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FDR slamming the Federal Reserve and elite

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posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson — and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W. W. The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States — only on a far bigger and broader basis.



Unhappy events abroad have retaught us two simple truths about the liberty of a democratic people. The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any other controlling private power.

The second truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if its business system does not provide employment and produce and distribute goods in such a way as to sustain an acceptable standard of living. Both lessons hit home. Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing.





FDR, the greatest American president, IMO, slamming the two biggest problems of his time and ours. The elite and the Fed.

He was a true champion of the American workers and Middle Class, whether you like him or not you have to admit that he was not afraid to use the 'Bully Pulpit' to defend the American people. If he was here today this crap with the BP oil disaster would not have occurred and if it did, he would jump out of his wheel chair and run down to Louisiana to defend the ordinary American.

Just look at my picture on ATS, it is the truth. Obama, Clinton, Carter and LBJ are not real Democrats, they are huge corporate sellouts and don't give a # about the working American. Same with every Republican after Eisenhower, they don't care anymore either. It's all about big business and catering to their interests at the expense of everyone else.

Washington has turned into a crime scene. Our government has been raped, beat, robbed and tortured at the expense of Americans and America.

FDR was right then and his message is still right, now!




posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 12:41 AM
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Not one single comment? I figured there would be some support, some shock and some attacks.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by Misoir
Not one single comment? I figured there would be some support, some shock and some attacks.


Are you kidding? Everything that's wrong is because of FDR and the progressives. You're cramping Glenn Beck's (et al's) style and reason for existence by providing actual quotes from the individual that contradict all that. That's not acceptable and not the agenda of the more "right" faction. There's plenty around here that would wish to bury this thread, methinks because some of the more popular members spew reinterpreted or even plain false history that miseducates the gullible.

(Though I am a bit peeved at the use of 'democracy' when it's a republic. I suspect 'democrary' is progressive code for a sort of global society.)

I was waiting for some comments before jumping in. Well, I jumped now.


[edit on 8/25/2010 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 02:29 AM
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Thank you for posting, I am shocked that there aren't many people that want to reply to this thread. I mean it's some pretty big stuff, FDR taking on the FED!? Holy crap!

But no one apparently cares, I just want a discussion.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:40 AM
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FDR was no angel.

I haven't done extensive study on his presidency, but he did allow the confiscation of gold from the citizens in 1933. Failure to turn in anything but jewelery got you a huge fine and jail time. This was probably forced upon him by the Federal Reserve bankers.

FDR also stacked the supreme court in order to accomplish things that were unconstitutional before his time.

Also FDR rolled out Social Security. A light version of socialism thats been incrementally increased ever since.

If you know your history, you know that in 1934 there was an attempted coup d'état against FDR by rich industrialist that was thwarted largely due to the efforts of U.S. Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler (ret.)

General Smedley Butler wrote a book called "war is a racket"

Also there was an investigation into this Coup. Look into the McCormick Dicksteen Committee findings you'll find some shocking revelations.

"In politics nothing happens by accident, if it happens you can bet it was planned that way." -Franklin D. Roosevelt




[edit on 25-8-2010 by zzombie]



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:13 AM
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I know FDR did a lot of bad things too, but as for my opinion (being an FDR-JFK Democrat) I take the bad with the good. I weigh his impacts and it ways out in favor of him and his policies.

I never heard of that possible coup against him either, that made me furious!
Those rich bastards were willing to overthrow the government just for messing with their money, that pretty much shows you who's allegiance they are with, and it damn sure isn't Americans.

Who was one of the main conspirators? PRESCOTT BUSH, the great grandfather of George W. Bush. He wanted to establish a Fascist state in America by overthrowing FDR. Isn't it funny that just 30 years later George H.W. Bush was high ranking in the CIA when allegations are floating around that the CIA killed Kennedy.

Then this treason scum becomes president!? Ronald Reagan enacted a coup against America, and he got what those rich bankers wanted in the '30s. The implications from just this one conspiracy go far, very far. Why would Ronald Reagan pick George H.W. Bush as VP unless they were close. And it was his father who was part of the coup against Roosevelt.

When Reagan became president he did a light coup, with his huge dismantling of labor unions, workers rights and manufacturing he sold our country out and established a Fascist type regime where corporations and the government work together against the American people. Then H.W. Bush becomes president and continues this role, of course Clinton came along because they needed Neoliberal Democrats to take the country back from the Republican Fascist regime.

Then George W. Bush is elected during a controversy around the election in Florida, and FOX NEWS was the only network calling Florida for Bush and isn't it a coincidence that one of Bush's (family or friends?) worked in the top levels of FOX News and they had a mostly Republican Supreme Court.

So that leads to now, notice this war against a tax increase on the top 2% of 4% and they are treating this like it's the collapse of America! Well, I wouldn't be surprised if it was. The straw that breaks the camel’s back, Wall Street hates Obama for some reason and I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually talking about a potential coup if Obama does anything that helps workers against the wishes of big business.

