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State Dept. confirms Obama dual citizen

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posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by Chastral
 


Well, Please tell me why you are not getting to the bottom of the fact that we know nothing about this man! IS HE OR IS HE NOT NATURAL BORN. That would be the best thing for national security! I personally don’t trust him or believe a word he says. I have never had such ill feelings about a president as I do this man. I have not liked a lot of them, but something seriously bothers me with Obama.



LISTEN WE DONT CARE IF HE IS LEGALLY BORN OR NOT!!!!!!!!!!

The only way to ensure national security is to let people know "HEY, WE REALIZE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BRAINWASH OTHERS INTO ASSASSINATING OBAMA BY SAYING HE IS AN ESPIONAGE AGENT LINKED TO RUSSIA"

All we care about, literally, all we care about is addressing this threat at the moment. We dont care if he is legally born, or legally eligable, all we care about is clearing up the confusion. THAT IS ALL! We are not about politics, not about the color of someones skin, we are about national security!

I repeat, this has nothing to do with him being president, or his citizenship, its about people trying to use a psychological and legal loophole to create what would not only be a Civil war in America... but that would most likely crash the US Economy and cause a world wide situation, which is why there is a lot of international pressure on this investigation right now.

Again, we dont care about obama, we dont want to give him the death sentense if he turns out illegal, we just care about America being safe... and we go about doing that by clearing up confusion on such issues that... well... someone confused might start a civil war over.

Justin Alan Woodward
1811 Undercover National Security Criminal Investigator (currently operating in Thailand)

All this is about is so someone cant tell a scout sniper "hey, look at all of this supporting info saying Obama is engaing in an act of espionage... and you know that crime is punishable by death... and you know its your duty to protect from threats both foreign and domestic... JUST LIKE THE MOVIE "SHOOTER".

If you dont understand something do not be afraid to ask I will not shut you down or try to make you feel stupid in any way shape or form. It is my duty to inform the public of their plight. I cant stress enough that I need feedback on things you dont clearly understand because we are only limited by things we cannot clearly define. If you have a question, ASK!


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posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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chastral, you've done a good job at sidelining the topic. but when looking up the eligibility of presidency Vs. dual citizenship for our country, I didn't see anything barring someone from that position, though it would be common sense NOT to have dual citizenship as that would constitute a conflict of interest, but i did see that naturalized citizens could not attain the Prez or V Prez seats.
it would be akin to being a R&D engineer for HP and APPLE at the same time. i'm sure it would make both sides(but definately one) nervous...the shareholders wouldnt know which way you'd roll, or when. but i looked up that name in the bottom of EVERY SINGLE post you've put out.....and BOY are you busy!!
justin alan woodward 1811....the rest of that stuff...

making the rounds ......


carry on people....but i'm gonna continue looking more into the eligibility/dual citizenship thingy....

[edit on 26-8-2010 by ahmonrarh]



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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US State Department Services Dual Nationality

The only way he would have both citizenships were if he was born there and had a mother who was a US citizen.

If he was born here (like they say he was) and his dad was here (like they say) and dad went back to his own country after they divorced (again, like they say) he would have only been a US natural born citizen. To have a citizenship in the other country, he would have needed to apply which would have changed his citizenship status here.

However, if he were born there, to a mother who was a US citizen, then and only then would he have had the dual citizenship during the time periods stated.

Edit to add, he would have had grounds for dual citizenship but he would have had to apply for the one to his fathers country, and would have had no reason to do so in 61 seing as his father did not decide to go back until after their divorce in 63.

Sorry, Edit to add one more bit for clarity. He would not have been able to do so until AFTER his dad divorced and moved back to his home country. If the birth mother was here, he was born here, and his parents were married here and living here he could not have had dual citizenship. It could ONLY have happened - by US AND UK law - if he was born there.

