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This was a period of great turmoil in ancient Egypt which followed on from the sudden and catastrophic collapse of the Old Kingdom and is sometimes described as being a relative 'dark age' in AE history
if, for the sake of discussion, we take each King's reign as averaging 15 years, then this amounts to 1,845 years of lost history.
Originally posted by Ausar
dont kings have to make a stella telling their story of ascent and descencion as king?
Byrd: It's interesting that you bring up "the legendary period", which was set down some 3,000 years after these kings supposedly reigned...
Byrd: I hope you didn't think I just went "AAARRRGH!!! IT'S HIM!!!! SMACK HIM WITH A STICK!!!"
Originally posted by theAymen
the mythical kings, and the so-called missing era was a Farce, started by imhotep and his cult of covanent priests to show they had soverignty in their lineage.
the greeks/romans/hitties would use these kings to establish their right to rule in the new kingdom.
18th dynasty hittites (covenant ex-preists)
Originally posted by astrogolf
reply to post by Scott Creighton
The pyramids line up with their appropriate constellations.....at approximately 10,500 BC. This is due to the procession of the equinoxes. There is currently a debate between the actual scientists....astronomers, geologists, vs. the Egyptologists regarding this matter. So much of history is lost.
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by theAymen
the mythical kings, and the so-called missing era was a Farce, started by imhotep and his cult of covanent priests to show they had soverignty in their lineage.
That'd be kind of hard to do since the first time the "demigod/god" ruler lists appear are 1,000 years after Imhotep died. He's not turned into a god until 2,000 years after his death, and he never appears in the kings lists -- either the mythical one or the real ones.
the greeks/romans/hitties would use these kings to establish their right to rule in the new kingdom.
Actually, they just beat the Egyptian armies AND the mercenary armies that Egypt hired.
18th dynasty hittites (covenant ex-preists)
Not to be disputatious here, but the Egyptians conquered the Hittites:
Originally posted by Byrd
Just briefly (I'm very tired tonight) it looks as though "native Egyptians" lost control of the country at the end of the Third Intermediate Period and then ends up in the hands of the Assyrians and later the Greeks who try to syncretize the Egyptian gods with Greek gods.
Originally posted by theAymen
yes it was him who was the foundation of ths blueprint. he classed himself and djoser (his pharaoh) as gods...(cult of khnum).
then 1000 yrs later OTHERS Used this... in particular a covenant sect of priests (18th dynasty pharaohs as well) used his cult of khnum to start there own cult where quite frankly it was a cult of control/ google khnum, the cult founded by imhotep to control the pharaoh
hahah..ruling Upper Egypt was a right given by the gods (Atef worn by osiris)...pharaohs knew that..more importantly the peoeple knew that..so to RULE them is alot more then beating an army...how will u trade. live etc
(upper egypt IS the old kingdom..Thebes is the capital...the REAL pharaohs - google taharaq..the last REAL pharaoh)
Not to be disputatious here, but the Egyptians conquered the Hittites:
yes i know...AY and Horemheb....BUT ...they then came back as Priests. in the 19h dynasty.
Pharaoh Seti1 brought them back to help build his temple in abydos.
Set1 son ramsees the great had the htiites priests constantly with thm...(who i believe inticed ramsees. on a military campaign in the villages of Ay & horemheb)
who he later expelled for killing his son...who he had with nefertari ..a royal from the conquerd upper egypt.
she demanded revenge..her army from Thebes came north...then... story of exodus,mosis,red sea etc...
non lineage/non sovereign rulers are fabricating a story/link to them being divine rulers on earth
so this story of demi gods is a lame way to show your RIGHT TO RULE. a lie about being a demigod..this divine right to rule and constant 10,000 bc talk is all links to certain men being related to the pre flood/ antidiluvean, demi god era which will establish their divine right to rule.
more importantly this is the foundations of a religon.
Originally posted by theAymen
what if i told you tha the people who synchronised the egyptian religon into modern day christianty are still alive and kicking..speaking the same language and practising the same religon!!
...look at the COPTIC churches in egypt...coptic means "ancient greek written in arabic"
they are your holy grail for information being alsothe hittite and new kingdom priests!!
Originally posted by Byrd
reply to post by theAymen
Could you point to the texts that show that he was known as a god at the same time Djoser was (he actually served several pharaohs)? His name (written on his own statue found at Saqqara) doesn't contain either the royal cartouche or the "cult flag" indicating he's a deity -- the other inscription gives his name in the same format as a simple person and not a deity.
So can you point to the hieroglyphs that show he's worshipped before the time of his death? I can read hieroglyphs
I'm not sure where you get this from. Khnum was worshipped long before Imhotep was born. And in googling Khnum, it says he is only a primary god for a short time (en.wikipedia.org...) and is later reduced to a secondary god, worshipped in only two places. By the time of the 18th dynasty, the main god is Ra/Re (en.wikipedia.org...)
The religion changed quite a bit during that time period, as shown in temple walls, in changes in the story of gods, in the changes in the Pyramid Texts/Book of the Dead/Book of Gates, etc.
I think you'll find that whoever ended up in power became a god (that concept is not exactly right; more of a "god manifestation on earth" than what we think of as a deity. They became a true deity after death.) It wasn't a "right" given by a god or any god. And there were many different crowns worn, depending on the occasion and the dynasty. The monumental statues of Ramses at his temple in Abu Simdal show him wearing the Nemes crown... same with Thutmose (in statuary and in wall paintings)... and so on and so forth. The atef crown is not shown in most depictions. So I'm not sure where you get the idea that the one crown represented the pharaoh's right to rule.
. It's a character in a fantasy novel. (and that's not an Egyptian name, anyway. Nor is Tetisheri, to the best of my knowledge)
Pharaoh Seti1 brought them back to help build his temple in abydos.
His priests were the same people he was battling throughout his reign? The ones who had taken the territory of his fathers, and who he was systematically killing to regain that land?
Can you link to something that shows he was importing priests of an enemy people with a foreign religion (links to their names would be adequate, since Hittite names are very different from Egyptian names)? As far as I know from all the inscriptions, his chief priest (with other titles) was Paser (who was definately Egyptian of Egyptian parents)
Horemheb died before Ay, who died before Rameses I came to the throne. He's the grandfather of Ramses II. So... what were you using as evidence that Ramses attacked the towns of Henen-nesut (the capital of the 20th Nome of Egypt) and Ipu (capital of the 9th Nome of Egypt)?
Uhm... that doesn't match any of the material from Egypt. Ramses' sons by Nefertari (who is, according to genetic tests, one of his relatives) lived and became commanders in his armies. Here's a big list of them:
It *might* be... except that this isn't a long line of father-to-son inheritances. The importance of a demigod in your past makes you divine, but if you're an usurper you have to introduce a new line of gods. Ramses II wasn't an usurper -- he was the son and grandson and great-grandson of pharaohs.
more importantly this is the foundations of a religon.
Which religion?