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Erekat: Israeli religious figure urging genocide of Palestinians

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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by dubiousone
When will we stop referring to those pulling the strings with vague labels like "the Military Industrialists, the Oil Companies and the Bankers"? We need to start naming names. Nothing will change until the individuals who hide behind these vague labels are exposed. They have no incentive to change unless and until they face PERSONAL consequences for their decisions and conduct.


Sounds like a good research project. You should get a hold of ADVISOR and start this up. I'd be interested in this.


Here is the problem in a nut shell we could start naming names, but...some of those names are going to be some very high profile people, and some of them involved in public life.

As a result many people are going to demand a level of proof that is frankly extremely hard to come by.

While many other people involved in left/right politics are simply going to say that these are smear campaigns without any merit and a product of sour grapes or desperation.

In fact many of the most important names have been named over and over again.

Yet with a nation deeply divided as well as constantly distracted by superficial media manipulations gaining the traction to demand official investigations is not going to happen.

Even if it were to happen, because the heads of those departments who will be tasked with investigating these things are political appointees what you are going to end up with is white washes or some low down on the totem pole sacrificial lamb offered up.

It is going to take some incredible and intrepid independent investigators who are well funded and skilled to uncover the evidence on the names that are often named, as well as other names, and then, then on top of that, they are probably going to have to break major laws in acquiring this evidence that is going to make much of it inadmissible in a court of law, on procedural grounds, with a complicit news media basically portraying these types of investigators as rouge criminals and domestic terrorists.

I sure can appreciate the level of frustration that so many of us feel in regards to what is a stone wall often thrown up by politicians and political appointees and the media that have long ago been bought and paid for and corrupted by the people who are in fact often named.

Yet the bulk of the general public is in denial about these things, likens those mentioning those names to either wacky conspiracy theorists, or people with sour grapes and political axes to grind.

A lot of us know who some of the most important players are, but sadly being in possession of information alone isn’t an end all be all itself. Without the ability to put it to use in actionable ways it is basically worthless.

The system we rely on to protect us from these people and machinations has long been broken and far too many of us have long been in denial about that. The bulk of Americans are too sensitive and insecure to admit what is an utter failure on a national level, without taking it to heart personally them selves. The bulk of Americans still want to cling to the illusion that the broken and corrupted system is basically working and will work as intended once the right left/right politicians are installed in power, and would prefer to argue about those political personalities and parties instead of the real national debate on the absolutely ruinous state our nation and the world has fallen into because of the people that many have named time and time again.

In short the weapon we would like to rely on, our courts, our law enforcement agencies, our politicians and our political process to ferret out and put an end to these people’s influence and machinations is a dog that will not hunt any longer, is a weapon that will not fire in the people’s hands, because it is owned lock stock and barrel by the very enemies of the people it does little good to name.

All the while to many because of the propaganda and the denial that they are in, and the false pride they attach to nation, religion and political personalities most of us won’t even seriously go down that path to fixing this problem.

If a solution exists to this challenge it isn’t going to be in naming names over and over again on ATS.

Eventually at some point some one, or some collection of some bodies are going to have to step up to the plate and take on the richest most powerful people in the world in a dog fight with them having every advantage on their side in defeating it, including the government of we the people that they have long ago corrupted and bought and paid for.

Anger is running ramped, frustrations running high, rancor and acrimony is causing the right to part, and the left to part, into more divisions than ever.

Venting is great yet it is not a means to an end.

In fact it’s about the most self defeating thing we can do, and its about all we do, and for far too many of us, most of us about all we can do.

Our government our agencies, our media, our political think tanks, our other public organizations have been infiltrated and compromised on so many levels by so many players, promoting so many different agendas that at the end of the day collect their paychecks, their funding and their power and prestige from the very people whom we have named again and again and again.

