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posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Parallex
 


You have 'won' nothing!

All you succeeded in doing was stereotyping a whole group of people to suit your pre-conceived ideas without offering any supportive evidence at all.

You were shown to be inconsistent and contradictory when judging people and groups and refused to answer several questons which were directed at you.



Some people need to win in their own minds. Let him/her win.




posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by Fang
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Any information yet on which political parties are funding the UAF?




On 20/11/2008 Mirror columnist Brian Reade wrote, under a picture of Nick Griffin, to incite violence: I’m worried about the 12,000 BNP members whose names and addresses have been leaked on the internet. I pray their details don’t fall into the hands of any of those black radical groups known to take a very dim view of white neo-Nazis. It would be truly awful if anything nasty happened to these nice people wouldn’t it? How does the “Caste” finance their terror group? This is murky but some facts are emerging. The trade unions receive money from the government and channel some to the UAF. The government also gives a certain percentage of money to charities who then donate to Searchlight. This is using tax-payers money to attack the people who pay the taxes. The UAF proudly state they only get money from public donations but they receive money from Muslim Council of Britain who were not registered with the Charities Commission for a long time. The MCB’s total cumulative income up to 31 March 2004 was only £57,209. Now it has ballooned, leaving the suspicion that it is a major conduit of government funding to UAF – the Establishment’s own terror group.


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Still looking for direct links to the parties, but as the UAF have refused to speak openly about their funders when people have asked this will often prove difficult. Considering David Cameron, Neil Kinnock and many other MP's have or are members it is pretty reasonable to consider that they have provided funding in one way or another.



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 02:10 PM
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UAF do not receive public funds nor donations from political parties. You can check party donations online. The Socialist Workers Party MIGHT have gained control of the UAF, but it is not certainly financed by any political party.

There is no evidence the TUC finance the group via their modernization fund too.

[edit on 31-8-2010 by infinite]



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 02:13 PM
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What is weird is that on the charities commision site you can view the UAF's outgoings but from the quick look i have just had their income is not shown.


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posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by solidshot
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What is weird is that on the charities commision site you can view the UAF's outgoings but from the quick look i have just had their income is not shown.


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Even weirder, I can find no reference to the UAF (Unite Against Fascism) on the Charity Commission Website. There is the sinister sounding 'Uttoxeter Arts Festival' but that's it.



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Parallex
 


You have 'won' nothing!

All you succeeded in doing was stereotyping a whole group of people to suit your pre-conceived ideas without offering any supportive evidence at all.

You were shown to be inconsistent and contradictory when judging people and groups and refused to answer several questons which were directed at you.



Several rude, and downright stupid questions posted by you. And you should also know when someone is trying to wind you up...

Call it quits mate. You're a supporter of fascists, I'm (in your eyes) a disgusting commie. We're even.

Parallex.



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 06:18 PM
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Maybe you would like to say what one of our local conservative councillors had to say about the 'Unit against fascism' counter demonstration in Bradford

theviewfromcullingworth.blogspot.com...

"And I do not find UAF to be an especially appealing group with its focus on direct action, confrontation and “the streets”. Plus a divisive ‘if you’re not with us you’re against us’ attitude to those of us who refuse to get involved with organisations run by an extremist, ultra-left, anti-democratic political movement."



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 04:01 AM
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Originally posted by Fang

Originally posted by solidshot
reply to post by infinite
 



What is weird is that on the charities commision site you can view the UAF's outgoings but from the quick look i have just had their income is not shown.


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Even weirder, I can find no reference to the UAF (Unite Against Fascism) on the Charity Commission Website. There is the sinister sounding 'Uttoxeter Arts Festival' but that's it.


OOO ..and the plot thickens...be interesting to see the accounts? or would it, am I really interested.. well not looking for them I suppose. Do all Charities have to publish accounts..I think they do...but is it a Charity?

I wonder how long it will take Mr Cameron to take his name off the UAF site..



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 04:07 AM
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It's to protect individuals from the extreme right.

