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State Dept. confirms Obama dual citizen

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posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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The State Department is maintaining a "counter-misinformation" page on an America.gov blog ...However, in the attempt to debunk the Obama birth-certificate controversy, the State Department author confirmed Obama was a dual citizen of the U.K. and the U.S. from 1961 to 1963 and a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. from 1963 to 1982, because his father was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born in 1961.


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Finally, Leventhal cites FactCheck.org to state, "Obama was originally both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies from 1961 to 1963 (because his father was from Kenya, which gained its independence from the British Empire in 1963), then both a U.S. and Kenyan citizen from 1963 to 1982, and solely a U.S. citizen after that."


So what will this mean?

Well most likely nothing since no one in government seems to care about the constitution.

I guess that is change We can believe in.


Having a dual citizenship status disqualifies you from ever being President. So meet the next Hitler....

Barack Husein Obama




posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:07 PM
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I don't think having a dual citizenship in the past, disqualifies you from the Oval Office, though I'd have to check. If anything, it would probably disqualify you if you presently held a dual citizenship.

The Constitution uses the term, "natural born" citizen. If he was born with dual citizenship, it means that he was born with American citizenship and as long as he doesn't still hold dual citizenship, then he should be eligible. He is, after all, a natural born citizen, apparently.


--airspoon



[edit on 25-8-2010 by airspoon]



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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Oh no they DIDUN! The State Department is a bunch o' troofers now?!

The only people this will really be any news to is the ones that denied it from the start because they were too blinded by their devotion to The Won to see it.

Funny, the truth usually does come out.

I agree though, it is of no consequence now, because the Constitution lies in shreds beneath The Messiah's feet.


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posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by SWCCFAN
So what will this mean?


It means this is old news. It has been known that the president was a dual citizen and had been mentioned time and time again since 2008. He lost his dual citizenship more than 20 years ago when he did not renounce his natural US citizenship.


Well most likely nothing since no one in government seems to care about the constitution.


And what does this have to do with the constitution again? There is nothing in the constitution that disqualifies an american born citizen from becoming president based on the foreign citizenship laws of a parent. Sure, Vattel said so, but he does not write our laws does he? In anycase Obama is the 7th president having been born to a foreign born parent:

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933),


Change we can believe in


I do not know what that has to do with this fact.


Having a dual citizenship status disqualifies you from ever being President.


No, there is no evidence that supports that argument.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:15 PM
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I don't see how it makes any constitutional difference. The point is where Obama was born, not his father. The allegiance sworn by the president should affirm to where his allegiances lay. If he no longer Has dual citizenship the point is moot.

United states vs wong kim ark



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Having a dual citizenship status disqualifies you from ever being President.


No, there is no evidence that supports that argument.


Really?

REALLY?

Dual Citizens cannot be Natural Born.

You see, you get so caught up in defending it, you lose the simplicity it always has been by trying to complicate the issue.

It just never was so complicated as all that.

It is so pure. So simple.

You cannot be Naturally Born and be a Dual Citizen, (EVER).

You just cancelled your months of arguing by admitting this simple and pure truth. Thanks for that.

Really. Thanks.


Oh, and just because Kenya didn't allow Dual Citizenship? It never once affected his British one. Kenya cannot cancel the British one. Technically speaking, he is still a dual British. He was never required to make a choice on the Brit one.

He never did.

In his own words.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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A person cannot serve two masters

Here is a list of duel citiczens in our governmwent for Presidents: Why is there so many dual citiczens in government, when we have brilliant full-fledged citiczens in this country who would be loyal to just America. Now the President is a dual citiczen. This is wrong, and he should be impeached

Henry Kissinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger's evil past, read Seymour Hersch's book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House)

John Bolton
Former UN Representative and Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Bolton is also a Senior Advisor to President Bush. Prior to this position, Bolton was Senior Vice President of the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktank, AEI. He recently (October 2002) accused Syria of having a nuclear program, so that they can attack Syria after Iraq. He must have forgotten that Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, some of which are thermonuclear weapons (according to a recent U.S. Air Force report).

