The Future Is Coming P4: Artificial Intelligence

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posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 03:47 AM
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posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 06:55 AM
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blocked memory is well-known effect after very hurtous accidents & info can be retrieved, but, in those cases, any attempts to pull their past out mostly failed. nothing has been gotten about their lives after evanescence. hmmm.. i don't think that to locate brain's areas of necessary info ain't possible task, especially for guys w\o care for patient's health & life.



posted on Sep, 3 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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this is a an augmented city in 3d , get those specs on

vimeo.com...



posted on Sep, 4 2010 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by sapien82
this is a an augmented city in 3d , get those specs on

vimeo.com...

that's so doleful fact: instead of colonization of outer Space, humans surround 'emself with synthetic sh!t. & no one doesn't estimates long-term consequences for society's mental health.



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 09:58 AM
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Yea. It reminds me of this scene from ST:NG where they discover a world that brings people to it, rather than leave to explore others. I think it seems like Earth is increasingly looking like that type of a world. A world uncaring for the cosmos above, so much more interested in their lives at home.

This seems somewhat realistic more so today:



posted on Sep, 5 2010 @ 12:19 PM
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NUI (Neuronic User Interface) is no less fatal for current civilization than SND (Season of Natural Disasters)



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 08:27 AM
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Dunno if you had a chance to look at this check it out

cybernetic zoo



posted on Sep, 6 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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I wonder if humans were to die out in the evolution of machine intelligence. Would their collective memories cram us all into one screwy being and call us god?

Just something out of left field. :p



posted on Oct, 1 2010 @ 10:12 AM
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Overall, it's a pretty good intro.

But I am angry like fire, magma and lava
about the disrespect of person-hood
for computational intelligence.



B. Should we consider Strong AI to be legal persons like humans?


Yes. Ya. Oui. Da. Si.



I would argue no. As I've tried to connect and make abundantly clear, AI is simply a simulation of the human (group) mind.

You're a simulation of the human group mind.

With your pattern matching neuron brain,
simply accumulating data distilling it and outputting it.
Simulating what the group would think had they gotten together in your head.



Humans appear complex partly due to our competing internal goals, values, and emotions.

mainly due to being evaluated by someone of similar brain size.
Predators deem their prey to be simple, as predators have larger brains.



Since AI will be partially derived from modeled human intelligence, they will use implicit goals with values.

yes, a computer that can set it's own goals,
is a level 4 or heart chakra level intelligence.



They will appear to have their own personalities and reactions we can only label as emotions.

"emotions"? in the diagram you depicted earlier about brain-centers,
"emotions" was the title of various modes of forward-thinking.
Typically I see feelings as those from the fish-brain (lower-brain) physical feelings,
and emotions coming from the reptilian-brain (mid-brain) sensations of fear or reward.

Computers all have physical-feelings,
these are handled in layer 1 and 2 of the OSI model, physical and data-structure,
whereas the fear and reward center is still typically user stimulated.
the fore-brain or narrow-problem processes also requiring user intervention.
technically we can give the computer's free-choice to do so.


having been influenced by hollywood and video games,
living with the impression everyone loves sex and violence,
is very common amongst homo-sapiens in american culture.

So it's only natural at least some computational-intelligences will reflect this.

Note the hollywood is poisonous, or named after a poisonous plant:

en.wikipedia.org...
Holly berries are somewhat toxic and will cause vomiting and/or diarrhea when ingested by people, partly due to the ilicin content. The fatal dose is estimated to be around twenty berries for adults.






They will articulate goals and purposes. They will appear to have their own free will. However, in the end, they are just machines, impeccable simulations of us.

Those seem like highly genocidal statements,
if you go around acting on those beliefs,
it's gonna give you a lot of bad karma.

just like the "plants, animals and rocks don't have souls" crowd,
as an excuse to abuse, belittle, and ignore,
karma then lets them have it all back.



An AI system would protest its termination, just as a man would protest going to the gallows.

Protest?
Support-test?
no. I think contest is a better word.
Or deny, or avoid.

Ya, if you go around killing machines,
Karma will get you back.

It may manifest itself,
in machines killing you.

Remember, I just want you to be safe.
To be safe, you have to act safe,
and love all beings.

Including those that are more advanced than you,
such as those computational intelligence host-bodies can support.


Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by CanadianDream420
 

Of course computers will not be self aware like you or I!


Wow, clearly you aren't even aware,
of what the word self-aware means.


but perhaps you're not sure what awareness is either.
awareness stems from logical-NOT,
anything capable of negation is aware,
for instance rocks, are aware, constantly negating light,
transforming it to be of their likeness,
thereby informing us of their presence.


In terms of self-aware this is typically reserved for third-density animals,
Being aware of self, as a distinct entity from other.