A 1934 style coup? Except this time it actually happens? I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't one of the Bush losers involved in any potential coup plot against Obama.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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FDR was a fascist pig

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[edit on 25-8-2010 by mnemeth1]



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 11:50 AM
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Before this thread goes in into FDR-worship or -bashing, everyone should remember that the President's role is not to draft legislation, but to choose between policies advanced to him by his advisors. A good president can make a bad decision, if it is the least awful of the options presented to him.

This is presented with delicious irony in the Simpsons movie, where the head of the EPA gives President Schwartzenegger five dossiers, each containing an EPA contingency plan for the disaster in Springfield. (Good movie btw)



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 11:59 AM
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Always pay close attention to who gets assassinated or an attempt.

Those are the cats you want to listen to and follow.

Abraham Lincoln

JFK (coup d'état by those in the Bush posse or circle of power)

Ronald Reagan (coup d'état by Bush Sr and Co.)
"No one realizes that Bush Sr was a 2 term president."

Sure they may have been bad to begin with but they came around and said ENOUGH is ENOUGH



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by superluminal11
Always pay close attention to who gets assassinated or an attempt.


FDR does fit that and the hero Smedley Butler, mentioned by another poster, was involved in exposing a coup de etat agaist FDR. Of course the Klan involvement should be ignored, yep (sarcasm). Most of this outrage is against the "wrong" people getting any sort of benefits at the "right" people's expense.

The American Liberty league, who was supposedly involved in the coup and primarily funded by the DuPont family, was a conservative democratic organization. Their goals sounded much the same as a typical right-winger or even libertarian of today: "Defend and uphold the Constitution" and to "Foster the right to work, earn, save and acquire property." While that sounds great to the naive, really it's obvious that it's about maintaining disparity of resources, class division and cheap labor. What we call "neo-conservative" now in fact used to be referred to as "neo-liberal". The apparent inclusiveness of the Democratic party sent them packing and moving over to the Republican party as a platform.

I'm also sick of seeing many people getting their monthly social security checks also being the ones protesting the progressive ideology when it's precisely that that allows them to sit around and complain or join tea parties. They aren't complaining about receiving their own entitlements, that's for sure.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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You lost me at "FDR, the greatest American president". He was holding one of the hammers nailing down the lid of the coffin that America has been stuffed into.

/Q



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 02:12 PM
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Really? Cause his uncle was one of the original members of the fed board.

Fredric Delano, in which FDR was named after. silliness.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Thumb
Really? Cause his uncle was one of the original members of the fed board.

Fredric Delano, in which FDR was named after. silliness.



Thats exactly what I was thinking...blood is thicker then water. And you cant tell me that he didnt use any of that money, power or whatever else his family had to get into office. Reminds me of Obama saying he doesnt like the patriot act and wants to repeal it but never did. Same old bs. Just saying something to appease the masses.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 05:40 PM
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It is possible that he discovered the criminality of his family's wealth after the fact, especially after gaining access to Presidential security clearance and records. We shouldn't rush to judge heads of state, they so rarely get to be themselves!



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 06:15 PM
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Absurd. If you did some research you could find that he (FDR) always referred to Fredric Delano as his "favorite uncle"

Not to mention, he castrated America by removing the gold standard on a National level. Do you, or anyone else find in odd that the only 2 anomalies of President's terms, in America's history were around the same time the gold standard was abandoned? Gold and silver have been used for 6000 years.....we are only floating on 39 years of just paper.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 06:45 PM
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Well, there's not enough gold in the world, or ever mined for that matter, to back all the money now one-to-one (less than 2 trillion worth). It's clearly impractical to pine over the good 'ol days of bullion.

If I'm pondering a gold standard it's more like:


Buddha, not Bullion!



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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It's nice to see FDR talking trash about the Fed and the elites.

Problem is, lots of politicians talk smack about stuff like that but, when it comes time to put their money where their mouth is, they end up showing their true allegances.

Show me where FDR actually took action against the Fed or the elites and I might be ready to jump on the bandwagon.

Until then: FDR =



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 07:53 PM
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Hey, you could stop and consider that FDR's New Deal actually prevented what could have blossomed into a full blown Communist revolution akin to 1917 Russia... the New Deal, although it was a flirtation with socialism, was certainly not the left-wing conspiracy that people make it out to be. The idea behind the deal was the finding of a middle ground, a way to satisfy the labor movement without eliminating capitalism. FDR worked very closely with the capitalist class to reach these concession, because he understood a fact that we all need to learn: economics is not a set science; it doesn't bow to natural laws. It ebbs and flows as history marches. Thus, we must adopt and change with it. There is the time to move left and times to move to the right. Clinging to strict ideology will only lead to stagnation either way.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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That's what I love about ATS; you guys know how to think outside the box.




I never would have thought about the New Deal that way if you hadn't brought it up.

Thanks.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 08:02 PM
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Hey, no problem. I find FDR to be a really fascinating character, because it seems that depending on which side the political spectrum one is on, his actions take on a completely different tone. But FDR is really unclassifiable. Perhaps the New Deal was flawed, but I truly believe America would be far closer to what the Soviet Union was if it had never been enacted.



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