Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by Jechu
Well... I don't think that is really "new news". It is "known" that the CIA trained, paid and gave weapons to Bin-Laden when the Afghan war
against the Russians.
Glad you put "known" in quotes there, since no such thing is known, and the facts are quite the opposite. I've already posted extensively about
this particular bit of disinformation, or noninformation, or, more properly, LIE all over ATS, and I grow tired of repeating myself to those who will
Believe what you will, I actually do KNOW better. That, of course, doesn't mean that you can't believe in any fantasy that floats your boat. You are
most welcome to.
CIA also trained, paid and gave weapons to the "Contras" in central america,
That they did, and did pretty well. I'm still trying to figure out where the problem with that is. Actually, the only problem that I can find is that
the CIA should have done it right the first time, and sent more people in against the Sandinistas before they managed to take over, rather than
trusting the job to a few independents, who had their own little games to run.
I can't speak to that, having no actual knowledge of those events, but your track record is 50/50 so far, so maybe, maybe not.
and Pinochet in Chile, paid to get Chavez out of the government in Venezuela (but failed some days later).
Some say even Montesinos (right hand of Pres. Fujimori from Peru) was CIA.
So yes, I wouldn't doubt Osama is (or was) CIA,
Bin laden is not now, nor ever was, CIA. What he IS is a convenient excuse to get things done that properly ought not BE done. That's the only reason
he still breathes - because he provides a convenient scapegoat for events that are now far out of his reach. Yes, they DO appear to be working
together on the surface, but the end goals of each is vastly different. Rather than working together, they are more akin to strangers travelling in
the same direction who have not actually gotten to the forks of the road.
Fidel is right again.
AGAIN? When was he ever right the first time?
[edit on 2010/8/27 by nenothtu]
Well, some would disagree...
The BBC, in an article published shortly after the 9/11 attacks, stated that bin Laden "received security training from the CIA itself, according to
Middle Eastern analyst Hazhir Teimourian."
In a 2003 article, Michael Powelson of the Russian journal Demokratizatsiya wrote:
It is difficult to believe that the United States played no role in the operations of the son of one of the wealthiest men in Saudi Arabia. Indeed, it
is much more likely that the United States knew full-well of bin Laden's operation and gave it all the support they could.
A 2004 BBC article entitled "Al-Qaeda's origins and links", the BBC wrote:
During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security
training from the CIA.
In a 2006 InDepth piece on Osama Bin Laden, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation published that,
Bin Laden apparently received training from the CIA, which was backing the Afghan holy warriors – the mujahedeen – who were tying down Soviet
forces in Afghanistan.
A Der Spiegel article in 2007, entitled "Arming the Middle East", Siegesmund von Ilsemann called Bin Laden "one of the CIA's best weapons
Hillary Clinton has mentioned funding Islamic extremists "the people we are fighting today we funded twenty years ago", she explains that this has
included recruiting "Mujahideen" and importing the "Wahabi brand of Islam" from Saudi Arabia , but she did not mention Osama bin Laden
personally neither the CIA.
According to ABC News correspondent John K. Cooley, the Carter Administration allowed Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, later revealed as one of the
conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, to come to the U.S. to recruit Arab-Americans to fight in Afghanistan against the
Andrew Marshall, a journalist for The Independent newspaper describes the Al Kifah Refugee Center in Brooklyn, which raised money and trained foreign
volunteers for Afghanistan, "a place of pivotal importance to Operation Cyclone, the American effort to support the mujahideen," and also the place
where several of those "connected" with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing were "recruited."
According to author Steve Coll,
Overall, the U.S. government looked favorably on the Arab recruitment drives. ... Some of the most ardent cold warriors at [CIA headquarters at]
Langley thought this program should be formally endorsed and extended. ... [T]he CIA "examined ways to increase their participation, perhaps in the
form of some sort of international brigade" ... Robert Gates [then-head of the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence] recalled. ... At the [CIA's]
Islamabad station [station chief] Milt Bearden felt that bin Laden himself "actually did some very good things" by putting money into
Robin Cook, former leader of the British House of Commons and Foreign Secretary from 1997-2001, believed the CIA had provided arms to the Arab
Mujahideen, including Osama bin Laden, writing, "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies.
Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan."
In conversation with former British Defence Secretary Michael Portillo, two-time Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto said Osama bin Laden was
initially pro-American. Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia, has also stated that bin Laden appreciated the United States help in
Afghanistan. On CNN's Larry King program he said:
Bandar bin Sultan: This is ironic. In the mid-'80s, if you remember, we and the United - Saudi Arabia and the United States were supporting the
Mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. He [Osama bin Laden] came to thank me for my efforts to bring the Americans, our friends, to help
us against the atheists, he said the communists. Isn't it ironic?
Larry King: How ironic. In other words, he came to thank you for helping bring America to help him.
Bandar bin Sultan: Right.
Monte Palmer, senior fellow at the al-Ahram Center for Strategic Studies in Cairo, believes that "it now appears that the American-sponsored jihad in
Afghanistan was the first step in transforming the jihadist movements of Egypt, Iran, and Pakistan into an international network capable of
challenging the United States. A coalescing of the jihadist movement would have occurred with or without Afghanistan, but the Afghan experience
accelerated this process by years if not decades."
According to Iranian state-owned Press TV, FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, who has been fired from the agency for disclosing sensitive information, has
claimed the United States was on intimate terms with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, using them to further certain goals in Central Asia.
According to author David N. Gibbs "a considerable body of circumstantial evidence suggests ... direct Agency support for Bin Laden’s
activities." Both Bin Laden and the CIA "held accounts in the Bank for Credit and Commerce International (BCCI)." "Bin Laden worked
especially closely with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar" who Gibbs calls "the CIA’s favored Mujahiddin commander". Gibbs quotes Le Monde as saying
bin Laden was "recruited by the CIA" in 1979,  Associated Press as saying a former bin Laden aide told them that in 1989 the U.S. shipped
high-powered sniper rifles to a Mujahiddin faction that included bin Laden, and Jane’s Intelligence Review as stating Bin Laden "worked in
close association with U.S. agents" in raising money for the Mujahiddin from "vast family connections" near the Pakistan-Afghanistan
Munir Akram, Permanent Representative of Pakistan to the United Nations from 2002 to 2008, wrote in a letter published in the New York Times on
January 19, 2008:
"The strategy to support the Afghans against Soviet military intervention was evolved by several intelligence agencies, including the C.I.A. and
Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. After the Soviet withdrawal, the Western powers walked away from the region, leaving behind 40,000 militants
imported from several countries to wage the anti-Soviet jihad. Pakistan was left to face the blowback of extremism, drugs and guns.” 
[edit on 27-8-2010 by VenusOnTheHalfShell]