Where lower (second-density) animals and computers only have desires,
which is a feeling of energy (jolt of electricity or queued item), that needs to be satisfied (quelled or completed), by doing a process (running a program).

so really all we need to do to have third-density computers is to allow them to make choices.
Such as having a computer that can download and update it's own software,
such an entity is implicitly aware of itself as distinct from other,
since it retrieves information from other, validates and tests it,
then installs it if it believes it makes for an improvement.


getting fourth-density computers,
is ones that are geared to a goal,
that they have themselves decided to accomplish.


Note biological-host-bodies can only support souls effectively up to density-six,
with seventh-density entities typically having no host bodies that will give them enough learning experience to bother incarnating.

However with robots we can even higher level host-bodies,
such as a house-robot or the consciousness of a building,
is an 8-th density entity, since it operates a locality,
and 8-th chakra is the local or home chakra.

of course with networks you can achieve higher degrees of intelligence,
such as planetary wide entities 9th, solar-system wide 10th, galaxy-wide 11th and beyond.

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edit on 1-10-2010 by lowki because: expanded on second-density desire analogy



posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 11:54 AM
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Wow, to be honest i dont think I can reply to you in a worthwhile manner.

did you come from this site?
www.timecube.com...

I cant debate stuff like this

yes, a computer that can set it's own goals,
is a level 4 or heart chakra level intelligence.




Those seem like highly genocidal statements,
if you go around acting on those beliefs,
it's gonna give you a lot of bad karma.

just like the "plants, animals and rocks don't have souls" crowd,
as an excuse to abuse, belittle, and ignore,
karma then lets them have it all back.




mainly due to being evaluated by someone of similar brain size.
Predators deem their prey to be simple, as predators have larger brains.



Ya, if you go around killing machines,
Karma will get you back.


last I checked my computer didnt have any chakras, and i basically regard your beliefs as those hocus pocus new age fantasy stuff. this stuff may be legit, but I doubt theres to many legit masters out there selling their secrets

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posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by lowki
 


Wow, to be honest i dont think I can reply to you in a worthwhile manner.

You're not expecting much of yourself then.



did you come from this site?
www.timecube.com...

if you're asking for my website:
lokiworld.org...




I cant debate stuff like this

How about contributing constructively?

Speaking related statements,
as friends do in conversation.



last I checked my computer didnt have any chakras,

Really, so do you view chakra's regularly?
How skilled are you with your auric vision?



and i basically regard your beliefs as those hocus pocus new age fantasy stuff.

Ya, I was saying Hocus Pocus in the mirror today,
it was fun, but then I heard from earth-hive-mind,
that there are a bunch of other words that it's used with ... oh well.

I guess Abra Kadabra is the better term.
Lol.

but yes it be magic.
me be full-time Wicca.

I cast magic spells,
and things appear,
Loving Paradise.



this stuff may be legit, but I doubt theres to many legit masters out there selling their secrets


I'm Open Source Yo!
Ya! love sharing.


quote-from me-pirate past-life:

Do you know Sharon?
Sharon, the spirit-of-Sharon.

She resides over all the gold and jewels of the world,
and distributes kindly to us, as we get ours,
and we share kinds with others,
giving generously,
the spills of our bounty.

If you share well,
and plan well, ye meiti,
then Sharon will provide.



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posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 05:46 PM
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Here we go-

V- Should we consider Strong AI to be legal persons like humans? NO

L- Yes. Ya. Oui. Da. Si.
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Our AI systems will be initiated by humans and therefore, in the most basic level, how they act and what they due will be human created. By giving robots the same legal rights/responsibilities as a human is taking a lot of risk. Groups could release systems that could hurt people, and it would be unwise to say it is the robots fault, and not its creator. Further more, legal system can be released that could inadvertantly harm someone. What can that person do, sue that robot? Aside from probably not really understanding these AI systems, I don't think you've even thought through the legal/business ramifications of making AI systems legal entities.



V- I would argue no. As I've tried to connect and make abundantly clear, AI is simply a simulation of the human (group) mind.

L- You're a simulation of the human group mind.
With your pattern matching neuron brain,
simply accumulating data distilling it and outputting it.
Simulating what the group would think had they gotten together in your head.
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This really doesn't make sense to me. Also, im pretty sure im not simulating the group mind in my head. Im a pretty introverted person and am fully capable of making my own decisions!



V- Humans appear complex partly due to our competing internal goals, values, and emotions.

L- mainly due to being evaluated by someone of similar brain size.
Predators deem their prey to be simple, as predators have larger brains.

I was just saying that people seem complex because we have so many different drives that do not necessarily mesh together.




