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Can Mod's input influence threads?

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posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 09:04 AM
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Personally, I've probably handed out more applauses to those who DISAGREE with me, more than those that do, when they back it up with good evidence and arguments.

It's a DISCUSSION site, not an agreement site. If we all agreed, there would be no intelligent discussion.

It helps to understand why someone is a mod.
1. They care about the site, and it's success.
2. They show knowledge and intelligence about the subjects discussed here.
3. They show the ability to remain calm, even when being taken to task.
4. They show the capacity for fairness.

These are the things the staff looks for when suggesting/creating new mods.

It does NOT mean than any mod's opinion is any more or less important than any other member, and should not be taken that way. Any member (mods included) opinion should be judged on that member's previous input...not any kind of role here on the board.




Correct, but now you have the ability to hinder me opinion, as I do not you.

I do not have the ability to hinder what you say or what you do , as I cannot police your words and the contents of the T&C of ATS.


This is incorrect. Use the complaint feature.

As a member, it is your right to call out a mod if you believe he or she is acting in a way not consistent with the terms and conditions of this site (or is abusing mod powers). He or she can (and will) receive the same actions as taken with any other member. (i.e. Mods have been warned, post-banned, banned, etc.). Sure, it is rare, but it does happen. (I've even received a warn or two, since...
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[edit on 27-8-2010 by Gazrok]




posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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So, why am I unable to star any comments on this thread? I can flag it, but I cannot star any comments. Is this a site gliltch or is it a moderator control that has been disabled?



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 09:12 AM
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There are no "stars" in the Board Business & Questions forum.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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Because it is BTS....



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by 12m8keall2c
reply to post by Nivcharah
 


There are no "stars" in the Board Business & Questions forum.


Really?



93 stars just for you my reptilian friend!



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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I posted on a Thread in response to a Moderator whose post showed the border indicating that the Moderator would not actively moderate due to their participation.

I did feel justified by my comments but perhaps I was a bit hasty in my reply and I received a U2U stating that my comments were "a low blow". I apologized publicly and will never comment on another moderator's post again.

I am not comfortable dealing with someone that cannot take it as a so-called "low blow" publicly when they feel they want to be treated as everyone else on a public forum. Perhaps it had more to do with generational differences of opinion but why shouldn't that be handled publicly rather through U2U as a means of helping another understand our different viewpoints? I was intimidated by the U2U coming from a Moderator, I have to admit.

I am half-blind in that I do not always see the full sentence and the meaning can become confusing for me as I try to grasp another's intentions. I still do not think I said anything "blowing", high or low, and I still do not understand where I got his message confused.

To me it is sort of like meeting a cop outside of his capacity or duties and asking you to be honest with him while flashing his badge across his chest..yeah right! Needless to say I told that moderator that I thought he was a bit of a socialist by his public comments (by U2U), but that came off wrong too because socialism today, Obama's Socialism, is less the socialism I used to know and I do not know how else to refer to it (I guess I should have said "Social Progressive"; I felt like I was talking to a Parent that wanted to spank me even though the words were masked in half-kind, half put-off sort of way.

I diffused it by publicly apologizing and I pray never to ever be put in that position again because it did not help me learn anything of value in my stance or thoughts. I really did not need to hear the Moderator say that he would not be participating in that post any longer as a result of me and my thoughts. That hurts because I am new here and I am not a Seasoned Poster. Anyways, I won't ever post on this guy again, I learned my lesson fast enough what ever that lesson could be. Maybe it was that Moderators do not like to be told anything publicly was my lesson, I don't know. All I do know is that I apologized, I should hope that was enough; if I lose out on being recognized in my attempts at participation here it is still irrelevant to me, but I am trying to fit in as I think most of us genuinely are.

Perhaps I have a bit of ATSPTSD!


[edit on 8/27/2010 by Greensage]



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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I just wanted to stop in and influence this thread.
Later.

Peace



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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sure they can. i'm not saying this is a bad thing, or relaying an opinion that they should stop participating, but using my own thread as an example. when a mod joined in and blatantly called me a thief, i do believe the thread changed course.
i hope i don't get scolded for my opinion here.

arrested.......apples



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 01:35 PM
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NoRegretsEver:

I'd like a link to the thread in question in the OP. I find it very hard to believe that one of our staffers did what has been described in this thread.

You can u2u it to me if you want to keep it private.

Thanks.

Springer...



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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That's disheartening, and I sincerely hope that was not the moderator's intention (doubt it was...was likely just a heated thread)...

While I don't know the story about this incident, all I can do is state my disappointment in the outcome of it.

No member should feel worried about commenting in a thread where a mod is participating. Ever. That's NOT why we exist. We're here to facilitate the discussion, not stifle it.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by NoRegretsEver
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That's what I mean. We are not fully aware of those that police us. I'm sorry , but its true.

Peace.


True. One mod on another site was drunk all the time and abusive.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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If the comment was simply that you had dealt them a low blow, it was most likely meant as an off topic comment that they did not want to derail the thread, if it was something more, I am sure if you discuss this with another Mod, a site administrator or an owner, they can help you out, and make you feel more comfortable conversing with Mods as in future discussions in threads.

