Riot police tackle missiles at English Defence League protest in Bradford

All protests groups have individuals who go too far or whom are racist, as freeborn pointed out. The EDL has Muslim, Black, Asian members. What intrigues me, is the false news reports, One reporter yesterday, said, The UAF protest was peacefull, where as the EDL protest was marred with violence. Yes I shall take that with a pinch of Salt.

There are fathers who sons serve, or have served in the UK Armed Forces, whom protest, with the EDL, I suppose they are racist also eh?

If one rule is applied to one group, then that rule should be applied to every single protest group in the UK.

There were no reports of the UAF being banned from protesting, The reports on the banning of the march, was concentrated on the EDL.

If that does not tell you anything!

Originally posted by Freeborn


EDL supporters come from all walks of life and are voicing the concerns of a large section of society.

I doubt very much all walks of life are represented at an edl march, mainly a cross section of tards out for a ruc, the only well employed folk at an edl march are the ex army who pulled strings to get a job after they'd done their 9, the rest are unemployed or unskilled workers or criminals, usually drug dealers.

The above would be a fair representation of the 50/100 edl supporters I know well.

They are a confused bunch of sheep.

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Thepreye]

reply to post by Thepreye


And the UAF are not? Both groups are as bad as each other. Both groups should be banned completely from marching. But then were do we go from there. Stop every protest march in the UK?

reply to post by Laurauk


You may have missed my take on the laughable UAF, I firmly believe that without the police presence they would provoke a scrap with the edl then get the crab kicked outa themselves. I don't count the black or brown locals in that mix as whenever they have fought the edl they edl has lost badly cos they ain't that hard just confused boys from the white estates being led by people who wana be a bigger fish no matter how big the pond is.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Why were they protesting in Bradford?, was it just to whip up a bit of trouble or was there a particular grievance like a new Mosque being built? I believe it was just to whip up some tension in the area. i can understand legititmate protest about a potential super Mosque, but to just go to an area where there is a high Muslim population seems like provocation to me

I don't know the true motivations and intentions of the EDL, as I don't have any connections to them.

But, just because they are protesting in areas with a high Muslim population, doesn't necessarily mean that they are doing that to antagonise.

It does make sense, though, if they are truly against Muslim extremism, to protest in the areas with the a large Muslim population, as they statistically will be the most likely to have a higher number of Muslim fundamentalists living in this area.


If you were campaigning against Christian fundamentalism in the USA, would you protest in Washington State or Alabama ?

It would make more sense to protest in Alabama, as they have a larger Christian population, which is more likely to breed Christian fundamentalism.


There's also the point of view - often expressed by some on ATS - that there is a conspiracy to take over Europe/USA by ''Muslim invaders''.

If the EDL are of this same belief, then they may be targeting large Muslim areas, like Bradford, with the intention of inciting the non-Muslim members of the community to stand against Muslims, before it's ''too late''.

Essentially, the may be treating the situation as a ''war'', so they may think it's valid to incite and mobilise people to repel the people that they see as ''invaders''.

I don't believe in this idea one bit, but it is important to analyse things from the point of view of others, to come to a better understanding of why they do the things that they do.

reply to post by Laurauk


The problem arises because UAF refuse to adhede to legal orders prohibiting their counter protests.
The police then choose to ignore the illegal counter protest and allow UAF to protest aggressively.

UAF gatherings pass off peacefully because EDL do not counter protest thus avoiding confrontation.

I do not believe for one moment that Islam, much less Islamic fundamentalism will take over the UK. This is not a moslem country. I also belive that some terrorists are moslems and lost friends, countrymen, and co religionists in 9/11.

Trust me people the sky is not falling.

I do not belive that EDL contribute anything to peaceful relations between Moslems and anyone and the rest of the UK. EDL does not seek out fundamentalists but merely went into Bradford to cause intimidation. I have huge issues with british racists so perhaps by EDL logic I should descend on a typical English villlage and then have a big demo with people who will cause affray????

I do not wantto live in an Islamic fundamentalist country such countries are an anathema to me because they are so very assinine.

What a surprise.

The UAF causing bother again and then the MSM spinning it to make the EDL's legal static protest seem like the problem.

Who votes for a ban on the UAF?

I am uniquely qualified to comment on this, so I will do.

The UAF rally was in another part of the city and passed off without incident.

The EDL began the trouble by throwing bottles and missile towards a mixed gathering of local youths and older residents, and chanting at them.

Before that crowd was moved back, someone threw a smokebomb - I'm not sure which side of the divide that came from.

The EDL repeatedly attacked the police lines infront of them, assaulting several police, and then tried to break out of the back of the area that they were contained in, with about 50 of them scaling a fence, then then gathered missiles and threw them at the police and in the direction of the crowd that had been moved away.

They then tried to move out away from the protest zone, and caused trouble elsewhere where they clashed with local youths before the police moved in, contained the crowd and moved them back to their original position.

The EDL were then bused out of the city. The UAF rally had broken up peacefully long before that point.

Anyone who comes up with any other version of the events yesterday is a straight out liar.

PLEASE CAN WE STOP THE BLATANT DISINFORMATION FROM MANY MEMBERS ON HERE?

The EDL are RACIST, far-right nutters. The UAF are anti-fascist activists, guilty of many bad things - but racism and bigotry are NOT among them.

You EDL supporting thugs on here need to take a LONG, HARD look at your disgusting selves. The United Kingdom will NOT TOLERATE fascism - you hear me? There are those here in the UK who will fight, and KILL to stop this particularly disgusting and moronic behaviour.

