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War for oil!!! Where is the outrage?

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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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During the 1960’s America decided that military action was required in Vietnam to prevent the spread of communism. It was decided that, through the use of military force, one country should be allowed to impose its cultural and political beliefs on another. China and Russia influencing the North and America influencing the south.

The slaughter of innocence was wide spread. Entire villages burned, children bombed, mass murder committed by both sides.

One of the factors that America had failed to see was the power, belief and will of its own people. For this was to be the first truly televised war. Images beamed into the average Americans home was met with a feeling of revulsion... Americans united in protest. They sang songs, they marched, they protested, they screamed from the rooftops that this war was unacceptable. America had decided that the cost of stopping the spread of communism, in this region, was too high. A communist Vietnam did not pose a direct threat to America so why was America going to send its son and daughters to bomb peasants in a far away land and risk their lives?







With regards to Vietnam TPTB had lost the battle for popular opinion. They lost the battle for the hearts and minds of the people. It was a mistake that they would not make again on such a large scale.




The next major war in history would not be fault over political ideology. The next major war would be fought over resources. However, American politicians would not be making the same mistakes again... For a war to be fought in the future the government would need the will of the people and a tangible, visible, direct threat!! The only other option was to fight in a far more concealed manner using deception, intelligence and counter intelligence.


Both Russia and America realised, very early, that their personal oil reserves would not outlast that of the Middle East. The vast amounts of oil under the desert sands would see the beginnings of the next struggle.

America established its first strategic foothold in the region by ensuring the co-operation of Iraq’s direct neighbour, Turkey!

Russia already had a strong foothold in the area, in the form of Afghanistan. For many years Russia had provided economic and military assistance to the Afghan government. However, there was a growing movement of resistance in Afghanistan. In 1979 Russia initiated the full scale invasion of Afghanistan to combat this.

America seized on this opportunity. CIA operatives were despatched to the area to help train, and fund, the resistance movement of Mujahideen fighters. Soon weapons, ammo and training was reaching these fighters giving them legitimacy as a fighting force.

Just like America in Vietnam, Russia now had its nose bloodied by a militarily inferior force. When the Russians eventually pulled out of Afghanistan the country’s infrastructure was decimated. American funding stopped and the Afghans were left with the mess. The Mujahideen now had control of Afghanistan!



TPTB would have us believe that Afghanistan has always been a disorganised country of warring tribes people. Although there is an element of truth in this, it is not the entire picture. Afghanistan was a flourishing country. The once thriving metropolis of Kabul was left, after the Soviet withdrawal, a dustbowl of ruins run by a small group of religious extremists who had seized power and controlled everything!


Kabul 1978









In 1990 another Middle East country, Iraq, decided to invade the oil rich nation of Kuwait. This was a purely politically motivated power grab by Saddam Husain. After 10 years of war with its neighbour (Iran) Iraq was almost bankrupt. Owing millions of dollars to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, Saddam Husain decided to eliminate one of the depts. Accusing Kuwait of slant drilling into Iraq the invasion began. America and its Allies responded in full force. In just a few short months America and her Allies made short work of the Iraqi military. Kicking the Iraqi forces out of Kuwait gave America another advantage in the region. Another foothold and another indebted nation!

Many were calling for a complete invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Husain. But the American politicians had learnt from Vietnam. Without a tangible direct threat to America a full scale War in this region would not be welcomed, no matter how much they desired it.

On September 11th 2001 2,996 people were killed as 2 planes were deliberately flown into the world trade centre. Another plane hit the pentagon with a fourth plane crashing rural Pennsylvania!

Since this tragic day people have argued over the cause of 911.

Some believing that the US government is indirectly responsible... America trained and armed the Mujahideen to fight guerrilla style tactics against the Russians. When Russia pulled out of Afghanistan America withdrew all funding leaving the country in the hands of the Mujahideen who eventually mutated into Al Qaeda!

Others believe that the attacks were completely orchestrated and carried out by the US Government... a false flag attack against itself as a way to rush through new laws designed to erode freedoms and justify war.

While the majority laid the blame squarely at the door of Islam... describing it as a religion of hate fuelled fanatic’s hell bent of the takeover of western society.

