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posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 07:28 AM
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due to circumstances under his watch, bush had to create some depts.


it exploded with obama.


tea party started a year after obama with all the programs and bails he implemented.

besides the wacko holder suing states for trying to enforce the fed law.

pisses people off.

now, look at it like this. we go from bush's bs to obama's bs.

we a punching bag?

tea's are fed up and obama happens to be the straw.




posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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First off, I really dont under stand what exactly your getting at here. This thread may be better suited in the rant section. However, you talk of unity yet you categorize people, as tea partiers, left, and right. Calling the lefts cowards and the right extremists. Your post is quite naive quite seemingly that you bought into the propaganda that is spewed daily.

Labels. Labeling people this or that, right, left, tea party, extremist or radicals. All are nothing but propagandist tools to discredit anyone politically affiliated.

Stick to the Constitution and embrace the same attitude and policies of the forefathers and the only label you will bare is that of an American Patriot. The only label you should be concerned with is just that. You are either an American Patriot or not. Other labels are not necessary.


[edit on 30-8-2010 by AzoriaCorp]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by fooks
due to circumstances under his watch, bush had to create some depts.


You mean starting two foreign wars and creating a giant tax cut for the wealthiest 1% of the population?
He went from having one of the few budget surpluses in US history to having a deficit. Bush expanded debt while preaching for fiscal conservatism. He had absolutely no reason to plunge this country into debt at all.



it exploded with obama.


tea party started a year after obama with all the programs and bails he implemented.


You mean Bush's bailouts? Like TARP? Which was signed into law in on October 3, 2008? Before Obama was even elected?

Obama was handled a pile of fecal material for a federal budget. Bush basically created a situation where you either had to spend more money or the country would collapse.



besides the wacko holder suing states for trying to enforce the fed law.


You mean that state that says it's ok to tell people with brown skin "show me your papers". Yeah, that's upholding federal law. Oh, wait, it's actually violating equal protection under the law.



pisses people off.

now, look at it like this. we go from bush's bs to obama's bs.

we a punching bag?


No, clearly nobody is saying we are nor are they showing that we are. And, to be honest, I'd rather refrain from such faux macho sentiment. It's quite distasteful and frankly unnecessary in political discourse.



tea's are fed up and obama happens to be the straw.


Obama, if anything, has been a large improvement from Bush. He's trying to reinstate a reasonable tax rate, one that would still be lower than the one we had under Reagan, to balance out the budget. He's trying to regulate the financial markets, and he had to deal with the worst ecological disaster of the last decade. The man was handed one of the worst situations possible, and he seems to be doing his best.

edit to fix quote mistake

[edit on 8/30/10 by madnessinmysoul]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
 


First off, I really dont under stand what exactly your getting at here. This thread may be better suited in the rant section.


Except that this is no rant, and I've actually been receiving quite positive reactions for it.



However, you talk of unity yet you categorize people, as tea partiers, left, and right.


We are categories of people, there is no avoiding that. We need to acknowledge it and move on because those categories are a loose definition at best that groups us with similar people. But each category is ultimately contained within a broader category. left/right are both Americans and all Americans are humans.



Calling the lefts cowards and the right extremists. Your post is quite naive quite seemingly that you bought into the propaganda that is spewed daily.


I love how I can be insulted and called naive, accused of buying into propaganda and all without my post being addressed in the slightest.

It's not naive at all. I'm quite realistic. Naive would be 'there are no categories'



Labels. Labeling people this or that, right, left, tea party, extremist or radicals. All are nothing but propagandist tools to discredit anyone politically affiliated.


Except that labels are often self applied. A label is necessary in discourse, you need to label your positions. Now who's being naive?



Stick to the Constitution and embrace the same attitude and policies of the forefathers and the only label you will bare is that of an American Patriot.


Now, I'm going to say something that is possibly unpopular. Screw the attitudes of my forefathers. They didn't have a problem with slavery and were quite bigoted towards the Irish and Germans as well as their slaves. They were men, they were flawed. Our Constitution has had 27 major changes (2 of them sort of cancel each other out though) because they weren't perfect. There is frankly need for at least one more amendment to defend people based on their sexual preferences.



Then at that point, you are either an American Patriot or not. Other labels are not necessary.


So instead of moving into a multifaceted and complex view of things you'd prefer an 'us or them'?
That's too simplistic and far too childish for me.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 08:03 AM
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ya dude, you are way too smart.


