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Riot police tackle missiles at English Defence League protest in Bradford

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posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by solidshot
And how do you know they were genuine edl members?


Because they stepped off an EDL coach that the Police escorted into the city with other EDL coaches.




posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by solidshot
And how do you know they were genuine edl members?


Because they stepped off an EDL coach that the Police escorted into the city with other EDL coaches.



And as i had said over on the other page they have been infiltrated on several occasions by groups hoping to stir trouble and lay the blame with them. And even if they were wearing an edl shirt it means little as iirc these were on open sale at least in the early days.

[edit on 29-8-2010 by solidshot]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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Sorry, but there are straws that people grasp at, and your grasping at very very short short ones there.

Your claiming that people who got off an EDL coach, surrounded by EDL protestors, carrying an Israeli flag and giving Hitler salutes to locals were actually UAF members.

Thats laughable/



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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I'll give you that one... not Richard Littlejohn are you?



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by solidshot
 


Sorry, but there are straws that people grasp at, and your grasping at very very short short ones there.

Your claiming that people who got off an EDL coach, surrounded by EDL protestors, carrying an Israeli flag and giving Hitler salutes to locals were actually UAF members.

Thats laughable/



You do realise that the easiest way to smear them as anti Semitic or bigoted would be to pull a stunt like this? And whilst in the very early marches a couple of members may have pulled a stunt like this. They were made very unwelcome soon after they were found out.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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These people were applauded by the EDL, and welcomed back onto the coach.

Sorry to burst your bubble there.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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If neformore says that's the way it was that's good enough for me. There are many people on this site I might doubt, he (or she) is not one of them.

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Chris McGee]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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Seconded. I know this is a Conspiracy website but in this case the 'Occams Razor' surely applies.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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Saturday 28th August 2010, the EDL (english defence league) travel to Bradford, UK to protest against mosques, islam, sharia law, immigration, etc and are confronted by Unite against fascism plus groups of local asian youths.....all of them out to wind the other side up and have a fight. Here is some footage we took on the day and, despite what many people are saying, the 'Anti EDL' are not peaceful and there is a very scary undercurrent of intolerance festering away in the UK, intolerance of both Islam and vice versa (we were there...we are here, we were threatened, we saw many organised groups trying to kick start violence). It is difficult to say who is winding who up most, but from experience it seems that the EDL and UAF and the groups of asains that were running around the city centre on saturday are all out for trouble.......very well organised trouble !




[edit on 29-8-2010 by Wobbly Anomaly]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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I think you need to read the thread here.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 05:33 PM
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As much as i don't really like the EDL....I cannot STAND UAF, idiotic young folks who are utterly brainwashed past the point of no return, a mob for hire who are fascist themselves..the sad part is they don't even know it.


Copy and paste



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by Wobbly Anomaly
 


I think you need to read the thread here.


Can you explain a little better please ? You closed my thread about my experiences at this demo and directed me here So Ive re-posted the closed thread info (again my own personal experiences, i gained access to both the front line and behind the police lines)



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 05:39 PM
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To get up to speed on the discussion


Your other thread was redirected here because this one came first.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Solomons
As much as i don't really like the EDL....I cannot STAND UAF, idiotic young folks who are utterly brainwashed past the point of no return, a mob for hire who are fascist themselves..the sad part is they don't even know it.


Copy and paste


I wouldnt want to pick one side over the other but i saw a lot of potential trouble on the anti-EDL side of the barricades from both the UAF and , for want of a better expression MDL (very well organised groups of Asian males and i know you cant judge by appearances, but some seemed well educated and well dressed)

There was a lot of effort on both sides to get something kicked off....and it very nearly did. It's scary how this undercurrent surfaces when it gets the chance. It's quite tribal.

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Wobbly Anomaly]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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The EDL and UAF have "history" although UAF deny they counterprotest..

The EDF had a right to hold a demonstration and in this case it seems that all precautions were taken by the police. The Public Order Act, does not stop all protests  - and  they were permitted as long as demonstrators did not attempt to march.


now lets have some unbiased reporting on both groups in the press please...

Arrests of UAF members

Martin Smith -UAF Chairman of the Socialist Workers Party
www.socialistworker.co.uk...

“Leading anti-fascist campaigner Martin Smith is to appear in court on Tuesday 7 September. He is charged with assaulting a police officer during the demonstration against BNP leader Nick Griffin’s appearance on the BBC’s Question Time last year—charges Martin strongly denies.”



www.theboltonnews.co.uk...


"Today in Bolton we have seen some small evidence of this protest in the form of flag waving and vitriolic name calling - but we have also seen groups of people, predominantly associated with the UAF, engaging in violent confrontation. "It is clear to me that a large number have attended today with the sole intention of committing disorder and their actions have been wholly unacceptable. Turning their anger onto police officers they acted with, at times, extreme violence and their actions led to injuries to police officers, protestors and members of the public.