We will NOT have the next Nazi Germany arrive in the UK on our watch. Before the morons suggest it, no I'm NOT a UAF person, and never will be. I'm something else - I'm BRITISH and proud of it. I'm ENGLISH, and despise being associated with shaven-headed fascist scumbags like the EDL.

If the EDL wants a fight - I'm right here, and I'm more than happy to put the EDL down - HARD.

Parallex.

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Parallex]

[edit on 29-8-2010 by Parallex]

reply to post by neformore



The smoke bomb and other objects were thrown at the edl by the UAF as shown by this vid yfrog.com...

Is it any surprise that the edl members were pushing against police lines after being kettled into an ever smaller area? And the uaf weren't subjected to even a fraction of this treatment. There are also reports of EDL coaches having their windows bricked by Muslim gangs whilst driving away down the motorway, and an edl woman supporter being smashed in the face by a police riot shield.



[edit on 29-8-2010 by solidshot]

Originally posted by Parallex
PLEASE CAN WE STOP THE BLATANT DISINFORMATION FROM MANY MEMBERS ON HERE?

The EDL are RACIST, far-right nutters.

Your proof is? if they were so racist and far right why do they have many members of all colours? and if they are so far right and Nazi like as you keep spouting why are so many jews joining them and supporting them?

reply to post by Parallex


Hmm. I can see from your last post that clearly feel very strongly about this issue and thats commendable.

However, your tone and manner just makes you look like a hypocrite.

You claim that EDL supporters are disgusting thugs and then threaten them with murder.

You act is if you speak for the majority of the UK, but i doubt that you do.

Disgusting hypocrisy.

Edit for B- in Enlish language test!



[edit on 29/8/10 by logicalview]

Originally posted by solidshot
reply to post by neformore

 

The smoke bomb and other objects were thrown at the edl by the UAF as shown by this vid yfrog.com...

[edit on 29-8-2010 by solidshot]

Your video proves nothing, and contains no 'evidence' or useful information. I'd expect nothing less from an EDL supporter.

Parallex.

Originally posted by solidshot
Your proof is? if they were so racist and far right why do they have many members of all colours? and if they are so far right and Nazi like as you keep spouting why are so many jews joining them and supporting them?

Jews? There's a recruitment drive for Jews?

Talk about guilty conscience!

Why don't you show me some of these members of all colours and creeds? Can you produce any evidence? Mmost likely not. Typical EDL supporter.

Parallex.

Google topic england defence league EDO

PROTESTERS FROM the Smash EDO campaign clash
with Photo by: Courtesy UK factory saboteurs acquitted

The company makes parts for the defense of England.

I remember this EDL person on the stock boards protesting this
company for making parts to deliver bombs on IRAQ at that
time. Perhaps DU was the big concern at that time.

Originally posted by logicalview
reply to post by Parallex

 

Hmm. I can see from your last post that clearly feel very strongly about this issue and thats commendable.

However, your tone and manner just makes you look like a hypocrite.

You claim that EDL supporters are disgusting thugs and then threaten them with murder.

You act is if you speak for the majority of the UK, but i doubt that you do.

Disgusting hypocrititism.

I think if you re-read my post, you'll find I do not threaten EDL supporters or the EDL with murder. I DID suggest that people within the UK would be willing to fight back against the EDL, and that some would be willing to kill to prevent the rise of fascism in the UK.

As for myself, I'm quite happy to join that fight against fascism and the EDL.

Oh, and there is no such word as "hypocrititism". It's spelt Hipocrisy my linguistically challenged comrade.

Whichever way you look at it - the EDL are a bunch of white, shaven-headed fascist morons that thrive on attention (I doubt they got much as children) who simply want to beat on Muslims. That's just the way things are.

Parallex.

reply to post by Parallex


It appears the red mist may have set in, my personal opinion is that you may have lost a little rationality.

Don't worry though, i can keep my cool.

Thanks for the English language lesson though.

Linguistically challenged out.

Originally posted by logicalview
reply to post by Parallex

 

It appears the red mist may have set in, my personal opinion is that you may have lost a little rationality.

You are entirely correct - I do lose some rational thought when discussing the EDL. Does it mean I'm wrong? No.

Parallex.

Quite simply, the EDL are a far right group who prey on misapprehension, ignorance and fear to manipulate individuals who are largely disenfranchised from the mainstream of capitalist consumer society, under-educated, unemployed or underemployed due to the destruction of Britain's manufacturing base and who's families and extended social groups have failed to come to terms with the changing ethnic and cultural make up of the UK. They are unable to analyse society sufficiently well to see where their problems stem from, and fall back on the old chestnut of blaming brown or black people with funny names who pray differently.

The fact they do this is down to decades of manipulation and fascist intereference with the working classes by those propounding a neo-liberal economic world view. Some may call them the NWO or Illuminati, I would simply call them the fasco-capitalist powers.

Also, many are football hooligans who can no longer follow their teams as they did previously due to banning orders and such like. They just want a ruck.

I have seen the leader of the EDL interviewed, and he is an intelligent working class man who is clearly frustrated at the way the world is. Unfortunately, his education does not match his intelligence and he is misusing it.

Once upon a time these people would have been socialists, but due to the way the working classes in western society have been kept dumb and ignorant for several generations, they are mere consumers of rubbish goods and pernicious ideology from writers like Richard Littlejohn, and media such as Sky, the Sun and the Daily Mail.

safe blud