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posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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reply to post by Freeborn
 


I kindly direct you to re-read some of my above posts that you have clearly missed or misunderstood.

Thank you!

Parallex.




posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Parallex

Originally posted by BANANAMONTANA
I am sorry but you know nothing about me, my background, my thoughts and point to me where I supported the EDL. I asked questions ?

dont be a troll


I apologise.

I re-read my post and it could be read that I was including you with the EDL. That was not my intention. Although I did mean to imply you had your own set of standards yourself!

Parallex.


Yes.... I try not to have double standards... and you don't have standards.. hmmm
I asked why the UAF do not speak out against radical minorities and why the press focus on the touchy feely side of the UAF when Martin Smith a national officer of UAF is in court Tuesday 7 September. charged with assaulting a police officer, but you really have to dig 'for that little nugget.

www.socialistworker.co.uk...

but I am a racist because I ask?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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Parallex

Even Scooby Doo is less confused then some people in general .

Chin up mate ; your summation of Britishness was fine indeed .



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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I would like to thank all of you for what you've contributed with so far!


It really helped me in getting a broader understanding and a wider perspective about both the EDL and UFA in England.

I've read their homepage and I am now watching some videos - so thanks again for the videos and links from both sides!

I have never had a thread going for 9 pages before and it's quite cool as a non-English person to read all the posts and follow the interesting and heated discussion here about the topic.

Thanks for the help!

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Chevalerous]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:03 PM
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As a non English person, I would be interested to know what your thoughts are? What do you make of it all?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:23 PM
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UAF are just as worse. Failure to protest against extremists - who openly proclaimed they wanted to take over our nation. Sadly, no UAF protesters in site.

Hard to defend some of the fascist methods used by the UAF. Oh, the irony there



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by BANANAMONTANA
 


UAF are just as worse. Failure to protest against extremists - who openly proclaimed they wanted to take over our nation. Sadly, no UAF protesters in site.

Hard to defend some of the fascist methods used by the UAF. Oh, the irony there


You're hardly unbiased on this matter though are you?

Given the side of the fence you're coming from, I'm wholly unsurprised you hold that opinion.

This isn't about whether the UAF are effective protestors or not. This is about the fact that the EDL are racist, fascist scumbags. This thread has proven this point uniquely.

Parallex.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex

Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by BANANAMONTANA
 


UAF are just as worse. Failure to protest against extremists - who openly proclaimed they wanted to take over our nation. Sadly, no UAF protesters in site.

Hard to defend some of the fascist methods used by the UAF. Oh, the irony there


You're hardly unbiased on this matter though are you?

Given the side of the fence you're coming from, I'm wholly unsurprised you hold that opinion.

This isn't about whether the UAF are effective protestors or not. This is about the fact that the EDL are racist, fascist scumbags. This thread has proven this point uniquely.

Parallex.


Can you, just to clarify , tell me what side of the fence I am coming from? please do..

and why cant i discuss the UAF they were indeed present as well no?

and a thread proves nothing to me, it may show me information but does not prove anything I am afraid..

so again do tell what side I am coming from



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex


This isn't about whether the UAF are effective protestors or not. This is about the fact that the EDL are racist, fascist scumbags. This thread has proven this point uniquely.

Parallex.


Yes, it is equally about UAF.

Of course there are some racists within EDL.
But there are some Muslim extremists and ultra-left wing activists within UAF.
Yet you use one set of moral values to judge the EDL and a different set of values to judge UAF.

Oh, I have read your previous posts and I don't think I have misunderstood how you have stereotyped and pigeon holed a whole group of people who you know absolutely nothing about to suit your preconceived idea of who and what EDL supporters are like.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex

Being British is about being tolerant, open-minded, and rational. Of which the EDL is NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Parallex.




Hi, I'm still absorbing all information before forming an opinion so I need to ask you how you respond to the fact the the E.D.L have different races in their membership? Surely that shows some sort of tolerance?



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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Howdy, everyone.

A friendly reminder that the issue, regardless of how provoking it may, or may not be, can be...and will be...discussed with decorum, and civility.

If you can not, or will not, come to an agreement. Just agree to disagree.

Carry on.

[edit on 8/30/2010 by seagull]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Hawkwind.

Originally posted by Parallex

Being British is about being tolerant, open-minded, and rational. Of which the EDL is NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Parallex.




Hi, I'm still absorbing all information before forming an opinion so I need to ask you how you respond to the fact the the E.D.L have different races in their membership? Surely that shows some sort of tolerance?


Hi Hawkwind.