We don’t need names we need people of exceptional courage and skill a whole lot of tar, a whole lot of feathers, a whole lot of torches and a whole lot of pitchforks, and tragically even at the end of all that, we will remain a people and a world bitterly divided with no clear course or dominant group able to step into the vacuum that’s been created by removing these tyrants, despots, and sycophants from their positions of power and monopolies.

We don’t need to name more names, we need to collectively grow up already!


[edit on 29/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]




posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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This is the mass awakening that everyone is talking about. For the last 60 years Israel have been plotting and warring and cleansing Palestine and Muslims. They have for all intents and purposes succeded in tricking the world that the enemy is Muslims and Islam, where the truth is completely opposite. Now more and more people are waking up to what zionism and Israel is all about. The next awakening and conscious shift that will happen is when people will truly realise the agenda behind zionism as we know it today. Its a very interesting subject, but it involves religion and Islam to a large extent, so unfortunately that will already throw most people off from the start. The mass awakening will come when the truth becomes so obvious (due to the unimaginable oppression that will occur) that people will start to see it. Problem is by then it will be too late and even more complicated, and the masses will awaken to an even bigger deception instead of the truth. Only after people are tricked into the first deceptive awakening and many fall victim, will the true second awakening occur. Help yourself now and start reading into religion with an open mind. Without religion you will NEVER understand the zionist agenda and plan.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 10:29 PM
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Maybe the former chief rabbi, Ovadia Yosef, is trying to stir the pot with the hopes of getting a Muslim leader to speak out with even harsher words against the Jews.

Often, the person that retaliates and throws the second punch is the one that is caught red handed and prosecuted further than the person who started the fight.

PLEASE! Iran, Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon don't take the bait. Ask for peace and mean it because all eyes will be on your comeback remarks.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 10:51 PM
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netanyahu is the biggest snake in the middle east. he was in the garden of eden tempting adam and eve with an apple. this guy talks about peace but since he came into power, he's demolished more palestinian homes and pushed more armed military posts and forts ("settlements" for n.american readers) than any israeli prime minister in history. he's a mossad agent and part of the israeli's american manipulation campaign to always put white n.american looking israeli diplomats and puppets with almost perfect american accents on t.v. and in the media to better push their agenda and so americans can easily identify with them and believe the massive truckload of b.s. that comes of their mouths.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 11:23 PM
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in case anyone has been asleep for the past 40 years israels agenda and long term strategy has 2 main points. 1. to condemn every act of violence against them as terrorism and use that as an excuse to delay peace talks. this is a win/win situation for israel. as long as one bus exploded they can suspend talks indefinately and further oppress all palestinians regardless of guilt or innocence. as long as no buses blow up the citizens of israel feel as safe as you can be in israel and there would not be a nationwide pressure to make peace. by tricking the palestinians into a peaceful solution they have effectively taken the teeth out of the pitbull. 2. to lie, delay and trick the palestinian people and government about peace and statehood with every method possible and by saying one thing and doing another, basically filibustering them, like "two states living side by side in peace and security", while quietly demolishing and spreading, like a glacier, settlements eastward until israelis are the majority in all the occupied territories. this plan could take up to 40-60 years. eventually the palestinian government would slowly disintegrate and the palestinian people will be forced into ghettos or leave entirely. the extinction of the palestinian people. we are witnessing this extinction of a group of people, their culture, their home, their freedom right before our eyes, in our life time but the media and certain people care more about the fate of seals being clubbed by a bunch of eskimos in canada than they do about existence of these innocent people.

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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 11:44 PM
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Not to worry?
The Son has not Set .....yet.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
And by the way - there are million and a half Arabs in evil genocidal Israel.
How many Jews are in Gaza? Or in majority of West Bank that is under Palestinian authority? Or in Egypt? Or in Syria? Or in Lebanon? Or in Saudi Arabia?


You must have left out Holocaust-hungry Iran on purpose.
It has the largest population of Jews in the middle-east outside of Israel.

