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Erekat: Israeli religious figure urging genocide of Palestinians

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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by indya
There are extremists in every ideology [political or religious], thinking and trying to make it compulsory that every jew has to be an angel is audacious stupidity. If I need to visit any middle eastern country I will always choose Israel over other arab countries.


Which is exactly why this rabbi saying this is not news, this being news is news. It shows the MSM is not afraid to criticize Jews, which can only mean that they have some reason to do so when previously they would not.




posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge

And by the way - there are million and a half Arabs in evil genocidal Israel.
How many Jews are in Gaza? Or in majority of West Bank that is under Palestinian authority? Or in Egypt? Or in Syria? Or in Lebanon? Or in Saudi Arabia?
So all those attempts to blame Israel in genocide (even using poisonous speeches by Jewish fanatics - and sadly important fanatics) while demographics on the ground clearly show the opposite are pretty lame.


After the actions of the Zionists to the indigenous people living in Palestine and to their neighbors, the Zionists don't dare try and set up shop in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt or Lebanon.

Gaza is an area that the Zionists have pushed the Palestinians into to begin with after they seized parts of Palestine with the armistice agreement with Egypt in 1949. Then Israel seized it in 1967. It has been a huge detainment area ever since, that is blockaded by Israel to boot.

As to the West Bank, there are around 500,000 Jews living in it as we speak due to Israeli land grabs through settlements.

Please stop being coy with us, as your rhetoric is only fit for other Zionists looking to justify their cruel wanton actions.






[edit on 29-8-2010 by warequalsmurder]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:33 PM
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Someone who is Jewish should know more than anyone that talk of genocide is the begining of genocide.
Shame on him.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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The Dershowitz article tells some truth.


The methodology employed by the Arab lobby is thus totally inconsistent with democratic governance, because it does not reflect the will of the people but rather the corruption of the elite, while the Israeli lobby seems to operate within the parameters of democratic processes. Yet so much has been written about the allegedly corrosive nature of the Israeli lobby, while the powerful Arab lobby has widely escaped scrutiny and criticism. This important book thus contributes to the open marketplace of ideas by illuminating the dark side of the massive and largely undemocratic Arab lobbying efforts to influence American policy with regard to the Middle East.

But that only really applies to the Saudi royals, not to the Arab lobby as a whole. The only reason that support for Israel is "popular" in America is through Christian Zionism and media control which filters out the facts of ME reality. The Triad of US Presidency, Saudi royals, and Zionist Israel, still are allied against:


First paragraph
Iran continues to build a nuclear weapon, as the Israelis and Palestinians take a tentative step toward building a peaceful resolution to their age-old conflict.

Dershowitz is probably the most skilled propagandist for the Zionist program. Tossing in dangerous amounts of truth while labeling as 'the enemy' a group which barely has any clout at all, Arab Lobby, which isn't the same as Saudi Royals, who don't need a lobby, the back room of bigshots is all they need.

What Dersowitz pulls off, is to take legitimate American anger against Saudi Royal access to power and directs that anger against the Arab lobbies.

[edit on 29-8-2010 by pthena]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:46 PM
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After the actions of the Zionists to the indigenous people living in Palestine and to their neighbors, the Zionists don't dare try and set up shop in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt or Lebanon.

So Jew = Zionist? Even Jew who lived in those countries prior to 1948? And what if a Jew would "dare to set up a shop" in any of those countries - what do you think will happen to him? I smell the same logic as the one used by Ovadia Yosef.....
And Arabs can "set up shops" freely in Israel. Which is evil and genocidal naturally....
By the way , Ovadia Yosef considers Jews being indigenous to Palestine so i think that yours and his logic have the same ,hmmmmm, moral values.



Gaza is an area that the Zionists have pushed the Palestinians into to begin with after they seized parts of Palestine.

Jews lived in Gaza before 1948. Where are they? Or Arabs are allowed to throw indigenous population out?



As to the West Bank, there are around 500,000 Jews living in it as we speak due to Israeli land grabs through settlements.

Yeah, and how many Jews live under Palestinian jurisdiction? Say - in Ramallah?



Please stop being coy with us as your rhetoric is in your posterior.

Best answer you could find?



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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How many Jews are in Gaza? Or in majority of West Bank that is under Palestinian authority?