[edit on 26-8-2010 by mrsdudara]

[edit on 26-8-2010 by mrsdudara]



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 09:26 AM
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What do you not understand about how easy it is to try to get someone worked up in a frenzy by giving them drugs... feeding them propaganda that Obama is an espionage agent... "Just look at all the people saying he is an illegal citizen! EVEN YOUR OWN OFFICERS! THEY WANT YOU TO KILL HIM!"



Your the one sidelining this topic, the reason they just released this info is to get closure on an issue that was a matter of national security. People need to know 100% that Obama is fit to be President, so that brainwashers cant show marine corps scout snipers that video's, give them some drugs and peer pressure and talk them into sniping the President and adding "since its against the law for Obama to even be president... you wont get into trouble... unless you get caught first... you have to do it right, one shot one kill."

I find it hard to believe that people keep wanting it to go back to this being about whether he is or is not legal instead of why this even came out in the first place. Its out because of what happened with me in El Dorado, they are clearing everything up.

No the movie "Shooter" cannot manifest itself into reality.

However, the same people that I accuse of setting up the MK-ULTRA assassination literally Rogue CIA (PSYOPS that are crawling all over ATS) and MOSSAD dont want you to have any idea that they tried to start a racial civil war in America to further their New World Order Agenda just like they dont want you to know 9-11 was done by them as well.

Keep your eyes out for people that want to take something so obvious and twist it. Anyone can see how the situation we were in just a little bit ago was a matter of national security and thus needed to be resolved. However getting into MK-ULTRA, exposing the program is going to be the real fight, because you have so many PSYOPS trying to take something so obvious ... that Obamas unresolved citizenship status was setting america up for failure, and turn people away from it.

They dont want you to think about what I am saying, they want to steer you away from it because they are part of the very same organization that tried to get me to kill Obama.

Literally what you are observing is a psychological warfare battle between a UNITED STATES MARINECORPS 18X (1811) that recieved advanced individual training going against the Army's Rogue PSYOPS (JFK Special Warfare Center >>they call it that because they took the guys they trained to assassinate Fidel Castro to kill JFK and then mock what they did and show everyone how powerful they are by naming their new PSYOPS Assassination/Manipulation School after such a milestone victory... again they trained guys to kill Castro and JFK said 'no' pulled the plug on the air strike, killed a lot of them, JFK then signed Executive Order 1110 to shut down the Federal Reserve and to shut down the funding of this program that went from Rockefellers through the Bush's through Bilderberg through Skull and bones Secret Society



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 09:49 AM
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Well, its night time in Thailand so I will let PSYOPS and the Rogue CIA regroup and try to destroy my credibility, try to take away from what I am saying, so in doing so they expose their entire network to my Secret Service. I have to admit, I cant prove I am Secret Service right now... any PSYOPS want to take that bait?

I am fishing for PSYOPS. Any psyops anywhere just contradict me in the slightest, I can smell you out like a bloodhound because you do 1 of a few things.. Try to act more dominant than another (that is making sense and providing valid points) to use that dominancy to take over 'the sheep' and misdirect them. You use emotional abuse, name calling, and invalidation... bully tactics.. and then you try and confuse. But there is something very powerful at hand.. when you have truth in one hand and lies in the next and you offer them both to someone to choose from them... they are going to look at them both and take the truth and they will know the truth because it MAKES MORE SENSE!

Goodnight

Justin Alan Woodward
1811 Undercover National Security Criminal Investigator



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 10:21 AM
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To set a few things straight. First. You can hold dual citizenship and still be a Natural Born US citizen. Several countries extend citizenship to anyone born within their borders. If your parents are both US Citizens and you are born in say Italy while they are on vacation, you are considered to be a Natural Born US Citizen. You may also be considered a citizen of Italy as well.

Second. There was never any issue with McCain's citizenship. McCain was born while his Father was stationed in the Canal Zone in Panama. At that time the 'Zone' was a US Protectorate. It would be the same as someone born in Guam or the US Virgin Islands.

