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Riot police tackle missiles at English Defence League protest in Bradford

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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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UAF are and never were noble, they are a paid for mob...point them in a direction and then release them like rabid dogs. I dont like the EDL either but i dislike this notion that UAF are any better when they are not.




posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by neformore

There was no damage to the coaches when the EDL left the protest. They did not leave Bradford via the motorway

As I stated, I am uniquely qualified to tell you that the EDL caused the damage to the coaches. I cannot give you links, because I have none, but I can give you my personal word that it is the case.



Video was taken before leaving town by the looks of it, and luckily there was no serious damage, but the potential was there to injure the driver or distract him which could have caused an accident.



And heres the vehicles reg no i36.tinypic.com...



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 02:51 AM
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Originally posted by solidshot

Originally posted by neformore

There was no damage to the coaches when the EDL left the protest. They did not leave Bradford via the motorway

As I stated, I am uniquely qualified to tell you that the EDL caused the damage to the coaches. I cannot give you links, because I have none, but I can give you my personal word that it is the case.



Video was taken before leaving town by the looks of it, and luckily there was no serious damage, but the potential was there to injure the driver or distract him which could have caused an accident.








It has been confirmed by the police and drivers of the coaches that the EDL bricked the buses. I have no idea , I was not there watching the buses.

Both groups should take their"issues" to a field somewhere and leave people alone.


I dont support either group, but the UAF are not a group of carol singers.

The police had a difficult job.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by BANANAMONTANA
it has been confirmed by the police and drivers of the coaches that the EDL bricked the buses.



Not sure how they were supposed to have done that whilst they were sat on them.... Anyway that vid above shows that others had been attacking them and has the reg no of the car involved so perhaps someone who is "uniquely qualified" should be looking into this. no doubts though nothing will come to this as usual...



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by solidshot

Originally posted by BANANAMONTANA
it has been confirmed by the police and drivers of the coaches that the EDL bricked the buses.



Not sure how they were supposed to have done that whilst they were sat on them.... Anyway that vid above shows that others had been attacking them and has the reg no of the car involved so perhaps someone who is "uniquely qualified" should be looking into this. no doubts though nothing will come to this as usual...


If by "they" you mean the police, I have not seen any reports of "they" having piggy backs to the buses so no they were not sat on the whole time, the EDL were contained.... and I am sure they were angry and provoked.

I understand the EDL planned the demo before the UAF , and I would question why the UAF have to pick the same day and time as the EDL.

The police have shown remarkable restraint.


VIDEO on website

Large numbers for EDL protest and counter-demonstration in Bradford city centre
Huge police operation over protests hailed a success


A counter protest by United Against Fascism under the banner of We Are Bradford passed off peacefully and attempts by supporters believed to be from Manchester and Birmingham to goad the EDL were rebuffed by police.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:49 AM
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Originally posted by solidshot

Originally posted by BANANAMONTANA
it has been confirmed by the police and drivers of the coaches that the EDL bricked the buses.



Not sure how they were supposed to have done that whilst they were sat on them.... Anyway that vid above shows that others had been attacking them and has the reg no of the car involved so perhaps someone who is "uniquely qualified" should be looking into this. no doubts though nothing will come to this as usual...


There is a clear cut good guy and bad guy situation here if the two sides being compared are the UAF lot and on the other side we have the edl, it is going to be the UAF who are the good guys and yet again the poor nazi's are the bad guys, it sorta goes with being a nazi, even when it's considered nazi lite.

So what if a few nazi's get bloodied and their coach windows get broke, pacifism never get you anywhere in the fight against fascism.

If there was any groundswell of support for the edl they wouldn't have to bus in the usual crews from around the country there would be supporters in the march locality, you'd think.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:52 AM
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Originally posted by Parallex

I'm probably reading this wrongly, and I say this with the greatest of respect - but are you somewhat biased Wobbly? All of your posts are subliminaly negative towards the UAF...

Parallex.


:-) not at all. If anything i think the EDL put more effort into causing trouble and, certainly for this demo, can be 'blamed' for it happening.