- Lee



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:17 AM
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The “lord” guided his people to the “promised land”, but that land wasn’t free. People already lived there in various towns. Therefore the “lord” commanded his people to mercilessly slaughter all of them. In nearly all cases not even a child, a woman or an old man was spared, but they should completely all be killed, so that his people could live in: “great and goodly cities, which thou buildedst not, and houses full of all good things, which thou filledst not, and wells digged, which thou diggedst not, vineyards and olive trees, which thou plantedst not; when thou shalt have eaten and be full” (Deut 6:10-11). With this, a veritable holocaust began! (See Numbers to Judges in the Bible.)
In one city after the other they murdered and slaughtered until no one was left. The only exception was in a few cases that they kidnapped virgins. For what? It would certainly be naïve to claim that it would not be for sexual “services”.
When Moses by order of Yahweh could say as follows, he strongly disqualifies himself and his commissioner: “And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host... which came from the battle. And Moses said unto them, ‘Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves’” (Num 31:14-18).
This rather looks like a mass human sacrifice for the “lord”...
When Yahweh rages as follows he demonstrates his fake divinity: “And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate. ...And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.” (Lev 26:21-29)
Today they would like to do the same thing. But the world is watching this time. So they have to do it slowly, bit by bit as “piecemeal tactics”, and try to have the Palestinians relocated (expelled) – taking their land bit by bit – and starve them to death, and they response to any attacks by them with at least seven times more in retaliation.
The old story repeats in a new form. What right do they have to that land? They claim that Adam and Eve were given that land (from which they were then expelled) and that they would be their ancestors. But they are the biblical ancestors of ALL peoples of the planet! Then everyone would have the right to it!
There was a terrible holocaust in our times. They made sly use of it for claiming “their land”, which is everyone’s land. They created a Zionism with the goal: “We will not wait until God gives us the land back. We will take it NOW!” And so they did, over dead bodies of those who since generations already lived there... creating their own variety of a slow holocaust...



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:30 AM
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"I" wouldn't assume the wiki definintion of Set as Is.
But that is just 'me'.
You?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by rufusdrak
 


Are you talking about the less than 1000 members of their collective gov'ts or are you talking about the other 13,000,000 people there that are at the whim of their elected psychopaths um, elected representatives?



I'm talking about their corrupt evil satanic government. My logic refuses to allow me to believe that an entire nation state can be evil and satanic so surely Israel as a country and as a people must have good in them somewhere, in fact I've known many Israeli's with big hearts and anti-war sentiments so you're right it must only be their corrupt satanic government ruled by evil overlords, it is they that must be destroyed.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:56 AM
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When will we stop referring to those pulling the strings with vague labels like "the Military Industrialists, the Oil Companies and the Bankers"? We need to start naming names. Nothing will change until the individuals who hide behind these vague labels are exposed. They have no incentive to change unless and until they face PERSONAL consequences for their decisions and conduct.


Project Censored has published a paper (25 pages), which does just that. It contains the names of 236 men and women in key positions, who profit from a militant, American Empire:


The Global Dominance Group: 9/11 Pre-Warnings & Election Irregularities in Context
By Peter Phillips, Bridget Thornton and Celeste Vogler
The leadership class in the US is now dominated by a neo-conservative group of people with the shared goal of asserting US military power worldwide. This global dominance group, in cooperation with major military contractors, has become a powerful force in world military unilateralism and US political processes. This research study is an attempt to identify the general parameters of those who are the key actors supporting a global dominance agenda and how collectively this group has benefited from the events of September 11, 2001 and irregularities in the 2004 presidential election. This study examines how interlocking public private partnerships, including the corporate media, public relations firms, military contractors, policy elites, and government officials, jointly support a US military global domination agenda. We ask the traditional sociological questions regarding who wins, who decides, and who facilitates action inside the most powerful military-industrial complex in the world.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Another good tool is the Notable Names Database (NNDB), which allows to map and group over 36,000 people of note. Here as example the PNAC members. Just try it out. Click on a PNAC-member and generate a map for him.
www.nndb.com...