All of this being said, I would still like to know why Obama spent upwards of 1 million dollars to keep the issue of his citizenship out of the courts? It seems kind of stupid to do that if you have nothing to hide.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by JIMC5499
To set a few things straight. First. You can hold dual citizenship and still be a Natural Born US citizen. Several countries extend citizenship to anyone born within their borders. If your parents are both US Citizens and you are born in say Italy while they are on vacation, you are considered to be a Natural Born US Citizen. You may also be considered a citizen of Italy as well.


First let me say, I am not arguing with you, Im pointing out an important detail to others. I agree with what you said.

If the child was born in the US to a mother who was a US citizen, and father who married the mother in the US and lives with mother and child in US despite being a citizen of UK the child does not automatically become a citizen of UK. The child is only a US citizen. They can not make the child a UK citizen unless - in this case - daddy lives there....which he did not at that time - and the child is going to live with him.

The ONLY way he could have LEGALY had dual citizenship from 61 - 63(when his parents split up and dad moved back) would be if he was born there instead of here.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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Countries get to decide who are "citizens." Some countries say all people who are born to current or past citizens (no matter where they might be living at the time) are citizens. Some put other restrictions on it.

If these so-called "dual citizens" are not eligible to become President, it would be really easy for for some dictator in another country to issue a proclamation that all current and future US citizens are now citizens of the dictator's country. Bam... now there are no people eligible to become President.

So it should not matter what other countries do when it comes to determining the American citizenship of someone. Otherwise you'll get into ridiculous situations like the one above.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by mrsdudara
The ONLY way he could have LEGALY had dual citizenship from 61 - 63(when his parents split up and dad moved back) would be if he was born there instead of here.
That's not true. Obama's father was a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (CUKC) when he was born because Kenya was a British colony. Even if he immigrated to the US and became a naturalized citizen here, he could have maintained his CUKC status. When Obama was born, he would have been a US citizen (due to his birth in this country to a US citizen), and a CUKC, because all children, everywhere, that were born to fathers who were CUKCs were automatically CUKCs. When Kenya became independent, his father's status would have changed to Kenyan citizenship. The same thing happened to Obama at that time. However, Kenya did not allow for dual citizenship of adults (defined as age 23 and above), unlike the UK. So when Obama became an adult and did not renounce his US citizenship, he automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship.

There was no need for Obama to be born in Kenya to have been a Kenyan citizen at the time.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 02:51 PM
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This drivel has come up again?

Am I going to hear WorldNetDaily articles on how Obama's not a natural-born citizen?

Southern Guardian has illustrated the point of how Obama is a natural-born citizen.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by mrsdudara

Sorry, Edit to add one more bit for clarity. He would not have been able to do so until AFTER his dad divorced and moved back to his home country. If the birth mother was here, he was born here, and his parents were married here and living here he could not have had dual citizenship. It could ONLY have happened - by US AND UK law - if he was born there.


Your last conclusion is faulty.

Obama would NOT have gotten dual citizenship ONLY if he was born in Kenya.

As I understand it, his father returned to Kenya in 1963, whereupon he applied for dual citizenship for his son Barack.

Kenya is apparently not very particular about these things and granted it, even though the son was not in Kenya at the time. A Kenyan parent can evidently do this. (Will find a link to support this and add it).

The reason President Obama's dual citizenship ended in 1982 was because he did not apply to renew it.

"Mystery" solved.

Edit to add:

Constitution of Kenya: Chapter 6: Citizenship

An excerpt:


A person shall be eligible. upon making application in such manner as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament. to be registered as a citizen of Kenya if. at the date of his application, one of his parents is a citizen of Kenya. and the Minister may cause any such person who so applies to be so registered:
Provided that a person who has not attained the age of twenty-one years (other than a woman who is or has been married) may not himself make an application under this subsection, but an application may be made on his behalf by his parent or guardian.