I can't remember if it's 50,000 or 400,000 Jewish settlers in Jewish only settlements in the West Bank. Whatever the number, it just keeps going up, as settlements expand. Oh wait, you qualified it as under Palestinian authority. The Israeli government has a way of declaring portions of Palestine as security zones, then tearing down houses, then building Jewish only settlements.

Edit to add strikeout, as corrected by ZeroKnowledge, clearly, the settlements are placed on defendable hill positions. The building over torn down Palestinian homes is the policy in East Jerusalem.



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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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It is around 500,000 now.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Time will go by and Israel will aquire more and more of the land that is currently contested. In 50 years there will be hardly anything left of the Palistinian people in that area and then Israel will set it's sights elsewhere.

This is already genocide, just being done at a very slow pace.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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The Israeli government has a way of declaring portions of Palestine as security zones, then tearing down houses, then building Jewish only settlements.

Like a ...? Example, please. You clearly had not been in West Bank since settlements are built on hills. And there is a ton of empty hills in West Bank.
Look at settlements from Google Earth, it is easy.
There were Jews in East Jerusalem and in few places in West bank , prior to 1948. After 1948 no one was left. At least in Israel not all Arabs became refugees. So how can one claim that Israel is genocidal while "indiginous population" did ethnic cleansing much more efficiently?



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge

And Arabs can "set up shops" freely in Israel. Which is evil and genocidal naturally....
By the way , Ovadia Yosef considers Jews being indigenous to Palestine so i think that yours and his logic have the same ,hmmmmm, moral values.

History begs to differ with your skewed logic. But you may feel free to use Ovadia Yosef as your basis for antithesis until the cows come home. You do so at risk of complete self discreditation though.

ZeroKnowledge
Jews lived in Gaza before 1948. Where are they? Or Arabs are allowed to throw indigenous population out?

As said in my last post. After the actions of the Israelis, Jews don't dare set up shop there now as to Gaza being the internment camp that the Israelis have turned it into. This is clear to all but the person who is attempting hyperbole as you do seem to be doing with this point.



ZeroKnowledge
Yeah, and how many Jews live under Palestinian jurisdiction? Say - in Ramallah?

Nice attempt at trying to sidestep the half a million that live in the Westbank. Sorry, but I'm not letting you out of the noose on that one as you trapped yourself with your first post in this topic.



ZeroKnowledge
Best answer you could find?

I think it was adequate enough to blow your logic out into the fantasy land it was spawned from, so yah.






[edit on 29-8-2010 by warequalsmurder]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by illusive man
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it was the fault of the jews, gypsies and so on that Hitler started killing them all (that is sarcastic part just in case lol)


Well according to my family that was alive during those times, there's a bit of truth to that. There were a lot of bankers taking advantage of the financial crisis in Germany pre-WW2, buying up a lot of bankrupt shops or lending money at insane rates. According to what I was told they were Jewish. This is before the propaganda built on existing resentment, but I don't know how wide spread this was, this was in East Prussia. Just want to point out that history is not always so clear cut. 'Victors write history' and all that shazam.

Regarding the OP, I find this disgusting. It's just hilarious how no one is putting pressure on Israel for statements like these. At the same time, they twist the words of Iran's President to say something he didn't. Remember that "Isreal will be wiped off the face of the earth!!!1!111oneoneone"? Yeah that.

But what can we do? Nothing. We just watch helplessly as this plays out.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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As said in my last post. After the actions of the Israelis, Jews don't dare set up shop there now as to Gaza being the internment camp that the Israelis have turned it into. This is clear to all but the person who is attempting hyperbole as you do seem to be doing with this point.

I see that i should chew it all into smaller bits so that it will fall through:
Gaza was under Egyptian control until 1967. Jews lived there until 1948.
West bank and Eastern Jerusalem were under Jordan control until 1967.
Jews lived there until 1948.
No internment camp then,right?
In 1948 war more then 6000 Israelis were killed and more then 15000 Palestinians.
Same magnitude of casualties.
More then 700000 Palestinian became refugees as a result of a war (started by Arab side) and at least 800000 Jews.
Why Jews cannot live in some Arab states and Arabs can live in Israel? Do you "dare" to "set shop" of your logic on this issue? Or again choose to substitute it with using complicated shrink words?