If you are here long enough you will see friends moved into the position of Mods and you will notice that for the most part their posting behavior does not change much, aside from the occasional warnings that they hand out for being off topic, etc.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 01:59 PM
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If anyone says, "I'm no longer posting here, I don't want to get banned" that means that they either don't get the ATS way or that have no basis for their stance. NO ONE is banned for having a differing point of view. That would be pointless in our user generated system. Cut off our nose to spite our face? ATS is growing and that's because we don't pull that crap like you see on sites like GLP.

Here EVERYONE has an opinion and they are accepted, with thanks from above. Without the members ATS would be a ghost town. That said there are others as well. Those that "gotta fight the man". That's annoying as hell. I saw it recently on the ATS FB thread but it's been going on longer than that. Just have to stab those that are working for you.

Can a mod influence a thread? Probably. I know them. Well read, paranoid members.
Are you influenced by their title? Don't be. Either positively or negatively. Don't be afraid to voice your opposing opinion. Don't just crap in their corn flakes either. They are just members too.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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Of course the mods opinions can influence a thread.Didnt you that the ATS mods are in fact the internet gods?
dont anger the ''gods''
you'll recieve a post banning



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by NoRegretsEver

I voice my opinion all the time. And I tend to have rather unpopular opinions. I cant even count on my hands (and I have all 20 digits) how many times members have disagreed with me and voiced their disagreement. I know I am not the only one.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it. I seriously doubt that my opinion on a topic could derail a thread.

As said above....staff are members too and we go about our lives just like everyone else and have thoughts and opinions on things just like everyone else. And believe it or not, not all staff have the same thoughts/opinions on topics. We are incredibly diverse - more so than the UN I'm sure



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 02:41 PM
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Mods are people too.

If a mod is posting heavily in one thread it is probably because it is a topic that they care a lot about. Just like the rest of us. Most of us only post on topics in which we have an interest and/or an opinion. The only other time you see a lot of mod involvement in a thread is when they are doing their job, moderating a thread that is spinning out of control.

Mods are influential, and can swing the direction of a thread, both because some of them are very good at argument, and because some non-mod members have a tendency to side with the mods for brownie points at every opportunity.

Neither of which reflects on the mod negatively. Good for them if they are good at argumentation, and can make a persuasive argument. And they certainly cant be held responsible for the fact that some people are so starstruck with the idea of popularity and power on an internet discussion board that they will fall all over themselves whenever a mod appears to get it.

I think that authors of threads need to realize that when you make that initial post, you dont get to control the whole thread. You toss an idea out there, and after that it sort of takes on a life of its own. Or not and it fizzles and dies.

If you genuinely think a mod is going off topic repeatedly and derailing your thread, hit the alert button and say so. It could happen in theory that a mod was genuinely derailing your thread, but just having a different opinion than the OP is not derailing.

Cheers.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
And they certainly cant be held responsible for the fact that some people are so starstruck with the idea of popularity and power on an internet discussion board that they will fall all over themselves whenever a mod appears to get it.


I've never gotten that either. We're all members, bottom line. Staff just have an added responsibility. It may be something from gaming sites. I still don't get it.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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I dont get it either. But I dont get it in society just as much as I dont get it on discussion boards, because the jockeying for position is sure not limited to ATS.

Power is highly overrated. If you think about all the good stuff it can get for you, you should never be given it, because you misunderstand it.

Power=Responsibility, not privilege.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 03:03 PM
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There are many valuable pointers in avoiding personalization trappings by being a member of ATS.

Think of every post as you look at it as part substance part noise ... the post itself is the substance all the little letters and graphics around it, like avatars, member username, flag bars, date joined, post count, stars, applause, staff designation, fighter/writer/scholar, title lines, etc, are noise.

Which part of any post one focuses on or gets 'influenced' by, or to which degree one focuses on the substance part relative to the noise part, is a matter of personal choice. Being aware of this one can exert the will to focus on the substance and disregard the noise. Not being aware of it one gets easily distracted by the noise and gets distracted from the substance.

In the end, the stuff wrapped around the post to distract, like who's posting and what all their tags and metrics are, is irrelevant ... the substance, if any, lies within the post itself and is the only relevant 'thing' to interact with. That is in fact the greatest upshot of internet forum communication, for if understood, one can depersonalize the whole dynamic and focus solely on substance.

Some would say that the above is a sound approach beyond the borders of ATS.

[edit on 27 Aug 2010 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 06:54 PM
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Yes, this is very true on many levels. I must admit that any Avatar which flashes at me with lines or squigglies can cause my brain to interpret the intent differently, much the same as I am effected by music in the real world.

I should also note that I find that too often I am associating a created thread with the actual belief of the creator and this is wrong. I am jumping to conclusions as a result of my own misinterpretations. I will definitely try to rid myself of this misnomer. Posts are created by interest or intrigue and not by belief or personal opinion.

If my "favorite" Moderator reads this I want you to know I did not apologize to appease you but rather to "exit safely" in my own way; so hopefully I can be judged fairly in any future attempts at communicating. I didn't mean to make it sound like I had that door closed.

After re-reading my post here today I realize now how this too can be taken as "below the belt", but trust me the wording is not mine since I wouldn't be capable of such an act. I only used it because it is so foreign of a concept for me. It reminds me of how I perceive the wording "on the hook", I can never get the visual out of my head.

OK, I am rambling, but wanted to say that this was a valid point on behalf of schrodingers dog. Thanks!



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