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Originally posted by VirginiaRisesYetAgain
reply to post by pteridine
The "line" is drawn where the dictionary puts the words. The definition is in the OP.
You're just trying to combat the fact that these separate government groups couldn't come to a common conclusion. Yet they are all still government reports. It's something you're going to have to learn to accept.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
Interesting topic I guess.. Where to start?
Basic Historical background - Contrary to what people want to believe, this is not the first attempt to bring the World Trade Center down. It was tried in 1993 using a truck bomb in the parking garage.
Both planes fully loaded with fuel for a cross country flight. Both hitting the respective towers at over 500mph. Engineering reports have stated that the impact stripped the fire proofing off the steal.
Check the design of the WTC buildings themselves. The design was unique in that it didn’t utilize many support columns in order to create as much open / free space on each floor.
The fire - In a controlled setting anyone can prove that jet fuel alone would not have caused the structural burning / failure issue. However, I point out that the rashes were not controlled tests. There are variables involved that cannot possibly be taken into account.
Again, the design of the floors would have created a pancake affect going down as the structure was compromised. When this starts, you will get a high air pressure below the collapse, as its being caused by the collapse itself.
No amount of controlled testing will ever be able to reproduce what occurred that day. People can try as much as they want it’s not going to happen
People have put out videos showing people talking about hearing secondary explosions... I don’t doubt them, but I do take exception to the spin. The next time you are in downtown New York city.. Next chance you get, point out the power lines to me. There are power generating stations, along with transformer, etc built into the larger buildings. A transformer does not have to get hit back anything to cause it to explode (documented).
WT7 - Was hit by falling debris from the Trade Center collapse. Included on several floors of building 7 there were massive fuel storage containers
Again, factor in explosions from debris hitting the building
fires burning out of control.
You can get a collapse out of it.
The theory that this was an inside job and that the Government is covering it up is laughable to me for the simple fact they could never keep it a secret.
In addition to the Fed reports, check NYPD, and the Port Authority of NY/NJ who also did their investigation.
Next time someone denies that an official story exists, show them the definition of those words, or redirect them to this thread.
I don't suspect the "debunkers" are going to be very motivated to argue with a dictionary, but it's not like I haven't been baffled by their obtuseness before.
then why are the conspiracist so desperate to proove it? What is the diference between them?
It is like religious-atheist endless debate, one group desperately trying to prove the existence of god, and on group trying to desperately disprove his existence.
What is with everybody from both sides having this uncontrolable obsession to convince the others for their beliefs.
I couldn't care less if someone does not believe or want to debunk the 9/11 conspiracy or any other conspiracy for that matter, why should i care?
Don't you think these discussions are just pointless?