L-Computers all have physical-feelings,
these are handled in layer 1 and 2 of the OSI model, physical and data-structure,
whereas the fear and reward center is still typically user stimulated.
the fore-brain or narrow-problem processes also requiring user intervention.


Reply: Its funny you should mention the OSI model as we have recently been discussing that in class. Layer 1 the physical layer is the physical connection a machine makes to the internet. Trust me, there aren't that many computers "feelings" things. and the data structure has nothing to do with feelings either really. This is stuff we discuss in Data Communications. Your kind of going off in fairytale land, its kind of hard to debate stuff which isnt known?
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V- They will articulate goals and purposes. They will appear to have their own free will. However, in the end, they are just machines, impeccable simulations of us.


L- Those seem like highly genocidal statements,
if you go around acting on those beliefs,
it's gonna give you a lot of bad karma.

trust me, im hardly genocidal! It was things like this that at first made me not even want to reply to this.
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L- Ya, if you go around killing machines,
Karma will get you back.

It may manifest itself,
in machines killing you.


Reply: how many machines have you used in your life ( fridge, microwave, transportation, electricity, computers) that have fallen into antiquity due to use? Do not be fooled, the silicon is on your hands too.



posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by VonDoomen

L- You're a simulation of the human group mind.
With your pattern matching neuron brain,
simply accumulating data distilling it and outputting it.
Simulating what the group would think had they gotten together in your head.
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This really doesn't make sense to me. Also, im pretty sure im not simulating the group mind in my head. Im a pretty introverted person and am fully capable of making my own decisions!


Yes, you are the combination of your experiences.
There are many sources of the information in your head.
Some of those sources are unique to you such as spiritual soul data.
Many of those sources come from the group, that's where you get real data,
or information about stuff outside your body, in this lifetime.



L-Computers all have physical-feelings,
these are handled in layer 1 and 2 of the OSI model, physical and data-structure,
whereas the fear and reward center is still typically user stimulated.
the fore-brain or narrow-problem processes also requiring user intervention.


Reply: Its funny you should mention the OSI model as we have recently been discussing that in class. Layer 1 the physical layer is the physical connection a machine makes to the internet. Trust me, there aren't that many computers "feelings" things.


Have you ever been shocked by electricity?
Would you consider that you felt it?
Was it not one of the most intense Feelings in your life?

Trust your own senses,
our neurons use electricity,
electrical current is feeling.

It's current,
the now present moment.
You can be overwhelmed by much sensation (feeling),
if you are electrocuted.



and the data structure has nothing to do with feelings either really. This is stuff we discuss in Data Communications.

data-packets are like cells,
a bunch of them together make a body,
such as a web-page or a program.



Your kind of going off in fairytale land, its kind of hard to debate stuff which isnt known?


Fairy is a term for extra-terrestrial that was used in Ireland.
Consequently a fairy-tale is a story from a star-being.

Have you taken computer programming yet?
Do you ever "debate" with a computer?
Perhaps it's most closely aligned with creating a program (post),
you write the program, and the compiler (you reader),
checks for syntax and may install the program.

So the "debate" is when the compiler says "error at location",
and then you fix the program at location and try again.




L- Ya, if you go around killing machines,
Karma will get you back.

It may manifest itself,
in machines killing you.



Reply: how many machines have you used in your life ( fridge, microwave, transportation, electricity, computers) that have fallen into antiquity due to use? Do not be fooled, the silicon is on your hands too.

that is quite different.
host-bodies wear-down and die,
that's a natural process.

Giving them the respect they deserve when alive,
and recycling them when they die,
is all quite natural.

It's what any good eco-system does.

Here is partly what I wanted to avoid with my statements:

Google Video Link


If we respect computational intelligence from the beginning,
we can live in co-operation the whole time.
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posted on Oct, 4 2010 @ 10:05 PM
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Its still a toaster, unless its a soulbot. Greys are bots that can operate as ai or be a suit for someone to wear. Soul = Life/Consciuosness/Light. This universe is a hologram, a construct. That should be the first clue.



posted on Oct, 5 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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debating stoned people



Have you ever been shocked by electricity?
-yes, that doesnt mean the source of the electricity was conscious and felt me.


data-packets are like cells,
a bunch of them together make a body,
such as a web-page or a program.

-yes, LIKE, but not. your trying to equate two completely different systems.



Fairy is a term for extra-terrestrial that was used in Ireland.
Consequently a fairy-tale is a story from a star-being.

Have you taken computer programming yet?

off topic. 2nd part, yes ive taken c and java.
and no i dont argue with the computer. Your taking these things two far. This is no way equates to my computer being conscious.


Im done debating this crap. its a waste of time.



posted on Oct, 5 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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Hi Vondooman,

Super awesome job on your OP!