Whatever you may believe... September the 11th 2001 was the Tangible and visible threat required to justify the full scale invasion of the Middle East which had been desired by the political elite for so long. With the rallying call of “American people, we are going to war” America, and her allies, whooped and cheered as the war machine geared up!

In the months and years that followed TPTB ensured that public opinion was behind them by keeping the fear level high. Daily news bulletins of alerts and threats...

“Washington today had its threat level increased to purple as security analysts predicted an increase risk of terror attack”

People, not even knowing what “purple alert” means would be waving their fists in protest of these “pesky Muslims”

Phrases such as "imminent attack" and "war on terror" thrown around daily to provoke an emotional response and influence opinions.





Suddenly the media was starting to “care” about human right violations in the Middle East. Honour killings, arranged marriages, women being forced to cover their faces, any negative aspect of Middle East life that could be associated with Islam, highlighted and discussed with disgust!

Issues that, in a pre-911 world, no one cared about or had an interest in, have now become the “concerns” of millions. Often used as an excuse to berate or belittle the Middle East and its people. The more we highlight these negative aspects, the more we make the people of the Middle East look barbaric and backwards, the more we dehumanise them... the easier it becomes to justify our own barbarity and war mongering in this region!!


Once 911 had occurred, the precious resource of this region (oil) could be monopolised by America and her Allies. This had begun with the key strategic ally of Turkey. Then the debt owed by Kuwait. The occupation of Afghanistan. And the invasion of Iraq!

However you may look at it... whatever you may think... the conflicts in this area, involving external forces, have very little to do with the facade of protecting us from terror and everything to do with our thirst for oil!!

The Middle East has had no “Times are a changing” or “Fortunate son” and while we have seen some protests it is nothing compared to marches, concerts, protests and anger seen in the 1960’s and 70’s.

This generation has experienced carpet bombing and sniper headshots in the comfort of their bedrooms on X-Box’s and PS3’s throughout their childhood. Is it any wonder that they are not shocked or disgusted by war crimes?

This generation has been taught that killing if fun... and that strange, evil eyed, men with headscarf’s in faraway lands deserve to die.

There was a time when America united against war... A time when people marched against oppression and supported civil rights. A time when people could see the difference between right and wrong.

We now have a generation of people who are simply the victim of a con! They have swallowed the corporate materialistic bate and are now hooked on the line of self indulgence and self centred thinking. Instead of being proud of the people who fought for freedoms we are proud of the people who seek to oppress them.


Peace





[edit on 29-8-2010 by Muckster]




posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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If most Americans knew the consequences to their entire economy and global status by not having the petro dollar dominate the world then i think they would support false wars to keep the dollar top dog if im being honest. Americans and many other countries citizens in the west(uk mostly) are a lost people, our arrogance and decadence is going to be our downfall...we can only hope the rest of the world doesn't get dragged down in our frantic efforts to stop it.

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Solomons]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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I agree... The main problem we have is one of "world issues apathy"

Since the Vietnam War people have been encouraged to think inwards instead of outwards.

People are far more concerned about the "small" things that affect them personally than the "big" things that affect the world. People have also been desensitised to violence through the use of film, music and computer games. People are having the ability to empathise eroded making it far easier for governments to conduct their wars in foreign lands.

If people don’t care what goes on abroad... What is left that can stop the government from waging these wars??



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Better question, where is the oil? We are not getting oil from Iraq or Afghanistan. The fighting there has nothing to do with oil.

(source - veteran and wife of deployed soldier)

Facts only, please.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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Then Iran must be next....

No question.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:06 AM
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Very well written and organised piece from you I must say. *Applause*

Where is the oil? Once Afghanistand and Iraq had been pacified and paid with blood by our courageous soldiers, the other arm of US - the Corporations, through international cabals and consortiums- will moved in with the authorisation keyword of Globalisation to squeeze those countries dry from their resources.

While the rich elites and their progenies, toadies toast each other on their success and duplicities, the common masses' mothers, wives and sisters weep over the spilling of blood from both victor and the vanquished whom died on foriegn lands. And the masses are still paying top dollar, not reduced dollar for everything else, as well as the debts.

How much dumbed down had we common masses fallen......