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posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 03:11 PM
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Can someone find a legitmate legal source
(University law library or Government institution ) that elaborates or defines, the definition of Naturally Born Citizen and Dual Citizen. If there is a difference, then the obamanation must be impeached!


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posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1
Can someone find a legitmate legal source
(University law library or Government institution ) that elaborates or defines, the definition of Naturally Born Citizen and Dual Citizen. If there is a difference, then the obamanation must be impeached!


[edit on 26-8-2010 by Violater1]


The two are talking about different things. There is no official definition of "natural born citizen," but it is generally held to mean that one is a citizen by right of birth (for instance, being born on American soil confers the right of citizenship). This would exclude naturalized citizens (among them, those people who were born in another country but came to the US and went through the process to gain citizenship).

A dual citizen is simply someone who has been granted citizenship in two (or more) nations. Different countries have different requirements for citizenship, and they are not always mutually exclusive. Thus is it completely possible to be a natural born US citizen while also holding citizenship in another country, thus making that person a dual citizen.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by Sestias
Edit to add:

Constitution of Kenya: Chapter 6: Citizenship

An excerpt:


A person shall be eligible. upon making application in such manner as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament. to be registered as a citizen of Kenya if. at the date of his application, one of his parents is a citizen of Kenya. and the Minister may cause any such person who so applies to be so registered:
Provided that a person who has not attained the age of twenty-one years (other than a woman who is or has been married) may not himself make an application under this subsection, but an application may be made on his behalf by his parent or guardian.
I believe that's the current (or soon to be current) language int he Kenyan Constitution. The relevant language at the time of Obama's birth (when Kenya was still a colony) was:


British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.


And then when Kenya became independent, the relevant language in it's constitution was:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963...

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.



All the info you need: www.factcheck.org...



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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The section I cited came into effect in December of 1963.

Read the whole link.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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This whole subject is just pointless now. It is a way for people to be distracted from the real issues where the people can actually make a difference. It is a non issue.

Obama is now 2 years into his term. Even if you can prove he is not a "natural born citizen" by the time anything can be done about it, he will be finished with his first term in office.

Learn from this experience and maybe next election year people will actually research the Candidates BEFORE actually voting in the primaries or putting them into office.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 04:22 PM
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Thank you for your opinion.
What I am looking for is a legal definition (but you knew that) of natural citizen and dual citizenship. If a dual citizenship is lesser than a natural citizenship, then obama is out.
However, regardless of this discussion, come November, America will lash out at the Demo-Socialists, and a different party will land slide in. The obamanation will then claim that the new party in power, ruined his plans. But America will have enough of this kenyan, and history will prove that he will be just another blight (like clintstone and bush) on the books of American history.



posted on Aug, 26 2010 @ 07:45 PM
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I can't believe I have to come back into this thread.

CRAZY PEOPLE WHO SAY PRESIDENTS CAN'T HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP.

Several presidents and vice-presidents have had dual citizenship in the history of the US:

Chester Arthur, Spiro Agnew, Dwight Eisenhower, etc.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 01:47 PM
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From what I read, he would have been given entitlement to Right to Abode, but not citizenship. Even though his father was a citizen, his father was married and living here, and he was born here. Because of that he would have been given right to abode, which his parents would have had to apply for, for him. but not automatic citizenship.

I only say this because the dates in which they claim his dual citizenship included the time period right after he was born in 61. It is just likely that is all.



posted on Aug, 27 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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Well I have looked all over the net and even talked to a few historians I know. The general concenus is you can have dual citizenship and still hold the office of POTUS if you were born here.

Personally I would tend to think if BHO was born in HI why spend millions in legal challenges?

If he were born in HI he should have proved it on the spot.

Follow the money.

What does congress the POTUS and the Surpreme court all have in common?


None of them follow the Constitution nor do they care about it looking at the laws, EO's, and Rulings.

America the republic rest in peace.



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