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Originally posted by indya
There are extremists in every ideology [political or religious], thinking and trying to make it compulsory that every jew has to be an angel is audacious stupidity. If I need to visit any middle eastern country I will always choose Israel over other arab countries.
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
And by the way - there are million and a half Arabs in evil genocidal Israel.
How many Jews are in Gaza? Or in majority of West Bank that is under Palestinian authority? Or in Egypt? Or in Syria? Or in Lebanon? Or in Saudi Arabia?
So all those attempts to blame Israel in genocide (even using poisonous speeches by Jewish fanatics - and sadly important fanatics) while demographics on the ground clearly show the opposite are pretty lame.
The methodology employed by the Arab lobby is thus totally inconsistent with democratic governance, because it does not reflect the will of the people but rather the corruption of the elite, while the Israeli lobby seems to operate within the parameters of democratic processes. Yet so much has been written about the allegedly corrosive nature of the Israeli lobby, while the powerful Arab lobby has widely escaped scrutiny and criticism. This important book thus contributes to the open marketplace of ideas by illuminating the dark side of the massive and largely undemocratic Arab lobbying efforts to influence American policy with regard to the Middle East.
Iran continues to build a nuclear weapon, as the Israelis and Palestinians take a tentative step toward building a peaceful resolution to their age-old conflict.
After the actions of the Zionists to the indigenous people living in Palestine and to their neighbors, the Zionists don't dare try and set up shop in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt or Lebanon.
Gaza is an area that the Zionists have pushed the Palestinians into to begin with after they seized parts of Palestine.
As to the West Bank, there are around 500,000 Jews living in it as we speak due to Israeli land grabs through settlements.
Please stop being coy with us as your rhetoric is in your posterior.
How many Jews are in Gaza? Or in majority of West Bank that is under Palestinian authority?
The Israeli government has a way of declaring portions of Palestine as security zones, then tearing down houses, then building Jewish only settlements.
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
And Arabs can "set up shops" freely in Israel. Which is evil and genocidal naturally....
By the way , Ovadia Yosef considers Jews being indigenous to Palestine so i think that yours and his logic have the same ,hmmmmm, moral values.
Jews lived in Gaza before 1948. Where are they? Or Arabs are allowed to throw indigenous population out?
Yeah, and how many Jews live under Palestinian jurisdiction? Say - in Ramallah?
Best answer you could find?
Originally posted by illusive man
reply to post by Chevalerous
it was the fault of the jews, gypsies and so on that Hitler started killing them all (that is sarcastic part just in case lol)
As said in my last post. After the actions of the Israelis, Jews don't dare set up shop there now as to Gaza being the internment camp that the Israelis have turned it into. This is clear to all but the person who is attempting hyperbole as you do seem to be doing with this point.
Strenger than Fiction / Why Israel keeps moving right
Israelis at this point prefer international isolation, painful as it is, to reliance on Arab peace partners for its own security.
Israel has been sliding into ever greater isolation in recent years. Since Benjamin Netanayhu returned to power in 2009 this process has accelerated. The international community has been put off by his tactics: Whenever the question of Israel’s settlement policy comes up, he diverts attention to the Iranian nuclear threat.
He argues that the world is facing a situation similar to 1938, and that its reaction is that of Chamberlain trying to appease Hitler. The world doesn’t buy Netanyahu’s rhetoric; his policy of stalling the peace process is perceived as a cynical ploy hiding Israel’s true intent of holding on to the territories.
This explanation fails to take into account that Netanyahu’s rhetoric reflects the paradoxical state of mind of the Israeli electorate. Polls show that a consistent 70 percent of Israelis favor a two-state solution. So why has Israel’s electorate been moving consistently to the right in the last decade? Why is Netanyahu’s popularity in Israel so high? And why is Israel’s public less willing than ever to listen to criticism of Israeli policies?
This development can be elucidated by a universal tendency of the human psyche uncovered by existential psychology in the last two decades. When under threat, particularly mortal threat, humans tend to react psychologically by entrenching their worldviews. These views, which include identity narratives of righteousness, become ever more rigid under these circumstances, leading to growing distrust, hatred and negative prejudice against out-groups. Criticism of the in-group and its worldview is rejected categorically.
This theory predicts that Israel’s move to the right reflects a sense of existential threat. To outside observers this may seem absurd, given that Israel is a regional superpower generally assumed to have a substantial nuclear arsenal, whereas the Palestinians don’t even have a standing army. Nevertheless all polls show that Israel suffers from deep anxiety about its viability.