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:08 AM
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People tend to forget Kosovo this is where the military learnt its new methodologies of dealing with the media,where the media is assembled and given video of Roger Ramjet putting a bomb through a window and other precision attacks what your not told is that for every one of those clips there were others that weren't so precision some tomahawks and munitions even flew over the borders into other countries,but this is where the military learnt to keep its cards close to its chest and feed the media,with the Gulf Wars this was further developed by 'embedding' reporters with rules as to what they can or cant report.

In Vietnam and Cambodia there were independant reporters that operated outside the major networks who could get their stories on television and they weren't censored you saw what a B52 strike could do,or you'd see the wounded holding their guts in....everything now is so sanitised you dont see the truth but the blast radius and collateral damage on a 1000lb bomb is still enormous.The real reason there is no aversion to these wars is that people no longer see war up close and personal in the media.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:21 AM
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It's about keeping the petro dollar dominant and stable in the world, not about getting cheaper oil for Americans etc Saddam made a few mistakes, first he wasn't saying how high when America said jump, and he also started selling in euro's. America could care less what he got up to up until then..massacre civilians, produce biological weapons etc etc

Oh but you are right, the big target is Iran...

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Solomons]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Better question, where is the oil? We are not getting oil from Iraq or Afghanistan. The fighting there has nothing to do with oil.

(source - veteran and wife of deployed soldier)

Facts only, please.


BP Profits first quarter - 5.60 BILLION

Chevron Profits - 18.7 BILLION in '06

ExxonMobil Profits - 90.4 BILLION

Royal Dutch Shell Profits - 92.5 BILLION

Follow the money.

[edit on 30/8/2010 by serbsta]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:38 AM
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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Better question, where is the oil? We are not getting oil from Iraq or Afghanistan. The fighting there has nothing to do with oil.

(source - veteran and wife of deployed soldier)

Facts only, please.



Ok...

First...

Kuwait Helps Bankroll U.S. Debt

And who owes Kuwait money?? Oh yeah... Iraq...

Iraq Debt to Kuwait

How is Iraq going to repay all that debt?

Iraq's oil deals, signed and still to come

As Serbsta just said... "follow the money"



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 06:02 PM
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So, foreign owned companies have been gobbling up the contracts. Hmm, and how does that directly equate to the US government making profit? If the US wanted to lower costs for our consumption needs, we probably wouldn't have imposed such strict sanctions on Iraq over the years.

The US certainly didn't invade Iraq for WMD, and it certainly didn't do so for oil. 'Strategy' is a word lost to many on these forums.

[edit on 31-8-2010 by Gainsayer]



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 10:30 PM
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I am so deeply shocked and stunned by your post.

Then I realized that you had just joined, so ignorance isn't a bad thing, as some say ignorance of the unawakened is bliss.

But if you can ever just spare one tiny weenie bit of moment to spare - just ask yourself honestly, and research the facts - who owns the US govt?

Give you a clue:- I dont have the exact details on my hands now, nor should I be influencing you in the direction of your personal journey of awakeness, but a lady Rothschild from the wealthiest family on Earth, did publically mentioned something to the effect that she doesn't mind who gets elected, so long as she and her kind controls the money.

Good luck on your quest, should you decide you no longer want to live with lies..



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 11:03 PM
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Ah yes, another enlightened conspiracist privvy to information most of us couldn't comprehend.

You might want to check out your blinds for the 300th time today, I thought I heard the MiB sneaking up on you.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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So, foreign owned companies have been gobbling up the contracts. Hmm, and how does that directly equate to the US government making profit?


See the post above your one where i explain about Kuwait bankrolling US debt.




If the US wanted to lower costs for our consumption needs, we probably wouldn't have imposed such strict sanctions on Iraq over the years.



You really think that the US government is worried about making life easier for you?




The US certainly didn't invade Iraq for WMD, and it certainly didn't do so for oil. 'Strategy' is a word lost to many on these forums.



So... does this Strategy have a purpose?? or is it just Strategy for the sake of Strategy.

I propose that the current foreign strategy has a goal, and that goal is to secure resources... in this case... OIL!!

peace



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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whatever it may be wrapped in, war is only for one thing, money

Also, it serves as the bit in the jaw of the organism of humanity, war is the rudder that steers our galley. Lumbering onwards towards those terrific forms, the obelisks of able realization.