As far as I'm aware, this equates to around 4 people, and none of these can be verified independently here and now - especially as to whether or not they are CURRENT EDL members.

The best diversity view of the EDL can be seen in photo's of the EDL at demonstrations. It's something of a 'white-wash' if you get my meaning.

Parallex.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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Look again at my post Banana - it wasn't aimed at you! Me and Infinite have had discussions on political issues in the past, and I know his standpoint, and who he is in reality. So it's fair to say, I'm unsurprised he held the view he shared.

Parallex.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
Yes, it is equally about UAF.

Of course there are some racists within EDL.


Ok - enlighten me, how is this report about the EDL violence, about the UAF?

Thank you for admitting the EDL are racist.


Originally posted by Freeborn
But there are some Muslim extremists and ultra-left wing activists within UAF.


Agreed - hence why I do not support or agree with the UAF. However I will not accept that they are anywhere near as bad as the EDL, or even remotely fascist / racist.


Originally posted by Freeborn
Yet you use one set of moral values to judge the EDL and a different set of values to judge UAF.


Yes. The EDL are racist, fascist pigs - the UAF are misguided lefties. Which is worse? That's an easy question to answer.


Originally posted by Freeborn
Oh, I have read your previous posts and I don't think I have misunderstood how you have stereotyped and pigeon holed a whole group of people who you know absolutely nothing about to suit your preconceived idea of who and what EDL supporters are like.


I know all about the EDL, and the relevant political parties. I used to be a member of one of the aforementioned groups - and I infiltrated the EDL ranks, and their support network. Henceforth how I know what a bunch of racist, mostly illiterate pigs they are. I know their arguments inside out. I know who some of the main players are - and how they are mostly ex National Front.

When I get passionate about a subject, I research it first hand. I get involved, and I infiltrate if necessary. The pursuit of knowledge is the most noble pursuit. If I were to do anything whilst incognito, it would damage my pursuit of knowledge - so don't even try to go down that road.

You've lost this debate - and you will lose it time and time again. You're defending an undefendable position my friend.

Parallex.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex
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Look again at my post Banana - it wasn't aimed at you! Me and Infinite have had discussions on political issues in the past, and I know his standpoint, and who he is in reality. So it's fair to say, I'm unsurprised he held the view he shared.

Parallex.


okdokey

I'm bored now anyway, here is a little something for you..






posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex

Originally posted by Freeborn
Yes, it is equally about UAF.

Of course there are some racists within EDL.


Ok - enlighten me, how is this report about the EDL violence, about the UAF?

Thank you for admitting the EDL are racist.




I'm sorry Parallex, but are you really that unable to comprehend what is written on a page? Freeborn admitted that there may be SOME members that MAY be racist. but that does not mean the whole organisation is. By the way do you have a youtube account named UKfightback? as that person also spouts in a very similar way and seems to be just as unable to comprehend the basic fact that are right in front of him..



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex
Given the side of the fence you're coming from, I'm wholly unsurprised you hold that opinion.


lol

You don't even know me, sweetheart. So please, don't try and assume my beliefs.

EDL are mindless Neanderthals. The only reason this makes the headlines, and the EDL gain support, is because elements of the press enjoy writing antipathies towards Muslims.

This group would not even see the light of day if they were protesting against Blacks or Jews.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Parallex
Me and Infinite have had discussions on political issues in the past


No we haven't



and I know his standpoint, and who he is in reality


No you don't.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 02:31 PM
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The entire premise of the EDL is pure ignorance. The idea of Islam taking over the UK is utterly fallacious. I have been a member of the left and know for a fact that they are the most clear on the issue of racism. The EDL is to be polite blurred and confusing on issues of race because there are organisations like the BNP using the EDL as a stalking horse.

Very few on ATS can claim to have been card-carrying, paper selling , rent a mob, flying picket lefties. Most of UAF supporters were also supporting the ANL.

The left is workerist perhaps but that does mean unity. The EDL is disunity based on religion. I might as well go burn down a few churches because of idiotic american television preachers but I am above such behaviour.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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It is equally about UAF as they have repeatedly chosen to illegally counter protest against EDL and on several occassions instigated violence against them.

Class War and SWP have for years exploited any possible situation to instigate confrontation.

I acknowledge and agree that there are racist elements within EDL.
But to call all EDL supporters is a gross generalisation and exaggeration.

It is strange that people who use that logic and thought process when discussing EDL yet when people express concerns about the activities of Muslim extremists the apologists are quick to point out that it is a minority and you can't judge the majority on the actions of the minority.

Hypocrisy and double standards methinks.

And to say or imply that right wing extremists are worse than left wing extremists is just shear nonsense.



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