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 02:53 PM
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well now that all the regular posters have come into the thread metioning jews and spewed their regular anti semetic hate rhetoric, i guess theres really nothing left ot talk aobut.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:00 PM
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Yeah but these kind of statements and comments are very important regarding the upcoming peace talks in Washington.

The extreme far right are doing the best they can to simply destroy any possible agreements with the Palestinians, at any costs.

And please don't tell me that they doesn't count as a very important/influential and powerful group in Israel with the rhetorics from Avigdor Lieberman and rabbi Ovadia Yosef as very good example regarding this.

I know very well that not ALL Israelis are raving mad extremists - and I know that many people want some kind of peace process as well.

But why do even the more moderate people of Israel give these extremists their support?

Well, I found this piece among others to give a fair answer to that question:


Strenger than Fiction / Why Israel keeps moving right

Israelis at this point prefer international isolation, painful as it is, to reliance on Arab peace partners for its own security.

www.haaretz.com...


Israel has been sliding into ever greater isolation in recent years. Since Benjamin Netanayhu returned to power in 2009 this process has accelerated. The international community has been put off by his tactics: Whenever the question of Israel’s settlement policy comes up, he diverts attention to the Iranian nuclear threat.



He argues that the world is facing a situation similar to 1938, and that its reaction is that of Chamberlain trying to appease Hitler. The world doesn’t buy Netanyahu’s rhetoric; his policy of stalling the peace process is perceived as a cynical ploy hiding Israel’s true intent of holding on to the territories.



This explanation fails to take into account that Netanyahu’s rhetoric reflects the paradoxical state of mind of the Israeli electorate. Polls show that a consistent 70 percent of Israelis favor a two-state solution. So why has Israel’s electorate been moving consistently to the right in the last decade? Why is Netanyahu’s popularity in Israel so high? And why is Israel’s public less willing than ever to listen to criticism of Israeli policies?



This development can be elucidated by a universal tendency of the human psyche uncovered by existential psychology in the last two decades. When under threat, particularly mortal threat, humans tend to react psychologically by entrenching their worldviews. These views, which include identity narratives of righteousness, become ever more rigid under these circumstances, leading to growing distrust, hatred and negative prejudice against out-groups. Criticism of the in-group and its worldview is rejected categorically.



This theory predicts that Israel’s move to the right reflects a sense of existential threat. To outside observers this may seem absurd, given that Israel is a regional superpower generally assumed to have a substantial nuclear arsenal, whereas the Palestinians don’t even have a standing army. Nevertheless all polls show that Israel suffers from deep anxiety about its viability.



Israel’s electorate reacted to this sequence of events exactly as predicted by existential psychology: during operation Cast Lead, the Israeli public was unwilling to tolerate any criticism of the massive destruction in Gaza, and in the 2009 elections it moved strongly to the right and effectively erased the Israeli left.



The result is a vicious circle in which Israel feels that its existential fears are not taken seriously. Israel’s electorate moves towards leaders who address but also keep reinforcing its fears. International opinion becomes ever more negative, which in turn reinforces Israel’s isolation which in turn raises existential fears.



This has one, very unfortunate, consequence. Israel’s best chance of minimizing the threat from Hamas and Hezbollah and minimizing Iranian influence in the Middle East is to engage with the Arab League peace initiative. If Israel were to normalize relations with all of the Arab and most of the Islamic world, particularly Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas would be isolated to the point of having to move towards abandoning violence and recognizing Israel’s legitimacy.



Are there any ways to get Israel out of its growing distrust of the outside world? Experimental existential psychology suggests two main means: one is, obviously, lowering the real or perceived mortal threat. The other is to decrease the sense of isolation.



The big question is whether this will in any way influence Netanyahu’s overall security conception, that Israel must retain control over certain areas in the West Bank to have an effective answer to any future attack from the east. Since this does not allow for territorial contiguity of a future Palestinian State, it will be unacceptable to Palestinians and the international community.



The day Netanyahu changes his coalition by ousting Lieberman’s hawkish Yisrael Beiteinu party and replacing it with Tzipi Livni’s centrist Kadima, we will have a strong indication that he is moving towards genuine progress with the Palestinians.



If we should analyse the Governments of America, Israel & 1930's Germany - what do all 3 have in common?

