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Originally posted by Demoncreeper
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by Demoncreeper
So threatening arrest of debtors does not involve violence?
I have a hard time following your logic.
So if I refused to pay, the police should hand me a lollipop and tell me I'm a bad person?
No. Being arrested means your rights are being temporarily deprived for a reason you caused. If you understand and comply with directions, no violence is required on either party.
Originally posted by truthquest
There are two very big points of disagreement I have with that. Firstly, arrests should generally never said to be caused by the person being arrested until after they have been declared guilty in a court of law. Secondly, the act of physically restraining someone is a violent act. If you don't believe me, physically restrain the next person you see on the street and then tell them you are not doing anything violent against them and watch their reaction. Some acts of violence are justified. Others are not.
Originally posted by Demoncreeper
Originally posted by truthquest
There are two very big points of disagreement I have with that. Firstly, arrests should generally never said to be caused by the person being arrested until after they have been declared guilty in a court of law. Secondly, the act of physically restraining someone is a violent act. If you don't believe me, physically restrain the next person you see on the street and then tell them you are not doing anything violent against them and watch their reaction. Some acts of violence are justified. Others are not.
1) Really? So what, we just say " Hey dude, you should probably go to court, cause your breaking the law"?
2) Yes, physically restraining can be violent. But arresting doesn't necessarily mean physically restraining, unless the person under arrest decides it should be. That is a choice made by the "suspect" being arrested.
To stay on topic,
Pay your taxes.
Originally posted by truthquest
I'd encourage people not to pay US Federal taxes. It is worse than wasting money. They use it to KILL people and make pointless wars. If you object to pointless wars and death, don't pay your taxes. I'm such an advocate of this that if they were to tax my income I'd simply make less money on purpose just so they couldn't have any of it.
And even at the local level a lot of the time money is use to kidnap and cage people for victimless crimes, so consider not paying that either depending on what your government is up to.
Either taxes is voluntary, or it is theft and therefore not really taxes but rather extortion. The law must act within the letter of their own law or they are not the law at all but a band of mafia thugs in a state of "anarchy" (chaos).
Originally posted by Demoncreeper
Your taxes not only fund the black ops, but the white ops. Like building schools, funding hospitals, fixing roads, keeping your street lights on so the boogey men don't get you and you don't have to call the tax paid "thug" rule enforcers to protect you.
Have your opinion. It can't be wrong if you believe it.
Originally posted by backwherewestarted
Threads like this and people like the OP make me laugh.
Pay your taxes.
Originally posted by rakkasansct
So are you advocating for a monarchy? Or what form of govt do you think we should have?
Originally posted by dfens
reply to post by mnemeth1
Yes, but if it were not a government entity pushing this then it would surely be extortion.
People fail to pay taxes for many different reasons, that is irrelevant because it happens all the time. The real problem would be the people who are simply negligent, then find out they owe many times more because of their negligence and flatout refuse to pay. A 50$ tab can turn into a thousand very fast. My suspicion is that these are the situations that are being enforced by these arrest warrants.
As evidenced by this thread, the fear campaign works. Pay or sit in jail. People won't want to find out, so they'll play dudley doright and keep the system going. I really think they just want to get people in court so they can take whatever they can. That happens all the time too. Still, hard to get blood from a turnip, and the only real payoff would be to scare the rest of the mob into being good citizens and ponying up their share. The real tax cheats have no problem with arrest warrants. They disappear.
Originally posted by Lightrule
Did you go to law school to be a "Law Enforcement Officer"? The answer is probably a big fat NO.
So then I must ask, what makes you think you know the law well enough to enforce it?
"I'm just doing my job sir/ma'am" is getting pretty pathetic these days.
"The lawyers and judges will sort it out" - If you don't even understand why you have arrested the person then why have you arrested the person?
This is why people are getting sick of the sick twisted system. Its all coming crashing down and people are waking up. The more the merrier I say!
-Lightrule
All definitions copied from dictionary.law.com...