Ryan Dawson has collected very good and well-sourced information about key players of PNAC and the MIC.

His blog:
www.rys2sense.com...
His 3hour long documentary War by Deception
www.rys2sense.com...



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:18 AM
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I found 'something' in the websphere which seemed to jive with Reason.

'Seems' appropriate for the times.

What do you think?
I'm curious to hear the 'replies'.
We have 'this hope' they are 'honest' for a change.
You know what I mean.

The 'word' of man.
Is it worth much?
At all?

The Light always wins in your End.
It truly Is common sense.
Is it not?

"Change"?
Tic-toc.....
as a broken record.

A woman by the name of Sylvia, one, of many, I have become to adore, is a prime example for what he sais. I love 'many' women though this one is a prime example of how the sense of touch can affect their 'appearance'.

She knows this and I still love her, for who 'she' Is.
Do you know of another of which could transcribe what he sais?
I'm really curious to hear your replies.

This is important for the 'times'.
You will know what I mean.....
Or not.


[edit on 30-8-2010 by Perseus Apex]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:46 AM
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Palestians are nomads. They traveled with there goats and sheep and never claimed a homeland. They tried once in Jordan but were evicted. They should have been eradicated by the Jordanians and this problem would have been solved much sooner. The Jews have been plagued with them and other Islamic states use them to forster hate and violence against the Jewish state.
As the USA declines its influence in the Middle East, thanks to our Muslim president, Isreal finds itself alone. It must make a decision to protect itself and I believe it will exterminate the Palestians.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:48 AM
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Personally, I don't prefer bloodshed.
Each will be judged post flesh for their injustice unto their fellow man.
Regardless, each lives with the consequence of their mistakes 'every' day.
Do they Not?
I prefer enlightenment for all concerned, where it can be found.

If one knew better, they would truly Do better.
Would they Not?
Makes sense to me.

Most are misled.
This should be obvious though that is just 'me'?
What do 'you' think.
Yes, U.


[edit on 30-8-2010 by Perseus Apex]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:59 AM
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The Hebrews were nomads themselves who ended up in Egypt. So they historically are very similar to the Palestinians. But I doubt that the latter were so much nomads still a hundred years ago ... and what t.h. is wrong with being nomads???

I remember an allegedly true story, but not from where I have it.
After US troops liberated a concentration camp in Germany, two Jews walked away from it. One wanted to cross a wheat field and the other said: "Don't do that! You will damage the crops!" - "What does that matter? What did they do to us?" - "My friend, have you not learned ANYTHING from all these years?"

So what have the Zionists learned? Not PEACE, they missed that lesson! They learned TO DO IT MUCH THE SAME WAY! ...



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 02:22 AM
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I don't label others.
They often do it for me.
What do you think?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 02:42 AM
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I support israel in all and for all,
not that i like genocide, in the contrary, i just dislike the huge hipocrisy of today's peace loving people, because i just hear about the palestinian genocide, but never heard about other genocides around the world, you name them. It seems like there is only one war in the world, and there is only one bad guy (usa-israel) and there is just one victim (iraq-afghan-palestine).

How about when ahmadinejad says "let's destroy israel from the face of the earth", why i don't see the same peace loving people not talking about genocide?

Or is this peace talk just a justification for hate and prejudice against israel?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by Ong Bak
well now that all the regular posters have come into the thread metioning jews and spewed their regular anti semetic hate rhetoric, i guess theres really nothing left ot talk aobut.


If there was a voting system for the most retarded post in this thread, yours would have won by far...

[edit on 30-8-2010 by charlie_the_loafer]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by Jeanius
At least this will probably be covered in the European press.

Those in the US will never know if it's existence, or if they do, it will be one of those one story jobs and never to be talked about again.


Meh, don't bet on that.
Israel has alot of "friends" in Europe.
I don't expect to see much of this on the news and I haven't seen or read anything about this on any news site in my home country.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:41 AM
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Whats new?



1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies ­not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy."
    Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
    Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
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