"So instead of moving into a multifaceted and complex view of things you'd prefer an 'us or them'?
That's too simplistic and far too childish for me."


why so complicated?

bho has divided this country like no other.

maybe you be better off in college.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by fooks
ya dude, you are way too smart.


You say that like it's a bad thing



"So instead of moving into a multifaceted and complex view of things you'd prefer an 'us or them'?
That's too simplistic and far too childish for me."


why so complicated?


The English language is complicated and so are the issues we're dealing with.



bho has divided this country like no other.


No, Fox News and the media in general have been the dividing force lately. I think as an individual Bush divided more people from day one. He even managed to lose the near full support of the country following September 11



maybe you be better off in college.


I am in college, maybe you'd be better off educating yourself a bit more if you're finding the level of discussion too high.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 08:48 AM
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Except that this is no rant, and I've actually been receiving quite positive reactions for it.

Just because people agree with your rant doesnt mean its not a rant.

The title implies a rant in itself.



We are categories of people, there is no avoiding that. We need to acknowledge it and move on because those categories are a loose definition at best that groups us with similar people. But each category is ultimately contained within a broader category. left/right are both Americans and all Americans are humans.


Political organizations and political parties are now just illusions to get people to buy into a lie that they have a choice. Its all merely propaganda to "take sides" and conflict with their fellow countrymen in which people begin to argue over party affiliations more than actual issues. Its a distraction and merely a game which reflects that of rerun of Wrestlemania than that of a government of a democratic republic.



I love how I can be insulted and called naive, accused of buying into propaganda and all without my post being addressed in the slightest.


They weren't meant to be insults. More of a suggestion that you may be misguided. Apologies are in order if that is how you took it.


Except that labels are often self applied. A label is necessary in discourse, you need to label your positions. Now who's being naive?


Yes you need to state your position on issues and policies but you are addressing political parties and their affiliations by labeling those parties as extremists or cowards and so forth. Your "position" or political views should ALL be backed by the Constitution and its intent. As you said, labels are necessary in discourse, (conflict) which is the problem. People are more focused on the discourse than the actual issues at hand.


Now, I'm going to say something that is possibly unpopular. Screw the attitudes of my forefathers. They didn't have a problem with slavery and were quite bigoted towards the Irish and Germans as well as their slaves. They were men, they were flawed. Our Constitution has had 27 major changes (2 of them sort of cancel each other out though) because they weren't perfect. There is frankly need for at least one more amendment to defend people based on their sexual preferences.


Now your dragging racism and bigotry into the equation and if that is how your going to back your argument then I will leave the discussion. Yes they were flawed but it takes real men to realize these flaws and correct them. And over time, they did.


So instead of moving into a multifaceted and complex view of things you'd prefer an 'us or them'?
That's too simplistic and far too childish for me.


There you go again with labels. "us or them" mentality. You should not be concerned with the simple sake of argument, it should be focused on a compromise and solution. Americans should focus RESOLVING issues and conflicts on policies based off traditional American values and Constitutional law. Meaning American Patriot or not, it doesnt imply a "us or them" mentality, but it implies that you are either working to enforce and protect American Constitutional interests or you are working for your own personal agenda. Whether that agenda is good or bad.



[edit on 30-8-2010 by AzoriaCorp]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by ljtg123
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
 


I am not a member of the tea party so I am unsure what they have done that is hacking people off. It seems like the tea party people are doing exactly what you are suggesting. Am I wrong?


If libs/dems want someone to blame for rise of the so-called tea party movement, they only need to look in the mirror.

When you add the vitriolic attacks for years on Bush and every other conservative to shoving the current socialist agenda down everyone's throat using any slimy, back door means possible, you can expect to see a backlash.

You're seeing it ...




posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by ljtg123
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
 


I am not a member of the tea party so I am unsure what they have done that is hacking people off. It seems like the tea party people are doing exactly what you are suggesting. Am I wrong?


If libs/dems want someone to blame for rise of the so-called tea party movement, they only need to look in the mirror.

When you add the vitriolic attacks for years on Bush and every other conservative to shoving the current socialist agenda down everyone's throat using any slimy, back door means possible, you can expect to see a backlash.

You're seeing it ...



Gee, well I think if they had sack they would blame themselves...