That would probably be that all 3 Governments created and then nurished the Idea to have a constant external enemy as a threat.

We all know that in all 3 of these countries, the Industrialists & the military industrial complexes and the Banksters are the REAL power behind the politicians in all 3 countries.

These people are not interested in any peace process in the Middle East since this would interfere with their way of making money which makes it possible for them to retain their power through constant threats/wars.

Netanyahu is unfortunately their puppet poster-boy in Israel.

And that is why Netanyahu never will make any true peace regarding the Palestinian/Israeli two state solution.

Israel will never give Palestinians any land or state as long as Netanyahu and all the far-right extremists are in power doing the bidding of the International/Israeli banktsters & military industrial complexes!


But ahead of Netanyahu's trip to the United States, where U.S. President Barack Obama will formally preside over the reopening of talks on Wednesday, Palestinians still doubt the prime minister's commitment to peace.



Netanyahu has so far refused to address Palestinian demands to continue a 10-month freeze on the building of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, due to expire on September 26.

The Palestinians have repeatedly threatened to walk out of talks if building continues and, in the absence of Israeli guarantees, remain cagey on what format the negotiations should take.


So the day that Netanyahu actually would make truth of his words. would be the day when they are going to Implement a total new world order - not a day before.

And if he actually against all odds would make peace agreements in Washington a reality, well then I know that the NWO is finally near!


Here are some more pessimists:


Arab League chief: Peace talks will likely be unsuccessful

Israel's Vice Premier: Israel won't vote on extending temporary settlement freeze, due to expire next month, before peace talks begin.

www.haaretz.com...

And some opinions from Mahmoud Abbas:


Mahmoud Abbas: If talks fail over settlements, only Israel will be to blame



Palestinian President: We understand Israel's need for security, but it is not an excuse to expand settlements and steal lands.

www.haaretz.com...

By Avi Issacharoff and The Associated Press


Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas addressed the upcoming resumption of direct peace talks with Israel in a televised speech on Sunday, saying that "Israel will be held accountable for the failure of the talks if settlement construction should continue."



"The negotiations need to bring about serious action that will be able to bring liberation from the occupation and independence," Abbas said.



Israel is unfortunately today a society with strong fascistoid tendencies, which is highly unfortunate for us all - because many Israelis are also very nice and cool & funny people as well - and they belong in the world community.

And the contributions from Jewish people to the world through history with their science, their beautiful art & music cannot be refuted.

Let us pray/wish for peace and hope for a better future for us all!

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Chevalerous]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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And please don't tell me that they doesn't count as a very important/influential and powerful group in Israel with the rhetorics from Avigdor Lieberman and rabbi Ovadia Yosef as very good example regarding this.

Of course those guys are very influential. Which is pretty bad. And actually i worry less about Lieberman- he is a cheap populist and demagogue. But Ovadiya Yosef carries huge weight in religious and semi-religious circles ,and those guys are serious about what is being said.
However he is not policy maker and he will never be. Nor he is the most influential figure in religious circles - does not help much that he is third or even second most influential one....
So again - Fatah (and any normal person actually) can demand from Israeli government - part of which Shas party is (and it is party ruled by Ovadyiah Yosef in ayatolas style) - explanations and condemnation.
It should not be something influencing peace talks though, as i am pessimistic about its results even without all the fanatics heating the situation up. If sides will start using this kind of things to gain a little more pressure points, it will all crumble very very fast.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by airspoon
Of course we don't need them to tell us their intentions to be able to see their actions. In fact, Israel has made their intentions perfectly clear through their actions. Actions after all, do speak much louder than words and Israel's actions are clearly genocidal in nature.

--airspoon

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What would you do with the Arab immigrants in Israel who call themselves Palestinians?

WHAT HAVE THE ARABS DONE FOR PEACE? They have no right to the land. The Brits gave the so called Palestinians Jordan. The deal was the Arabs and Israelis were suppose to live at peace with each other in Israel while the Arabs still got their own country in Jordan. Jordan and the rest of the Arabs constantly attacked the Jews so they rightfully kicked them the hell out. Jews owns the land and has since just about the beginning of time.

Israel gave them Gaza and the West bank to live in peace but that is not good enough for them and they have never stopped attacking Israel.

