The Sun is changing the rate of radioactive decay, and breaking the rules of chemistry, page 1


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Topic started on 25-8-2010 @ 10:56 AM by Thill
Another interesting article for the science minded people on ATS .

"The Sun is changing the supposedly constant rates of decay of radioactive elements, and we have absolutely no idea why. But an entirely unknown particle could be behind it. Plus, this discovery could help us predict deadly solar flares."

io9.com... <---Link to article


I quoted only a small portion of the text , and left out the whole debate on why it is so , in order not to copy paste the whole article , if you are interested go ahead and read up on it and add any comments that you might have



As Peter Sturrock explains:

"It's an effect that no one yet understands. Theorists are starting to say, 'What's going on?' But that's what the evidence points to. It's a challenge for the physicists and a challenge for the solar people too. [If it's not neutrinos,] it would have to be something we don't know about, an unknown particle that is also emitted by the sun and has this effect, and that would be even more remarkable."


Since I am no chemistry expert I will refrain from commenting until some more knowledgeable people look through it

The fact that this can help out in solar flare prediction is a nice bonus thou , I wonder what "head start" this could give on an incoming flare.




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reply posted on 25-8-2010 @ 05:35 PM by Phage
reply to post by mbkennel

Nope.
They found a 33 day periodicity. They assume it is linked to the rotation of the Sun's core. We really have no idea what the rotation rate of the Sun's core is. Unless the change in decay rate is related to it. A bit circular.


reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 05:48 PM by crystalbeing
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This was actually my first post in abovetopsecret but it was moved to skunk works.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 06:25 PM by crystalbeing
There was an experiment done with DNA where a test tube with water and a test tube with DNA had an elecro magnetic field applied then the DNA projected its self into the water in the other tube and was able to interact with enzymes. This means DNA emits its own electromagnetic signals that imprint the DNA’s structure on other molecules. This experiment was done by a Nobel Prize winning scientist.
www.popsci.com...

This constitutes your light body. Your light body interacts with the new energy coming to Earth. The energy like all energy is made of vibrations. It resonates with you at the subatomic level. That starts a chain reaction with your light body which will interact with your DNA. Russian research by Gariaev showed that chromosomes function similar to programmable holographic biocomputers employing DNA’s own electromagnetic radiation. Their research shows that DNA is genetic script that allows chromosomes to produce and receive information contained in these scripts in order to encode and decode them Chromosomes assemble themselves into a holographic lattice designed to generate and interpret highly stable spiral standing waves of sound and light that govern most biological functions.
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reply posted on 23-4-2011 @ 07:22 PM by mbkennel
Originally posted by buddhasystem
I bet it was an instrument effect.

You measure decays with electronics, after all, and electronics is susceptible to electromagnetic fields. A good solar flare can wreak micro-havoc on your circuit via Earth's magnetosphere.

There were all sorts of strange periodical dependencies of beam energies discovered at CERN when LEP was in operation (a predecessor to LHC). They found correlations with the moon (tidal distortion of crust) and local train schedule (return currents flowing in the ground cause magnetic fields). That just shows that instrumentation in nuclear physics is tricky business.


Yes it is true, but the solar flare effect came some number of hours before the flare---either a spurious correlation or indication of something in the nuclear reacting core.

The original observations are 5 years old now, from some pretty good nuclear guys at Purdue, including Ephraim Fischbach. They know all about nuclear instrumentation. I think it could be real.

www.symmetrymagazine.org...

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www.sciencedirect.com... _alid=1441903185&_rdoc=1&_fmt=full&_orig=search&_cdi=5297&_issn=09276505&_pii=S092765050900084X&view=c&_acct=C000059607&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_user id=4420&md5=3d9cea58f6a7c0f05dcf360a29dabe08


I can tell that the 33 day periodicity can have any number of explanations. For example, the secretary next door has her period on that day, and drinks more chamomile tea than usual


Would the labs in both Brookhaven and Germany have a lady who drinks their teas exactly synchronized?
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reply posted on 24-4-2011 @ 02:50 PM by buddhasystem
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To access the source article, I'd have to try from work -- we probably have a subscription there, I don't want to pay for access from my home machine...

The pop-science article seems to be full of speculation, unfortunately. 28 vs 33 days... One case where the alleged variation in decay rate occurred some time BEFORE the flare. I just don't know. If I have access during the week, I may have ideas.
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