I'm guessing some people didnt see the trouble within the crowd, a lot of observers were not actually on the front line and some of the media (like sky and the newspapers) were actually on a hotel balcony overlooking the city centre. Much of the trouble was being instigated in the thick of it, as it were.

I have lived in Bradford much of my life and have served as a police officer in the city centre. I know Bradford and a lot of serving police officers and i also work closely in the community (i have been to meetings attended by UAF in this capacity). So its not just my experiences on the day that help me understand this ongoing incident.

It is good to question your sources of information though. However it is vitally important that we dont loose site that we have 2 opposing sides (possibly 3 if you include the MDL and pro islamic groups) that harbour a very violent drive.

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Wobbly Anomaly]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:54 AM
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Originally posted by neformore
I am uniquely qualified to comment on this, so I will do.

The UAF rally was in another part of the city and passed off without incident.





Vid here i have just been linked to of the UAF and their friends pushing against the police lines and throwing abuse, So why weren't they kettled in the same manner? or hit with riot shields?



[edit on 30-8-2010 by solidshot]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:56 AM
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Theres a problem with that video.

I know the exact routes the coaches were escorted into, and out of Bradford, and the routes the EDL agreed to follow. Its not on one of them. The bus has no police escort, and every bus going out of the city had one. I can only assume that bus was not sanctioned to be there - its travelling out of the City on Leeds Road, towards Thornbury Interchange.

Also - I don't agree with the actions of the people on the video, either in the car or on the coach.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 03:58 AM
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Originally posted by Thepreye

If there was any groundswell of support for the edl they wouldn't have to bus in the usual crews from around the country there would be supporters in the march locality, you'd think.



There were actually many supporters from that area, and a lot of local people from Muslim dominated areas do not show up as they are afraid of losing their jobs, or having petrol thrown through their letterboxes whilst they sleep.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by neformore


I know the exact routes the coaches were escorted into, and out of Bradford, and the routes the EDL agreed to follow. Its not on one of them. The bus has no police escort, and every bus going out of the city had one.



There were several coaches that day that were reputedly not given a police escort. There is another report of a car driven by an Asian gang that managed to get in front of one of the coaches before stupidly reversing into it (only really damaging his own car) before screaming off.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:02 AM
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UAF has broad spectrum polical support from trade unionists to accademics etc. Go take a look at their website. They are the inheritors of the ANL?RAR mantle. It is difficult to police a polarised demonstration.

However If I was a moslem in Bradford my thoughts would be on the lines of well I LIVE here and i have to pay my community charge I do not want yobboes messin up my day so I will oppose them.

It is the british way!



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:02 AM
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Originally posted by Thepreye

There is a clear cut good guy and bad guy situation here if the two sides being compared are the UAF lot and on the other side we have the edl, it is going to be the UAF who are the good guys and yet again the poor nazi's are the bad guys, it sorta goes with being a nazi, even when it's considered nazi lite.


Well yeah, if you put it like that. But that isnt the case. The good guys were the ones who either went about their business (this relates to the incident in Bradford) or organised/attended the mini festival in infirmary fields (situated right across the opposite side of the city to the demo) and to some extent the counter protest organised by We are Bradford and attended by some of the UAF, although that one was a bit provocative.

The Bad guys are the EDL, the MDL and UAF who all had members travelled into the city centre and actively organised themselves into groups looking for trouble.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:04 AM
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The UAF demonstration was held completely out of sight of the EDL one, at least half a kilometres walk away, behind several tall buildings, and across Hall Ings/Leeds Road.

Both groups were routed to seperate areas with seperate parking.

Your video does not show the missile throwing from the EDL into the crowd at the bottom of cheapside, nor does it show the EDL violence against the police lines there.

The event at Infirmary fields was a community gala and needed virtually no policing at all.

Edit to add - by the way - the youtube page you linked to shows the EDL with "infidel" T-Shirts on unfurling the Israeli flag in Bradford Urban Gardens - something Solidshot says would not have happened.