Ya, for abandoning their "Conservative" principles and looking the other way for eight years while the economy was actively destroyed due to a trillion plus war package,
a trillion dollar Corporate tax give away, $6.00 gasoline, TARP, etc... You guys don't have the fortitude to look in the mirror at the mismanagement and corruption you cheered on for eight years. The TEA party is a method to wash away the sin, rinse away any RESPONSIBILITY and exclaim rehabilitation.

So don't feed us your crap - we are not retarded, I saw how this all went down, history saw how it all went down and history will not reflect the distorted view you present.





[edit on 30-8-2010 by Janky Red]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

So don't feed us your crap - we are not retarded, I saw how this all went down, history saw how it all went down and history will not reflect the distorted view you present.





Pay attention (a little better this time).

The tea party movement is all about the reaction from being fed YOUR crap - assuming you believe and support everything that has happened since obama was elected.

No one said you are retarded. Name calling is reserved for use by libs/dems. I prefer the word "misguided". Poll after poll says that people with your beliefs are clearly in the minority. November will prove that to you. Then what will you do?

[edit on 8/30/2010 by centurion1211]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:30 PM
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Let me also point out that IMO most conservatives were also not happy with "big government conservatism" as practiced by Bush and the democrat controlled congress during his 2nd term. IMO the tea party movement repudiates that as well.

Last, how are things in "Mother Russia?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Janky Red

So don't feed us your crap - we are not retarded, I saw how this all went down, history saw how it all went down and history will not reflect the distorted view you present.





Pay attention (a little better this time).

The tea party movement is all about the reaction from being fed YOUR crap - assuming you believe and support everything that has happened since obama was elected.

No one said you are retarded. Name calling is reserved for use by libs/dems. I prefer the word "misguided". Poll after poll says that people with your beliefs are clearly in the minority. November will prove that to you. Then what will you do?

[edit on 8/30/2010 by centurion1211]



Its really pointless with you because your love for Bush, party and ideology make it too
difficult for you to look at things squarely. Your pompous pride may serve your ideology and party, but it is also tantamount to hatred for you nation. Disburse the blame, deny the historic record and talk as if what you deny never happened how it happened.

Obama is not a good president, Obama is Bush in policy, I wish you guys did get Mccain and the mental midget in as it would have been the historical final flush. But due to people like you and the ease in which you are manipulated by a T.V station this continues... The rebranding marketing campaign has worked!!!

All of this will not change the historical record or the history books,,, unless you guys
get smart and decide to burn books


The TP was created as a way to cover up the fact that the TP members and leaders helped create that which they now preach against.

It is no different than a murderer be saved once he finds JESUS, the TP manufactured their jesus and prays on the religious like yourself (not that you mind)

So I don't really care if the TP takes over Washington in November, its the GOP repackaged, what so different about that??? Because you guys had a more GRAND and Dramatic make believe session???


PLEEEEAAASE


The TP is a Ron Paul movement stolen and co opted by neocons, "this grass root movement is brought to you by Burger King"


cheese burger

Enjoy Washington there Jefferson, show them how to direct an economy ->

In to the pockets of the elites


P.S PSSSSST if you guys pander to your wingnuts too much, you might being crying come Nov, probably due to the fact that the failure under the new coat of paint is still there, but what do I know?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by centurion1211
 


Let me also point out that IMO most conservatives were also not happy with "big government conservatism" as practiced by Bush and the democrat controlled congress during his 2nd term. IMO the tea party movement repudiates that as well.

Last, how are things in "Mother Russia?



His, 2nd term


again lying to yourself will not change the facts, it just won't


This all began under Ronald the Reagan, but that might make you sad...

Russia's great!!!

I burn flag and eating bald eagle breast everyday!



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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ok that link just took me to search results.

I went through a bunch so You dont have to. This video here is a real gem. It spotlights fox news discussing george bush as one of the most brilliant Speech givers and that if Lincoln was alive he would be taking notes. Oh geez this clip is great check it out. If anyone is ahving a bad day this will sure get you some laughs.

George Bush the greatest man Ever Part 1
George Bush the greatest man Ever Part 2



[edit on 30-8-2010 by tigpoppa]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

Russia's great!!!

I burn flag and eating bald eagle breast everyday!



Then our conversation is over.

Your comments and opinions are irrelevant to us here in the U.S., as you are most likely clueless as to what goes on here.

Also understand your feelings about Reagan. No doubt you blame him for finishing off what was left of the soviet union. I know I do!