If you had a spider biting you over and over, Are you just going to keep scratching the different bites or are you finally going to smash it?

FACT. The Palestinians AKA, Jordanians and Egyptians (settled) in Israel proper before WW ll. FACT, Jordan was the land OCCUPIER of Israel land of the West Bank and Jerusalem. FACT, Turkey owned all the land after Israel was already founded as a Jewish nation and then concurred by the Ottomans. FACT, Jordan attacked Israel not once but twice. One time the arrogant King of Jordan said he was going to destroy the Jerusalem wall so Jesus could not ever walk through it. Now you know why Israel took all of Jerusalem from him besides the fact that Jordan and the Arabs had attacked Israel twice.

Jordan and Egypt are to blame for the so called Palestinians suffering because they wont take care of their own problem THEY caused. They know they are thug terrorist and thats why they keep them penned up in Israeli land.


The modern Philistines (i.e., "Palestinians" like the Muslims) can make no valid claim to the land of Israel. That's because they never conquered the land. They were only living there when England conquered the land from the Ottoman Empire way back at the end of World War I.

www.israelnationalnews.com...



The main difference between the two is that Arabs were allowed to stay in Israel and gain citizenship post-1948, while Jews were completely removed from Arab-held areas after 1948. Today's Palestinian refugees are the descendants of those who left, either out of fear for their lives or in response to instructions from the Grand Mufti and/or Arab armies to leave their homes, so the Arab armies would have a free-fire range to evict the Jews from the new UN-created State of Israel.[citation needed]




Muslims also revere many holy sites which were originally founded by Jews in the Biblical period, such as The Cave of the Patriarchs and the Temple Mount, and in the past 1,400 years have constructed Islamic landmarks on these ancient Jewish sites, such as the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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Supposedly Iranian President M. Amaddinejad said Israel should be wiped out.

And Israel condemned such comment with the threat of attack.

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

The more you look around, it really does become apparent that there are a lot of really petty people in the world. Pity.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Sphota
Supposedly Iranian President M. Amaddinejad said Israel should be wiped out.


Regarding the above, this is what Amaddinejad actually said:


"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."


I got that translation from antiwar.com

I had originally heard that on a radio show so tried to Google for the translation to post here.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
So Jew = Zionist?


Not in my opinion. It's not even close. You don't even have to be Jewish to be a Zionist. It's your political system, set up so that coalitions of extremist are controlling the Knesset, thus the political infrastructure of Israel.

I appreciate your candor and your on the spot posts, it is something that is needed but as to the rest of your post it's easy to see that Palestine has been shrinking rapidly over the decades. THAT'S a fact.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
* * * On www.aish.com, Alan Dershowitz has an article stating how "there is one Middle East lobby that controls the United States," but it's not AIPAC, it's the Arab lobby! Interestingly they criticize Saudis, I wonder if they will also criticize Elena Kagan for blocking a 9/11 lawsuit to protect the Saudi prince, I'm thinking not since I tried to post that comment and my comment was blocked.


I am trying to understand your position on this issue. Are you saying it was wrong to publicize the Rabbi's remarks because doing so will generate all the well-deserved criticism of Israel which, in response, is given the opportunity to repeat their typical blather that the world and media are against what they are saying and doing?

The Rabbi’s comment is a breath of truth for once. It expressed clearly what everyone knows they secretly wish to see happen.

The media should be against any Israeli call for the extermination of the Palestinian people. Everyone should be against that hateful policy. Let them decry its publication. They just expose their dark side that much more by doing so.

The World knows and has for decades known what the Israelis are up to. It's no secret. It just hasn't been discussed much in the open because all the PC hypocrites are afraid that someone might call then anti-Israeli or anti-Semitic. It's time to grow a back bone and condemn the words and activities of those who deserve condemnation.



Originally posted by Protoplasmic Traveler
Western Nations who actually have to carry out the war of Muslim attrition not so much for Israel but the profit of the Military Industrialists, the Oil Companies and the Bankers who conveniently use Israel as an excuse and defense for their own actions.


When will we stop referring to those pulling the strings with vague labels like "the Military Industrialists, the Oil Companies and the Bankers"? We need to start naming names. Nothing will change until the individuals who hide behind these vague labels are exposed. They have no incentive to change unless and until they face PERSONAL consequences for their decisions and conduct.



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