[edit on 30/8/10 by neformore]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by neformore
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The UAF demonstration was held completely out of sight of the EDL one, at least half a kilometres walk away, behind several tall buildings, and across Hall Ings/Leeds Road.

Both groups were routed to seperate areas with seperate parking.

Your video does not show the missile throwing from the EDL into the crowd at the bottom of cheapside, nor does it show the EDL violence against the police lines there.

The event at Infirmary fields was a community gala and needed virtually no policing at all.


It was only completely out of site because of the barriers that had been erected otherwise there is pretty much line of site between the 2 locations (from the side of the Telegraph and Argus building) it takes less than 1 minute (less than 30 seconds if you are running) to cover the distance between the 2 locations. As i mentioned, this is provocatively close it was obvious to all that something was going on from the EDL site.

No my video doesnt show the missile, i only got a photo of a can being thrown, (and some rolled up balls of paper) i cant be pointing the camera everywhere at once :-)

Exactly my point about infirmary fields, it didnt need policing because there were no trouble makers (unlike the other demos)

[edit on 30-8-2010 by Wobbly Anomaly]



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by neformore

Edit to add - by the way - the youtube page you linked to shows the EDL with "infidel" T-Shirts on unfurling the Israeli flag in Bradford Urban Gardens - something Solidshot says would not have happened.



Where did i say it didn't happen? i said where was it proven that it was a genuine EDL member? as they had been infiltrated on several occasions by other groups intent on causing trouble and blaming them.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by solidshot
And how do you know they were genuine edl members? You do realise edl marches have been infiltrated by uaf members in the past doing this very thing to project a bad image? And you do know that edl stewards had a small amount of help ejecting a couple of C18 members from the protest who were trying to cause problems and lay the blame at the feet of others?


Of course...the EDL were fully prepared to attack the police lines, but these people with that particular flag - the ones you say are UAF infiltrators...they were fine being in the middle of the EDL protest, and nothing happened to them at all...right?

Come off it. You're making excuses.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by solidshot

Originally posted by Thepreye

If there was any groundswell of support for the edl they wouldn't have to bus in the usual crews from around the country there would be supporters in the march locality, you'd think.



they are afraid


So by your own admission they are cowards who presumably are willing to work for Muslim employers, while planning on booting said employer out of the country for effectively either believing a myth or just living their life without upsetting their parents.

Sorry if you've somehow got the idea that being anti Muslim was the acceptable side of fascism, because of all the tricky war propaganda the elite spew, it isn't there is no acceptable side to fascism.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by solidshot

Originally posted by neformore

Edit to add - by the way - the youtube page you linked to shows the EDL with "infidel" T-Shirts on unfurling the Israeli flag in Bradford Urban Gardens - something Solidshot says would not have happened.



Where did i say it didn't happen? i said where was it proven that it was a genuine EDL member? as they had been infiltrated on several occasions by other groups intent on causing trouble and blaming them.



Ok so I suppose this indicates that they were genuine and are actually racist nazi's, I didn't need your proof as I say I know the ilk of the edl scummers.



posted on Aug, 30 2010 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by neformore


Originally posted by solidshot
And how do you know they were genuine edl members? You do realise edl marches have been infiltrated by uaf members in the past doing this very thing to project a bad image? And you do know that edl stewards had a small amount of help ejecting a couple of C18 members from the protest who were trying to cause problems and lay the blame at the feet of others?


Nowhere in the above post do i say it didn't happen, only that it may have involved others.


Of course...the EDL were fully prepared to attack the police lines,


They may have pushed against police lines, but who wouldn't if being kettled, something the police didn't do to the UAF and their friends even when they were pushing against police lines as shown in the video i linked above.


but these people with that particular flag



You have something against the Israeli flag now?


- the ones you say are UAF infiltrators...they were fine being in the middle of the EDL protest, and nothing happened to them at all...right?


The video i saw showed someone holding an Israeli flag, i haven't seen anyone giving a Nazi salute, no one i have spoken to has seen any evidence that this happened and without any evidence that it did what are people supposed to do? or are you advocating act's of random violence?




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