Michael Mukasey
Recently appointed as US Attorney General. Mukasey also was the judge in the litigation between developer Larry Silverstein and several insurance companies arising from the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001.

Michael Chertoff
Former Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department; now head of Homeland Security.

Paul Wolfowitz
Former Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle's Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz came from the above mentioned Jewish thinktank, JINSA. Wolfowitz was the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering. He later was appointed head of the World Bank but resigned under pressure from World Bank members over a scandal involving his misuse of power.

Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Vice President Dick Cheney's ex-Chief of Staff. As chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iran. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Marc Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president. Libby was recently found guilty of lying to Federal investigators in the Valerie Plame affair, in which Plame, a covert CIA agent, was exposed for political revenge by the Bush administration following her husband's revelations about the lies leading to the Iraq War.

Robert Satloff
U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby's "think tank," Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby's "experts" come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.

Ari Fleischer
Ex- White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad's Capitol Jewish Forum.

Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.

Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).

Daniel Kurtzer
Ambassador to Israel.

Cliff Sobel
Ambassador to the Netherlands.

Stuart Bernstein
Ambassador to Denmark.

Nancy Brinker
Ambassador to Hungary

Frank Lavin
Ambassador to Singapore.

Ron Weiser
Ambassador to Slovakia.

Mel Sembler
Ambassador to Italy.

Martin Silverstein
Ambassador to Uruguay.


[edit on 25-8-2010 by Krzyzmo]



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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You bring about an exelent point!


Since Obama was born a dual citizen he cannot hold his current office as President.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:27 PM
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There is absolutely nothing anywhere that says a person who has held dual citizenship can't hold the office of president. birthers lose again.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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This was confirmed by Kenya newspapers and Michelle.

bobmccarty.com...



It has been pretty straight forward for a long time.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Libertygal
Dual Citizens cannot be Natural Born.


Exactly where is that stated in the Constitution?

Nowhere of course, it is just something a birther made up!


You cannot be Naturally Born and be a Dual Citizen, (EVER).


Exactly where is that stated in the Constitution?

Exactly what do you base your silly claim on?



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by SWCCFAN
Having a dual citizenship status disqualifies you from ever being President.

No it does not because we have no control over the citizenship laws of other nations. If this were true, then no Jew could ever legally become President because all Jews are also citizens of Israel.

It also means that Papua New Guinea could totally destroy American Democracy by simply passing a law there that states that 'all American citizens are now also citizens of Papau New Guinea.'



So meet the next Hitler....

Barack Husein Obama

So, how does once having dual citizenship first with the U.K. and then with Kenya turn someone into Hitler? That's quite a logical leap.

[edit on 8/25/2010 by LifeInDeath]



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:46 PM
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The more you learn about this man, you more you realize he has nothing in common with 95% of the nation he represents.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:54 PM
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You can be born to everywhere plus the U.S. and you are a natural born citizen. The president has ot only have single citizenship for the 12 years prior to running for office. Without someone comming out and saying that he held dual-citizenship for the 12 years prior, then there is no issue. Look it up under requirements for president in the ...



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by SWCCFAN
So what will this mean?


Nothing. If Kenya wants to declare me a citizen there is nothing I can do about that but there is also no reason I cannot be president in the United States because of it.


Originally posted by Libertygal
The only people this will really be any news to is the ones that denied it from the start because they were too blinded by their devotion to The Won to see it.


Are you reading this thread? So far, the only people surprised by this are the ones insisting he is not a legit president. The rest of us knew and knew it makes no difference what another country says about an American born citizen. Are there any other laws in American that you all feel should be invalidated based on the thoughts, opinions, or actions of the laws of another country? Are we trying to be the USA or another country? What is next, copying certain ME countries we call enemies by denying religios freedom in our own country? Oh, wait...


Originally posted by Libertygal
Really?

REALLY?