Israel’s electorate reacted to this sequence of events exactly as predicted by existential psychology: during operation Cast Lead, the Israeli public was unwilling to tolerate any criticism of the massive destruction in Gaza, and in the 2009 elections it moved strongly to the right and effectively erased the Israeli left.
The result is a vicious circle in which Israel feels that its existential fears are not taken seriously. Israel’s electorate moves towards leaders who address but also keep reinforcing its fears. International opinion becomes ever more negative, which in turn reinforces Israel’s isolation which in turn raises existential fears.
This has one, very unfortunate, consequence. Israel’s best chance of minimizing the threat from Hamas and Hezbollah and minimizing Iranian influence in the Middle East is to engage with the Arab League peace initiative. If Israel were to normalize relations with all of the Arab and most of the Islamic world, particularly Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas would be isolated to the point of having to move towards abandoning violence and recognizing Israel’s legitimacy.
Are there any ways to get Israel out of its growing distrust of the outside world? Experimental existential psychology suggests two main means: one is, obviously, lowering the real or perceived mortal threat. The other is to decrease the sense of isolation.
The big question is whether this will in any way influence Netanyahu’s overall security conception, that Israel must retain control over certain areas in the West Bank to have an effective answer to any future attack from the east. Since this does not allow for territorial contiguity of a future Palestinian State, it will be unacceptable to Palestinians and the international community.
The day Netanyahu changes his coalition by ousting Lieberman’s hawkish Yisrael Beiteinu party and replacing it with Tzipi Livni’s centrist Kadima, we will have a strong indication that he is moving towards genuine progress with the Palestinians.
But ahead of Netanyahu's trip to the United States, where U.S. President Barack Obama will formally preside over the reopening of talks on Wednesday, Palestinians still doubt the prime minister's commitment to peace.
Netanyahu has so far refused to address Palestinian demands to continue a 10-month freeze on the building of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, due to expire on September 26.
The Palestinians have repeatedly threatened to walk out of talks if building continues and, in the absence of Israeli guarantees, remain cagey on what format the negotiations should take.
Arab League chief: Peace talks will likely be unsuccessful
Israel's Vice Premier: Israel won't vote on extending temporary settlement freeze, due to expire next month, before peace talks begin.
Mahmoud Abbas: If talks fail over settlements, only Israel will be to blame
Palestinian President: We understand Israel's need for security, but it is not an excuse to expand settlements and steal lands.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas addressed the upcoming resumption of direct peace talks with Israel in a televised speech on Sunday, saying that "Israel will be held accountable for the failure of the talks if settlement construction should continue."
"The negotiations need to bring about serious action that will be able to bring liberation from the occupation and independence," Abbas said.
And please don't tell me that they doesn't count as a very important/influential and powerful group in Israel with the rhetorics from Avigdor Lieberman and rabbi Ovadia Yosef as very good example regarding this.
Originally posted by airspoon
Of course we don't need them to tell us their intentions to be able to see their actions. In fact, Israel has made their intentions perfectly clear through their actions. Actions after all, do speak much louder than words and Israel's actions are clearly genocidal in nature.
[edit on 29-8-2010 by airspoon]
The modern Philistines (i.e., "Palestinians" like the Muslims) can make no valid claim to the land of Israel. That's because they never conquered the land. They were only living there when England conquered the land from the Ottoman Empire way back at the end of World War I.
The main difference between the two is that Arabs were allowed to stay in Israel and gain citizenship post-1948, while Jews were completely removed from Arab-held areas after 1948. Today's Palestinian refugees are the descendants of those who left, either out of fear for their lives or in response to instructions from the Grand Mufti and/or Arab armies to leave their homes, so the Arab armies would have a free-fire range to evict the Jews from the new UN-created State of Israel.
Muslims also revere many holy sites which were originally founded by Jews in the Biblical period, such as The Cave of the Patriarchs and the Temple Mount, and in the past 1,400 years have constructed Islamic landmarks on these ancient Jewish sites, such as the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
Originally posted by Sphota
Supposedly Iranian President M. Amaddinejad said Israel should be wiped out.
"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
So Jew = Zionist?
Originally posted by filosophia
* * * On www.aish.com, Alan Dershowitz has an article stating how "there is one Middle East lobby that controls the United States," but it's not AIPAC, it's the Arab lobby! Interestingly they criticize Saudis, I wonder if they will also criticize Elena Kagan for blocking a 9/11 lawsuit to protect the Saudi prince, I'm thinking not since I tried to post that comment and my comment was blocked.
Originally posted by Protoplasmic Traveler
Western Nations who actually have to carry out the war of Muslim attrition not so much for Israel but the profit of the Military Industrialists, the Oil Companies and the Bankers who conveniently use Israel as an excuse and defense for their own actions.