(UAF)

en.wikipedia.org...


Andrem Choudary Wootton Basset, anyone? the EDF turned up.... no UAF
Did the UAF send any protesters? I am sure they do not participate in double standards.


I don't believe a word they say, any of the two , are people are so weak they must follow such iniquitous dogma that provokes such vitriol .

It is not difficult to find facts that expose these two notable groups.

Would you really fall under their lure like a child and the pied piper... I know I wouldn't.


Can we deny their freedom of speech and assembly though?
If you don't believe in freedom of speech for your enemies then you don't believe in it at all.



[edit on 29-8-2010 by BANANAMONTANA]

[edit on 29-8-2010 by BANANAMONTANA]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by BANANAMONTANA

Did the UAF send any protesters? I am sure they do not participate in double standards.






[edit on 29-8-2010 by BANANAMONTANA]


They provided coaches (info on their website uaf.org.uk...)



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Wobbly Anomaly

Originally posted by BANANAMONTANA

Did the UAF send any protesters? I am sure they do not participate in double standards.






[edit on 29-8-2010 by BANANAMONTANA]


They provided coaches (info on their website uaf.org.uk...)



=] I did mean to Wootton, however I did leave a huge gap between words..

my apologies



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 06:53 PM
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The UAF held a protest on the same day in Bradford, on a completely seperate site, and it passed off peacefully.



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by neformore
The UAF held a protest on the same day in Bradford, on a completely seperate site, and it passed off peacefully.



Some of the UAF attended an event organised by We are Bradford (www.facebook.com...) lots of music, socialist worker mags, that sort of thing. There was also a party in Infirmary fields, more like a mini festival, but without the socialist worker mags ;-)

I didnt see any trouble at either although the 'we are bradford' event was held provocatively close to the EDL demo (just coincidence, i'm sure) and was policed to the hilt, metal detectors and big metal fences. Some of the pics on my video are from here. www.youtube.com...

Funnily enough, the festival in Infirmary fields (not attended by the UAF) needed very little police. hmmmm (at a rough guess 100 times less)

As for the 'face off' in the city centre, the UAF were out in force, very vocal, very provocative. We dont need to make excuses for them. There are violent thugs on both sides. I was in the middle of them !

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Wobbly Anomaly]



posted on Aug, 29 2010 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by Wobbly Anomaly

Originally posted by neformore
The UAF held a protest on the same day in Bradford, on a completely seperate site, and it passed off peacefully.



Some of the UAF attended an event organised by We are Bradford (www.facebook.com...) lots of music, socialist worker mags, that sort of thing. There was also a party in Infirmary fields, more like a mini festival, but without the socialist worker mags ;-)

I didnt see any trouble at either although the 'we are bradford' event was held provocatively close to the EDL demo (just coincidence, i'm sure) and was policed to the hilt, metal detectors and big metal fences. Some of the pics on my video are from here. www.youtube.com...

Funnily enough, the festival in Infirmary fields (not attended by the UAF) needed very little police. hmmmm (at a rough guess 100 times less)

As for the 'face off' in the city centre, the UAF were out in force, very vocal, very provocative. We dont need to make excuses for them. There are violent thugs on both sides. I was in the middle of them !

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Wobbly Anomaly]


I'm probably reading this wrongly, and I say this with the greatest of respect - but are you somewhat biased Wobbly? All of your posts are subliminaly negative towards the UAF...

I'm no fan of either the UAF or the EDL - as both are now ignorant responses to the left / right question. But you do seem to give less criticism to the EDL in your responses...

We all know that Fascism is not acceptable yes? The EDL are OPENLY fascist, racist and bigoted. As an organisation, they should NOT be acceptable to tolerant, reasonable British people.

The UAF, have recently been infiltrated by hard-line socialists and even to the extreme, communists! This organisation has changed from a nobly aimed mission, to a simple red-leaning mob. Misguided? Yes. Unacceptable? No.

The EDL are the moronic option that needs to be stamped on here - logic dictates this.

On a side note....

We shouldn't take what Neformore says as gospel - but given his standing on ATS, his proximity to the events that unfolded, and his 'unique' vantage point and 'access' to the relevant tactical information (read that as you will) - I believe his testimony is the most accurate and reliable.

I do not discount Wobbly's testimony - I support it in that I'm positive there were people making trouble everywhere. But unless they can be certifiably attributed to the relevant groups involved, I would discount this testimony as anecdotal.

I think this thread has proven that defending the EDL's actions and cause is a Lemming's game. It's good to denounce extremism - it's not good to enable & equip racist scum because of it.

Parallex.




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