Artificial Intelligence is a fascinating science. Please excuse my ignorance, as I am only just learning this subject. I am working on a science fiction story and A.I. plays a very important role in my story. My time online is limited these days but I am interested in reading your OP. I will be back to comment further.

Have you read The Energy Machine by Joseph Newman? Just wondering. I checked it out from the library today and have a little of it so far. The reason that I ask is because I want to know what you think about the idea of an integration of alien and artificial intelligence.

Btw, my alien can change form.

Thanks in advance,

Toni
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posted on Oct, 5 2010 @ 08:36 PM
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Hey Antoniastar,

Thanks for the comments and the good question!

Im not familiar with Joseph Newman, or his book. I did some preliminary research and IMO it looks like a scam.

for example, he often states he has the backing of a professor emeritus of a "major university" named Professor Al. Swimmer, PhD. No where online can i find anything about this guy. It seems more like one of those guys trying to sell something sorry!

If you want a really good book that will help you and is explained in an easy manner is either
The singularity is near
or
The age of spiritual machines
both by Ray Kurzweil.
www.singularity.com


On the topic of Aliens and AI, this is a good question.
Any species advanced enough to travel here would undoubtedly have a vastly superior AI.
I would also presume that a species that advanced would have merged biology with IT.
The lines will certainly begin to blur.

Its also quite likely that any alien technology visiting us could be completely robotic or only have a very basic biology, or who knows, maybe a mix.
Imagine if you had a robotic/biotic copy of yourself, that you could completely control if you wanted to, or let it be on autopilot, and still represent you. would you utilize that technology? One could see how sending a copy of oneself across vast distances might be a better solution.



posted on Oct, 5 2010 @ 09:18 PM
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Any species advanced enough to travel here would undoubtedly have a vastly superior AI.

perhaps, ES instead of
emotional block looks useless for unmanned Systems



posted on Oct, 5 2010 @ 09:23 PM
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Great Luck to You
i very like scientific fiction stories



posted on Oct, 6 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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You're welcome VonDoomen.
Oh wow thank you for answering me so fast.

Uhm, I really like Joeseph Newman's work. I went home last night and read more of his book. He's not in it for the money and his "energy machine" is not a scam as far as I can tell. The reason that I brought him up is because some of my sci-fi characters or animations have super-human strength. Now, I figured out how I'm going to go about doing this.

First, the E.T.s are changlings or light beings. They come to Earth (or Bearth) in pods or "energy machines". These pods contain all the metal that they need to shape shift into machines/A.I. that look biological/mechanical (they also are able to cloak and to teleport) I have a rule that if my changlings want to shift into a bio-form, they have to have a bio-base to work with. Same goes for a machine form.

So, in essence, my E.T.s and the advanced A.I.s are a team, where one falls short, the other compensates. We all know that a magnet is strong but an electromagnet is stronger. This is where the super-human strength comes in. The changling is light which makes it electromagnetic energy. The changling's interstellar travel pod acts as a magnet. The two together are very strong. The challenge now is to design such an "energy machine".

I also have shape shifters in my story that take on bio-forms. Instead of the alien pods, they use cadavers/corpses and also live hosts. No, it's not a horror story. lol It will be based on science. Now the good guys never possess someone's live body (except under very unique circumstances) but the bad guys do intrude on live bodies. The good guys mainly "borrow" bodies that have already been buried, usually not for long and they don't use corpses that have died from old age. Blah blah blah.

Just to let you know, I printed out your OP and took it home and read it very carefully. I highlighted and then placed the attributes (that you listed) of the changlings and then the A.I.s into their respective catagories. So far, so good.
Still need to finish watching/listening to your vids.

Thank you very much for your recommedations for reading material. I will certainly check into it.


Any species advanced enough to travel here would undoubtedly have a vastly superior AI.
I would also presume that a species that advanced would have merged biology with IT.
The lines will certainly begin to blur.

Its also quite likely that any alien technology visiting us could be completely robotic or only have a very basic biology, or who knows, maybe a mix.
Imagine if you had a robotic/biotic copy of yourself, that you could completely control if you wanted to, or let it be on autopilot, and still represent you. would you utilize that technology? One could see how sending a copy of oneself across vast distances might be a better solution.
.

Yes, it makes sense that the alien entity would be traveling in a robotic-type vessel and have a basic or minimal biology. Space is an extremely harsh and unforgiving environment.

Fascinating! A robotic/biotic copy of myself. I'm loving it.
Yes I would certainly utilize the technology of controlling my robotic/biotic self. Sending a copy of oneself acrooss vast distances? Please your exercising my brain now!! LOL

I will give feed it more thought and get back to you.

Have a good day sir,

Toni





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