It is OUR Kingdom. I will not sit idly by and let some false creation, government, religion, or money stop me from claiming it. That is the strength of my Love.

A time of tyranny is upon us. It is necessary. It will pass.

Judge not, Love All, be at peace.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Sep, 16 2010 @ 01:16 AM
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Consider this scenario:
You see a soldier with a machine gun who is going to kill a whole group of civilians. You have access to a gun and you have the opportunity to kill that soldier. You have seconds to decide before it is too late. What do you do?

Use your gun and kill him, and save all the others, or not use it and let him kill the whole group?

And if it is clear to you that if you kill the soldier and save the others, other soldiers will kill you?
Sacrifice your life for the life of all in the group? (You know, of course, that only the body can die ...)

Killing is basically a sin, but an act of omission in saving others: is that not also a sin?



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