[edit on 1-9-2010 by depth om]



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 01:31 PM
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If the US was feverishly worried about it's oil supplies we'd probably be raping our wilderness at a lower cost of life and resources.

If you cannot see the strategy in removing a destabilizing regime from an already volatile region, in turn providing valuable bases and airfields, then I don't know what to say.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 02:37 PM
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If the US was feverishly worried about it's oil supplies we'd probably be raping our wilderness at a lower cost of life and resources.



But at a greater cost to public opinion!





If you cannot see the strategy in removing a destabilizing regime from an already volatile region, in turn providing valuable bases and airfields, then I don't know what to say.


There are many regimes in the world that are just as bad, and some far worse, than the one that ran Iraq. If you cannot see any other motive for removing Saddam than some patriotic teary-eyed notion of "America, world police" then i too do not know what to say!



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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How very presumptuous of you. "patriotic, teary-eyed blah blah" Oh really? I suppose you know my political opinions very well to make such a statement.

At the cost of public opinion?! You seriously believe that public opinion would be more in favor for a war for oil (which clearly most of this country gets spoonfed by people like you) instead of utilizing our own natural resources at the cost of wildlife? Ridiculous, to say the least.

Indeed, there are many other regimes across the world probably worse than Saddam's was, but Iraq was distinctly unique. Having already been in conflict with them, Iraq's location in the middle of the most volatile region in the world, and their repeated violation of UN resolutions at the cost of their own people, are the prime reasons for Iraq to be singled out.

Perhaps if you had any idea how vast and overwhelming the effort to restore Iraq was, instead of reading articles and numbers on a computer, you wouldn't believe in such conspiratorial rubbish. However, you don't have any clue, and pick and choose which facts to believe that suit your twisted, paranoid little belief. Oil....yes. Clearly war for oil.

(Because it wouldn't have been so much easier to just have Saddam assassinated and hope for a more negotiable successor for more oil production. It wouldn't have been easier just to prop up the other countries in the region financially to increase oil production, or any of the other million options better suited to making money off oil than outright invasion and reconstruction.
)

[edit on 1-9-2010 by Gainsayer]



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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America didn't give a damn when he was breaking UN resolutions left right and center for years as long as the oil kept pumping, he danced to their merry little tune and kept the petro dollar stable...they don't even care about Israel breaking more UN resolutions than ANY country in the world....in fact America rewards them by giving them more aid than any other country and using their veto at the UN. When it became known to the international community that Saddam gassed the kurds, America wrote a bill to stop selling him weapons.....the bill was thrown out. Don't try and peddle your crap on here, your nonsense won't wash with ATS members! oil and strategic importance were the only reasons for the invasion. Simple as that.
No moral crusade against the evil iraqi regime...honestly.
Oh and rebuilding Iraq by flying in private contractors? we all know the story about the great privatization of Iraq...the question is, do you?

[edit on 1-9-2010 by Solomons]



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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Err... You do realise that this is a conspiracy website???

You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about conspiracy beliefs... if that’s the case, you’re at the wrong site mate!

regarding the rest of what you say...



having already been in conflict with them



Yeah why do you think that was?? Because America love the people of Kuwait??? LOL




repeated violation of UN resolutions at the cost of their own people, are the prime reasons for Iraq to be singled out


Oh please... because North Korea hasn’t violated anything have they? And i suppose Zimbabwe are leaders in human rights!! What about Iran?? Or Libya’s alleged involvement in Lockerbie???




Perhaps if you had any idea how vast and overwhelming the effort to restore Iraq was, instead of reading articles and numbers on a computer, you wouldn't believe in such conspiratorial rubbish.


Reading articles? Numbers on computers? What you mean the usual places people get information from... well excuse me!!

Seriously... you come onto this thread and do not offer any tangible evidence, show any research, or provide any statistics... Instead you offer a short opinionated personal take on events in a sarcastic tone... and then expect people to simply believe your word.

And those that don’t you label as “paranoid conspiracist”
Maybe in your eyes people like me do seem paranoid... and maybe in my eyes people like you seem naive... guess we will just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Peace



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