Dual Citizens cannot be Natural Born.


Really? Really? Where do we come by this information, please? It does not even make sense. How can someone born on US soil not be Natural Born because another country declares them a citizen? Please explain? Did they plant a flag on the fetus?


You cannot be Naturally Born and be a Dual Citizen, (EVER).


I will believe you. Just please show me where you come by this knowledge first.


Oh, and just because Kenya didn't allow Dual Citizenship? It never once affected his British one. Kenya cannot cancel the British one. Technically speaking, he is still a dual British. He was never required to make a choice on the Brit one.


Would that not mean then that Britain cannot cancel his American citizenship or does that sentence make no sense in the real world?


Originally posted by SWCCFAN
reply to post by Krzyzmo
 


You bring about an exelent point!


Since Obama was born a dual citizen he cannot hold his current office as President.


According to what? Where might I read up on this law? It does not seem to be in the constitution mentioned in this thread.


Originally posted by Gainsayer
The more you learn about this man, you more you realize he has nothing in common with 95% of the nation he represents.



Yeah, unlike the last guy who was just like us. I really miss the days when the president was a an oil rich, CIA connected, failed business man who vacations with the Bin Laden family, male cheerleader from CT just like the rest of us.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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If Obama was a British Citizen at birth, then he is still a British Citizen. He would have been dual.l citizen (Kenya/British) from 1963 to 1982. So, did he have a tri-citizenship until 1982?

Two countries that do not have restrictions on holding a multiple citizenship: The U.S. and Britain.

Is he British/American?

Interesting.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 05:20 PM
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What does this have to do with Bush? Who here said he DID represent most Americans?

Funny how liberals revert to such rubbish as soon as their foreign, Muslim-raised, Harvard-educated, Black racist Church attending, socialist gets attacked.


Bush was no peach either, or voice of the common man. Nobody is saying that because were not talking about Bush, were talking Obama. Thanks for trying to muddle up the conversation though.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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All talk and no evidence.

Yep.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 05:30 PM
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i don't like obama, but then again i don't like any politician. mindlessly hating the man is just as stupid as mindlessly supporting him. a lot of people blame obama for all of our problems when they took root in the bush and clinton administration. what you need to get through your heads is that all presidential candidates we have had since JFK have been puppets and have never had the common peoples' interests in mind, only big business. these problems with the economy and the government takeover of healthcare have been a long time coming, they did not just suddenly pop up.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Gainsayer
What does this have to do with Bush? Who here said he DID represent most Americans?


Nothing. This has nothing to do with Bush. Please go back and read what was stated.


Originally posted by Gainsayer
The more you learn about this man, you more you realize he has nothing in common with 95% of the nation he represents.



See what that says? That says this president. It does not say presidents, politicians, or anything else like that. It specifically states THIS president does not represent the average American. That most certainly implies this is some type of aberration where past presidents did. As much as people on the right hate to be reminded of this, the last president was George Bush. I was pointing out that it applied to him as well. It applies to Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, etc. Would you have been happier if I went through every president? I thought pointing out the last one was out of touch as well was sufficient to rebut the idea that Obama is the first president to not be an average Joe. As long as Hannity and Deucey are still bringing up Clinton, I am pretty sure I can mention Bush. Sorry you did not like that example. Pick any president you like, D or R and the same case can be made.


Funny how liberals revert to such rubbish as soon as their foreign, Muslim-raised, Harvard-educated, Black racist Church attending, socialist gets attacked.


A socialist Muslim eh?


Bush was no peach either, or voice of the common man. Nobody is saying that because were not talking about Bush, were talking Obama. Thanks for trying to muddle up the conversation though.


Let me show you what I responded to yet again. This time I will underline the key part.


Originally posted by Gainsayer
The more you learn about this man, you more you realize he has nothing in common with 95% of the nation he represents.



So again, I am merely pointing out that no, this man is not suddenly some out of touch politician that appeared out of nowhere to destroy what a president is; no more so than any other anyway.



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