Originally posted by ChrisF231
Isent that what Anna Chapman/Anna Kushchenko did? I recall hearing that she was in the UK for a few years before she came to the US to spy on us.
That's right, she was apparently in London at one point. There are pictures of her with London landmarks in the background.
Originally posted by ChrisF231
In regards to this story, I cannot believe that Special Branch refuses to entertain the thought that this was job related. Let's face it, killing
someone and stuffing them into a bad indicates a plan. This was no lover's spat and Special Branch needs to look into the possibility of his murder
being work related.
If Special Branch pubically said the man's death was work-related, then MI6 might be a little annoyed, namely because they will never confirm the
identity of someone as their agent.
Special Branch are almost certainly looking into his death as being job-related, they simply can not rule that possibility out, although it's perhaps
more likely MI5, MI6 and GCHQ are looking at this more as espionage and cloak and dagger is very much their thing.
But if Special Branch said "Yes, we believe his work was work-related." well then, people and an ungagged media would surmise that he died because
his job was dangerous, and conclude that not only did he just 'work' for GCHQ and MI6, but was a spy.
Which would lead to the next questions: Who did it, and why? Who would kill a spy?
And then the speculating, accusations and evidence-gathering from the media begins. Finger pointed at Russia by the UK. Imagine the diplomatic
fallout, at a time when Obama and Medvedev are getting nice and cosy and there's this supposed treaty to mutually reduce nukes.
The CIA are probably hoping MI6 keeps this quiet in case it is the Russians, because the diplomatic fallout would have repurcussions.
And of course, if it is confirmed that Williams is an MI6 agent, and was killed by the Russians, it would be (allegedly) the second asset of MI6 to be
killed by the Russians since Litvenenko.
That does not make MI6 look all that good, but it does not make the FSB look good either.
Russia has always claimed that Litvenenko was killed as a result of an inter-Russian exile dispute.
So if William's death was job-related, it will almost certainly be kept quiet except where diplomatic leverage can be gained. Then the leaks might
One thing we should take into consideration is what Putin said on the 25th July in the wake of the busting of the Russian Spy Ring in the US, when the
spies returned to Russia. In an interview, it seems Putin gives a chilling warning to those who he sees as "traitors" and "sellouts" of the
For the sake of clarity, I have emboldened the parts I consider the most relevant:
“We know traitors by names” – Putin (Includes Video of Interview)
“We know traitors by names” – Putin
Published 25 July, 2010, 15:13
Edited 10 August, 2010, 17:28
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin shared some details of his meeting with the returned spies.
Question: And you won’t say anything else?
Vladimir Putin: Well, you are not asking anything else.
Q: What did you talk about?
VP: About life.
Q: They say you did some karaoke singing together.
VP: We did some singing, though not karaoke.
Q: What did you sing then?
VP: We sang to live music.
Q: Live music, and what songs did you sing?
VP: “Where does the Motherland start” – seriously, I’m not kidding you, and some other songs of the same kind.
I'll stop here and state that, the building where Williams lived is according to The Guardian, in the name of a business based in the British Virgin
Islands named New Rodina, which as I stated in my last post means "New Motherland" in Russian.
So, Putin says a song he sung with the spies was "Where does the Motherland
Here's some more of the interview:
Q: Was Anna Kuchenko present?
Q: Anna Chapman.
VP: Yes, she was. You know, there is not much to add here. Dmitry Medvedev already said that this is the result of a sell-out. And sellouts always
come to no good, they end up in a ditch either drunk or drugged. The other day one such traitor kicked the bucket exactly like that, abroad. And there
is no point doing it, really…
And now we have the death of an apparent MI6 man. Abroad. In London. In a building called "New Rodina (Motherland)" .
Putin says he sang "Where does the Motherland begin" with the returned spies. Was this mention of the song a codeword for who busted the Russian spy
ring in the US?
Was Williams seen as a seen as a "traitor" and "sell-out" in connection with the Russian spy ring by Russia? Or was he in command of Russian
"traitors" and "sell-outs" who gave away the identity of the Russian spies in the US to the FBI?
Q: You mean that you know all traitors by names?
VP: Of course we do.
Q: And you aren’t going to punish them in any way, are you? You think they will just somehow..?
VP: I think that is an improper question. And such decisions are not made at a press conference. Intelligence agencies have their own code, and all
their staff follow it.
"Intelligence agencies have their own code, and all their staff follow it."
'Where does The Motherland begin'..... New Rodina (Motherland)?
As for these people, I can say that it has been a hard lot for each and every one of them. Just imagine – you must learn a foreign language as if it
were your mother tongue, you’d have to think in it, and speak it, and execute all the tasks set by the motherland for many long years and
with no diplomatic cover to back you up, and facing threats to your own safety and that of your families when, say, your own children don’t even
know what you do.
Cloak and Dagger is known as such for a reason.
[edit on 27-8-2010 by Regensturm]