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Our country is no longer strong. It is a false strength borrowed from abroad in the form of trillions in money we will never be able to repay.
Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by hotbakedtater
hotbakedtater,
Great thread S+F
You see the problem I have is that between all the illegal immigrants coming to a country there are always one or two that actually have a good excuse for entering the country illegal.
Therefor you cannot dismiss an entire group of people because they did something illegal. You do have to separate and screen them but you have the obligation (ethically) to take them in if they need shelter.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
That is why I feel if you are Pro America, then it should be a source of pride and comfort to you that your strong beloved compassionate country can do a fine job of supporting not only its own people but show the world we care about ALL who enter our doors.
If you disagree, then you must be anti America, for the reasons I laid out.
Well they are different in the majority of them are living life just like you and me, working, raising a family, contributing to the economy by spending thier wages, paying taxes (yes illegals are taxed all the time, every purchase they make generates tax income), being coworkers and friends.
Originally posted by Danbones
I think that being invaded by some thirty million illegal aliens, while having thirty million unemployed doesn't make any sence.
Especially when you get stopped at the northern boarder and not allowed in just because you don't know for certain what store you are going to shop at.
Essential to being an American is being a law abiding citizen...
"Illegal" invaders, ooops excuse me, "immigrants" fulfill that requirement how?
PS
the huns, the mongols, the romans, the germans, the japanese, the barbarians that sacked rome, etc, were different from the 30 million illegal immigrants how?
Originally posted by SM2
part of what makes America great, at least in my opinion, is that we are "A nation of laws, not of men". So, if your first act upon entering the USA is to break a few laws, then in my opinion, you need to be deported.
Now let me clarify, I am not anti immigrant, we need immigrants, I welcome immigrants. How could anyone want to persecute a person for trying to better their own, or their family's life? There is a proper and legal way to come to this country, and to let the illegals in and not hold them to the same standards as anyone else who breaks the law of the land is distinctly anti american. As America is supposed to be "equal justice for all". The illegal immigrants also cheapen the accomplishment of those that do work hard to come here legally.
Originally posted by Myendica
you are fos. I dont like illegals, because they are doing it illegally. if they came here the rright way, I wouldnt mind. get your info straight.
my grandparents , and father had to register, and file for residency and citizenship to come here, so should they.
i dont like the system. not the people. b amaerican you wanna be
They do enrich my life, every time I eat in my great country, I have an illegal to thank for my bounty. From steak to salad, do not think the feast you and I are so lucky to put in our bellies tonight did not first pass through the hand of an illegal, hired by a criminal to put food on our table at slave wages.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
reply to post by hotbakedtater
I think your theory is flawed. Why? Because The USA can still be the great country you speak of without the need to permit Illegal Immigrants. It seems like you are implying that Illegal Immigrants enrich the lives of Legal Immigrants, which makes little sense.
I think your heart is in the right place, but your theory is still fundamentally flawed.
[edit on 26/8/2010 by Dark Ghost]
Originally posted by starsyren
reply to post by HoldTheBeans
I agree. Coming to this country by means that are not legal is like obtaining money by means that are not legal. Oh wait...that IS EXACTLY what these people are doing! They're coming here ILLEGALLY to obtain money and run off with it.
Sound like the very definition of CRIMINAL to me!
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Well they are different in the majority of them are living life just like you and me, working, raising a family, contributing to the economy by spending thier wages, paying taxes (yes illegals are taxed all the time, every purchase they make generates tax income), being coworkers and friends.
If our country is so weak why are people willing to risk coming here illegally to live in it?
Originally posted by badgerprints
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
That is why I feel if you are Pro America, then it should be a source of pride and comfort to you that your strong beloved compassionate country can do a fine job of supporting not only its own people but show the world we care about ALL who enter our doors.
If you disagree, then you must be anti America, for the reasons I laid out.
I disagree with you in oh so many ways.
I am not anti-America. I really don't care what you "FEEL".
Our country is no longer strong. It is a false strength borrowed from abroad in the form of trillions in money we will never be able to repay.
America is not compassionate. It discriminates against the citizens who abide by the law and pay their taxes.
Pride means nothing when it is based on lies.
Comfort...? Are you kidding yourself or the rest of us?
Show the world we care?
About who? Anyone but Americans?
I'm glad this is all based on your feelings and no one is actually forced to agree with you.
If our country is so weak why are people willing to risk coming here illegally to live in it?
Originally posted by badgerprints
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
That is why I feel if you are Pro America, then it should be a source of pride and comfort to you that your strong beloved compassionate country can do a fine job of supporting not only its own people but show the world we care about ALL who enter our doors.
If you disagree, then you must be anti America, for the reasons I laid out.
I disagree with you in oh so many ways.
I am not anti-America. I really don't care what you "FEEL".
Our country is no longer strong. It is a false strength borrowed from abroad in the form of trillions in money we will never be able to repay.
America is not compassionate. It discriminates against the citizens who abide by the law and pay their taxes.
Pride means nothing when it is based on lies.
Comfort...? Are you kidding yourself or the rest of us?
Show the world we care?
About who? Anyone but Americans?
I'm glad this is all based on your feelings and no one is actually forced to agree with you.
Hiring an illegal human is a crime and criminal. I put my efforts into villainizing the REAL criminals not the humans doing slave work for peanuts.
Originally posted by normal_human_being
i support illegal visitors making the effort to eventually become legalized, taxpaying citizens like the rest of us. if you want the benefits - then you can damn well become part of the club - and everyone is eligible, no discrimination!
remaining an illegal is, well, not a very American thing to do, IMO. it is criminal in any country on this Earth.
If the criminal employers were paying the proper taxes on the slaves they illegally hire and put to work, then a lot of our debt could be fixed.
Originally posted by badgerprints
reply to post by operation mindcrime
Unfortunately my friend,
Yes. it is that bad. Most of the population is living in a dreamworld where some politician will come along and take care of them if they just vote for the right slimeball.
Also,
The taxes taken from citizens don't even cover handouts from the government and interest on what we owe. The rest of the world has hundreds of billions a year in handouts and military support from the "USA" but the citizens are hammered on taxes and marginalized as threats to the present administration because they don't agree with millionaire politicians and billionaire bankers and businessmen.
Yes.
It is that bad.