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Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
OP, people seem to be mistaking the false left right for the true left right.
Left, Totalitarian.
Right, Anarchy.
The true Left Right in regards to the control parameters.
Left-Communist, Socialists, National Socialists, Stalinists, Maoists, etc.
Right-True Anarchists, Libertarians.
For those spouting off that those that KNOW this are stupid, it seems someone should actually apologize.
I highly doubt you will, when taught by elitists, one tends to become one.
Stick that in your Cuban and smoke it.
Just left of Anarchist myself in the Libertarian fold.
I like to say it this way, Give me LIBERTY or give me DEATH.
Originally posted by zerbot565
reply to post by Romantic_Rebel
to me it seams your mixing up separatism and anarchy very very badly and so goes for the most of you ,
Originally posted by zerbot565
how can you be left wing and an anarchist ?
i mean dosent the meaning of the two when merged change into a different TERM describing the symbios of the two like " leftwing separatist"
you can say your left wing with anarchistic tendencies but your sill left wing
your either one not both, thats bad grammar
besides as an "anarchist" you dennounce the right to citizenship and all that jazz in what ever nation on this planet you live in or go , ...
Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by NoHierarchy
Someone here used the Nolan Chart to create a better descriptor.
Let me see if I can find it.
Here it is at this thread-Modified Nolan Chart
Here is the Nolan Chart-
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And here is the authors version-
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But when only speaking left right, you are assuming only the totalitarian components, not any economic, that is designed on purpose. To get people to believe that the left are not actually totalitarian.
The LEFT has ALL the tyrants.
This was always a left-statist right-anarchist debate.
Sorry, until the invention of marxism the argument or debate has ALWAYS been the Statists vs the Anarchists.
With the change in debate, obfuscation is tempered and furthered to blur the lines to the true debate.
Sorry, no such thing as a Socialist Anarchist. THAT is a 5th column movement.
Sorry to break the false left right paradigm.
Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
OP, people seem to be mistaking the false left right for the true left right.
Left, Totalitarian.
Right, Anarchy.
The true Left Right in regards to the control parameters.
Left-Communist, Socialists, National Socialists, Stalinists, Maoists, etc.
Right-True Anarchists, Libertarians.
For those spouting off that those that KNOW this are stupid, it seems someone should actually apologize.
I highly doubt you will, when taught by elitists, one tends to become one.
Stick that in your Cuban and smoke it.
Just left of Anarchist myself in the Libertarian fold.
I like to say it this way, Give me LIBERTY or give me DEATH.
Originally posted by SM2
first you have to understand the fact that some people are thinking on two different scales. There is European left and right, being communism and fascism respectively, then there is the American left and right which is socialism and anarchy respectively. Hitler was a right wing dictator, but a European right wing dictator. In American hitler would be a Left wing dictator. Left wing in America is all about toltarianism. Obama is left, Ron Paul is right. In America, communism, socialism and fascism are all on the left. Anrachy and libertarians are the right. It is pretty impossible to a left wing anarchist, because you can't possibly believe that all forms of government are evil and against human nature, and at the same time think that government should control everything all the time.
Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by NoHierarchy
Tell me, HISTORICALLY speaking, where were the socialists, fascists and communists before they existed?
I am SPEAKING of the Historical meanings.
Yes, even the chart I found here could be construed as backing your thesis.
BUT, using even YOUR reference, let us take a LOOKY at the historical shall we?
Wiki-historical political spectrum!
On this page it goes over the spectrum of the differing ideas in regards to left right.
I myself and MANY others that speak of the general and historical meaning of left right, ARE talking about the power of government compared to the power of the people.
Statist vs Individual
or
Totalitarian vs Anarchist
I see what YOU are saying, do you even understand the contextual nature of the argument or are you being daft?