Last, don't choke on the bones ...




posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Janky Red

Russia's great!!!

I burn flag and eating bald eagle breast everyday!



Then our conversation is over.

Your comments and opinions are irrelevant to us here in the U.S., as you are most likely clueless as to what goes on here.

Also understand your feelings about Reagan. No doubt you blame him for finishing off what was left of the soviet union. I know I do!


Last, don't choke on the bones ...





god man you are so intellectually inclined my location has instilled the xenophobia
which motivated my farcical locale in the first place. I appreciate the gift and shall not
fret as I launch a more productive discussion with my bearded, dark toned, fundi friends over here, we are trying on our new uniforms, priming our AK's and are waiting for our convoy


And remember, while our boys die in Afghanistan, don't choke on the bones, Reagan
gift wrapped box of bones keeps on giving, enjoy



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Janky Red

And remember, while our boys die in Afghanistan, don't choke on the bones, Reagan
gift wrapped box of bones keeps on giving, enjoy


Uh, "your boys" already died in afghanistan - back in the 1980's.

Sorry, if you hadn't been told ...



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Janky Red

And remember, while our boys die in Afghanistan, don't choke on the bones, Reagan
gift wrapped box of bones keeps on giving, enjoy


Uh, "your boys" already died in afghanistan - back in the 1980's.

Sorry, if you hadn't been told ...



Oh you mean the Mujahideen and Islamic fundies that Reagan armed and trained with U.S tax payer money to fight the Reds back in the 80's?

Oh you mean the same people we are fighting today,,, the same people that are killing our soldiers today?




The Soviet war in Afghanistan was an almost ten-year conflict involving the Soviet Union, supporting the Marxist-Leninist government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan at their own request against the Mujahideen Resistance when on December 27, 1979, 700 Soviet troops dressed in Afghan uniforms, including KGB and GRU special force officers from the Alpha Group and Zenith Group, occupied major governmental, military and media buildings in Kabul, including their primary target - the Tajbeg Presidential Palace. The mujahideen found other support from a variety of sources including the United States , United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt and other Muslim nations through the context of the Cold War.


en.wikipedia.org...

Nice bones Ronny, God Blessem

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Janky Red]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by tigpoppa
ok that link just took me to search results.

I went through a bunch so You dont have to. This video here is a real gem. It spotlights fox news discussing george bush as one of the most brilliant Speech givers and that if Lincoln was alive he would be taking notes. Oh geez this clip is great check it out. If anyone is ahving a bad day this will sure get you some laughs.

George Bush the greatest man Ever Part 1
George Bush the greatest man Ever Part 2



[edit on 30-8-2010 by tigpoppa]








posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 05:15 PM
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I have a fine stretch of words to add to this, today ...


We the People have proven over and over in recent history that we are a force beyond the control of these New World order and neo-con empire builders. We stopped their amnesty for illegal aliens cold in it's tracks not once but several times in 2008, and we have held the line on many other issues.

We will now take back our county and country from these power hungry socialist criminals in government, and we will do it without violence using the lawful tools at our disposal as enumerated in the Supreme law of the land, the Constitutions for the United States and the Sovereign State of Montana.

To that end we have started a local grass roots group of activist citizens who meet to discuss these issues then work to spread the word to their neighbors and friends. That action will nullify the main stream media brainwashing and control by identifying the real terrorists in our country and county.

That is right, the government in Washington, District of Criminals, is terrorizing We the People with threats against our freedoms including the threat to take away all our guns, steal our retirement accounts, devalue our currency, end our freedom of speech, and tax us into oblivion. The "federal government" is being backed up by mainstream media, who are also guilty of the fraud being perpetrated by government entities and private corporations like the Federal Reserve. All of these are guilty of plundering We the People under the color of law. They are guilty of the crime of fraud, when they represent their actions as lawful and official.

We intend to bring them to justice by first of all, exposing their crimes to the public, throwing them out of office where applicable, then by prosecuting them for their crimes.

We are FOR good government, for the rule of law, for the administration of justice, and very much against the rule of men, corruption in high places, and the building of a police state in America. We are for freedom, liberty, and the Bill of Rights. We are for the Constitutional Republic form of government given us by our founding fathers. We are against democracies, because they always deteriorate into a mob rule and then an oligarchic rule of the few. ...


Say on, say on


www.lincolncountywatch.org...



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