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God doesn't accept human sacrifice. Which makes Jesus invalid.

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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 06:39 PM

"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin." -Deuteronomy 24:16

How is it that God lays out this commandment and can go against it in allowing his son to be crucified for mankind's sins? Isn't this a contradiction?

The word of the Eternal came unto me again, saying, What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, saith the Eternal God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Eternal God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. [Ezekiel 18:1-4; 20-24; 26-27]

Here again we have it where no one can bear the sins of another. Also it says just turning about from evil and following God by doing right is enough to have Life.

But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering. Then shall he bring it to the priest, and the priest shall take his handful of it, even a memorial thereof, and burn it on the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the Eternal: it is a sin offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him as touching his sin that he hath sinned in one of these, and it shall be forgiven him: and the remnant shall be the priest's, as a meat offering. [Leviticus 5:11-13]

These verses above refute the claim that blood is need to atone for sins. Here God accepts a flour offering to atone for sins, proving that blood isn't needed.

And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Ninevah, by the decree of the King and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock taste anything; let them not feed nor drink water; but let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God; yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger that we perish not? And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did not do it. [Jonah 3:7-10]

Here in Jonah we have example of God forgiving the people of Nineveh of their sins when they repented. This was Old Testament times, no Jesus was needed for God for forgive them. They just stopped doing wrong.

posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 11:08 PM
Yes, because it isn't the act itself that atones, but the belief by faith that it has that makes it holy. So if you take the act away, and still have belief, then you are still forgiven and pure.

This is the mystery of the book of Daniel where it states that in the midst of the 7 years of creation I will place an abomination of desolation, which is the cross of Jesus. It became a stumbling block because people thought it meant to worship Jesus as the one who paid for their sins.

You have proven that another man cannot pay for the sins of anyone through an act or ritual sacrifice. It says, blessed is he who believes without seeing, for it is faith that saves him. If you have no evidence that a sacrifice was made, and have faith, then you have salvation.

The true second coming is when the true spirit of God lives within you without the need for someone else to be your middle man.

Why would God place an obstacle in your path to come to him? To see if you will be smart enough to pick it up and cast it aside. Only the strongest of faith can come to him by discarding the Jesus figure, for everyone has been taught for so long that one needed someone better more prepared or more learned to do this for them. God made you, so why can you not be perfect as a child? The mystery is now no longer a mystery. God loves all.

posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 02:31 AM
the same bible you just qouted also stated that a saviour would be [put to death for mandkinds sins]

so your making a contradiction out of a contradiction.

so the only explanation is that God doesn't need to do anything but chose to die on the cross because he works that way through human pain since our bodies were made for pleasure.

sin and selfishness signify what penance has to be done through pain to cancel out sin. flowers offerings won't work in this instance.

that's how God works. does it make it invalid because the op says so.

no of course not. your opinion op.

posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 06:42 AM

Originally posted by JesusisTruth

the same bible you just qouted also stated that a saviour would be [put to death for mandkinds sins]

If you read the prophecy, he should have been able to reach the age of 40 before he would have been even considered a king and fully mature man under Hebrew law and 42 years old to reach the end of the prophecy. Jesus died at 33 1/2, roughly. That is why his house was left desolate. That is the sign Daniel is describing. When you shall see the abomination that causes desolation (let the reader understand), then know that the end is near. It means that in the last days those who begin to understand Jesus purpose will know that the very last remaining days are at hand where salvation is imminent for them. Now thing about the difference in time between 33 1/2 years and 42 years. The difference being 8 1/2 years. Because the bible only states that Jesus was 'around 30 when he began his ministry', that to the best knowledge available he was 33 1/2 when he died. There could be + or - 6 months on his age and it would be valid. Now if you take those same 8 1/2 years and add + or - six months to it, you begin to see that the time is the same exact time from the marking of 9/11 until right around Sept 10th 2010, which is 9 years total. That should be the very end of all penance for the firstborn. Within the next two weeks, all the pieces should start to escalate toward Israel being at total war with all her enemies.

Now go read current events and see exactly what is being done in Israel. She is completely mounting up for all out war, no holds barred.

posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 09:35 AM
reply to post by TinFoilHatMan55
Jesus being a son of Adam was doomed from birth to die.
Being the Son of God, and having never personally served Satan in his life, he was hard to kill.
He had to have all the sins of the world placed on him to snuff out his life.
Well, bad for him, but inevitable. He chose to have his life end, at this time, to save his friends who were supposed to have leaned certain lessons from him, and he needed to distance himself physically from the people to keep them from worshiping him to the point of idolatry.
He realized he could be just as, or more, effective as a risen Christ, through spiritual means, than walking through the land mines that was laid out for him on the ground.

[edit on 1-9-2010 by jmdewey60]

posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 12:49 AM
reply to post by ben91069

Ben, could you please elaborate on your last entry. I think I understand however Im not sure where your numbers add up. We could relate that theory to other major events and say same thing as Israel has been preparing and acting on all out war for a long long time. God never wanted blood sacrifices, in my opinion it was the Lord God who wanted blood sacrifices. and the Lord God was possibly a figment of Moses imagination as he was the only one who ever saw him or a dark god communicating to Moses, note: no-one has ever seen God, however Moses saw and spoke to the Lord God a number of times.

[edit on 2-9-2010 by flashesofblue]

posted on Sep, 2 2010 @ 11:02 PM
You are right, God does not accept human sacrifice, but Jesus wasn't fully human, this is where you err.

He is the only begotten son of God. The Word made flesh, the Lamb of God.

You are right again in saying all you need is to repent and turn from wickedness.

So repent already.

posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 07:50 AM
reply to post by TinFoilHatMan55

There are defiantly contradictions and I dont think Jesus wanted to be tied to a book like he has been.

I find the idea that humans must believe a man had to die to be one of the darkest tricks upon the minds of men. Accepting such a thing places blood on their hands too...

Jesus said "pick up your own cross and follow"

But I also dont think Gods plan ever involved man to follow other men to learn the word of God. God knows that men are deceivers....but is relying on us to place faith in mankind to tell us about God?

makes no sense.

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