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Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by Chastral
Well, Please tell me why you are not getting to the bottom of the fact that we know nothing about this man! IS HE OR IS HE NOT NATURAL BORN. That would be the best thing for national security! I personally don’t trust him or believe a word he says. I have never had such ill feelings about a president as I do this man. I have not liked a lot of them, but something seriously bothers me with Obama.
Originally posted by JIMC5499
To set a few things straight. First. You can hold dual citizenship and still be a Natural Born US citizen. Several countries extend citizenship to anyone born within their borders. If your parents are both US Citizens and you are born in say Italy while they are on vacation, you are considered to be a Natural Born US Citizen. You may also be considered a citizen of Italy as well.
That's not true. Obama's father was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) when he was born because Kenya was a British colony. Even if he immigrated to the US and became a naturalized citizen here, he could have maintained his CUKC status. When Obama was born, he would have been a US citizen (due to his birth in this country to a US citizen), and a CUKC, because all children, everywhere, that were born to fathers who were CUKCs were automatically CUKCs. When Kenya became independent, his father's status would have changed to Kenyan citizenship. The same thing happened to Obama at that time. However, Kenya did not allow for dual citizenship of adults (defined as age 23 and above), unlike the UK. So when Obama became an adult and did not renounce his US citizenship, he automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship.
Originally posted by mrsdudara
The ONLY way he could have LEGALY had dual citizenship from 61 - 63(when his parents split up and dad moved back) would be if he was born there instead of here.
Originally posted by mrsdudara
Sorry, Edit to add one more bit for clarity. He would not have been able to do so until AFTER his dad divorced and moved back to his home country. If the birth mother was here, he was born here, and his parents were married here and living here he could not have had dual citizenship. It could ONLY have happened - by US AND UK law - if he was born there.
A person shall be eligible. upon making application in such manner as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament. to be registered as a citizen of Kenya if. at the date of his application, one of his parents is a citizen of Kenya. and the Minister may cause any such person who so applies to be so registered:
Provided that a person who has not attained the age of twenty-one years (other than a woman who is or has been married) may not himself make an application under this subsection, but an application may be made on his behalf by his parent or guardian.
Originally posted by Violater1
Can someone find a legitmate legal source
(University law library or Government institution ) that elaborates or defines, the definition of Naturally Born Citizen and Dual Citizen. If there is a difference, then the obamanation must be impeached!
[edit on 26-8-2010 by Violater1]
I believe that's the current (or soon to be current) language int he Kenyan Constitution. The relevant language at the time of Obama's birth (when Kenya was still a colony) was:
Originally posted by Sestias
Edit to add:
Constitution of Kenya: Chapter 6: Citizenship
An excerpt:
A person shall be eligible. upon making application in such manner as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament. to be registered as a citizen of Kenya if. at the date of his application, one of his parents is a citizen of Kenya. and the Minister may cause any such person who so applies to be so registered:
Provided that a person who has not attained the age of twenty-one years (other than a woman who is or has been married) may not himself make an application under this subsection, but an application may be made on his behalf by his parent or guardian.
British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.
1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...
2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.