Oxfam never use to declare individuals, in fear of attack from animal rights extremists.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by BANANAMONTANA

OOO ..and the plot thickens...be interesting to see the accounts? or would it, am I really interested.. well not looking for them I suppose. Do all Charities have to publish accounts..I think they do...but is it a Charity?

I wonder how long it will take Mr Cameron to take his name off the UAF site..



As far as I know they are supposed to post their accounts? and I believe they are reputedly a charity (dunno how they managed to scam that one..) I have just done a quick check at the companies house website and they don't seem to be listed their either.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 04:17 AM
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I've never called you a commie.
I try my best not to pigeon hole people.

Rude questions?
I don't think they were rude.
You came into an open debate and started throwing wild accusations around stereotyping a whole group of people based purely on your pre-conceived ideas and I asked you a few related questions which you have chose not to answer, for whatever reason.

For the record; I don't support fascists and I am most definately not a racist.
I do however have concerns about the activites of Muslim extremists.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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EDL is no way racist.
One of the leaders is a Sikh!

The UAF are nothing more than Socialist students, the sort of teenager who beleives she is a lesbian to rebel against society.
UAF members are just like teenagers going through a stage of puberty not knowing what there actually fighting for.

Denying the EDL to have a voice is Facist.

The EDL go to large muslims areas to let them know we will not tolerate extremism, what would be the point of marching through a village with no muslims?

It wouldnt send a message



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 05:20 AM
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They are not listed on the Register of Charities. I doubt that they are a Charity.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
The EDL go to large muslims areas to let them know we will not tolerate extremism, what would be the point of marching through a village with no muslims?


Stereotyping the entire population is not justified.
Numerous Muslims do fantastic work in communities to tackle extremism, but you'll never hear about it because the press would rather write antipathies towards a group of people.

The Muslim Council of Great Britain published numerous publications, especially why Muslims should support the armed forces.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by infinite

Originally posted by Haydn_17
The EDL go to large muslims areas to let them know we will not tolerate extremism, what would be the point of marching through a village with no muslims?


Stereotyping the entire population is not justified.
Numerous Muslims do fantastic work in communities to tackle extremism, but you'll never hear about it because the press would rather write antipathies towards a group of people.

The Muslim Council of Great Britain published numerous publications, especially why Muslims should support the armed forces.


I agree in point many Muslims do and say many things that shun the extremism and their voices are not heard, but where is the news in that.

The Muslim Council of Great Britain is not one of them, the signing of the Istanbul Declaration resulted in legal threats and resulted in Labour bringing them back into the fold. Cameron has strong objections against Daud Abdullah.

www.iengage.org.uk...



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by infinite

The Muslim Council of Great Britain published numerous publications, especially why Muslims should support the armed forces.



It also condoned violence against Israel and potentially our troops.


The council's deputy secretary-general, Daud Abdullah, signed a declaration last month that the government and critics of the MCB have interpreted as calling for violence against Israel and condoning attacks on British troops.


Guardian

Times



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
The EDL go to large muslims areas to let them know we will not tolerate extremism, what would be the point of marching through a village with no muslims?


Indeed, what would be the point of a group based on football hooligan "firms" going to a place where they couldn't stir up any trouble...eh?



Nope. Far better to go to places where they can possibly start a ruck, and waste thousands of pounds of taxpayers money in the process of doing so....



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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You have 'won' nothing!

All you succeeded in doing was stereotyping a whole group of people to suit your pre-conceived ideas without offering any supportive evidence at all.

You were shown to be inconsistent and contradictory when judging people and groups and refused to answer several questons which were directed at you.



Couldn't have put it better myself.


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posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Parallex
 


You have 'won' nothing!

All you succeeded in doing was stereotyping a whole group of people to suit your pre-conceived ideas without offering any supportive evidence at all.

You were shown to be inconsistent and contradictory when judging people and groups and refused to answer several questons which were directed at you.



Couldn't have put it better myself.


2nd line


Don't be such a moron. Contribute to the discussion, don't just sit there and act like a facetious child.

Parallex.

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posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Insults eh?

I did contribute a few pages back. Learn to read and stop insulting those who disagree with your opinions.

Thanks for the foe by the way. Always brings a smile to my face.



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