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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by mnemeth1
But those are by this government's rules, not by your anarchic rules, if you go with this government's rules then you have to automatically obey all of their rules. If you believe JPZ, that means that you contract with them and have to obey all their rules.
Sure they have, if you obey the speed limit, you contract with the government that you will continue to obey the speed limit and all other laws they pass for the road.
In fact, if you go by the freeman mentality, one must always disobey all laws in order to not be contracted by the government, if one law is obeyed then by proxy you contract to obey all laws or face the penalty of breaking that contract.
Originally posted by Lightrule
To all you people that think it is mandatory you pay your taxes I have something for you to ponder...
In Can/US the government exists. We can all agree on this right?
Now this government that exists claims to be one of REPRESENTATION. Still Follow?
In order for someone/thing to represent you you must first give them/it your PERMISSION.
Permission that must be given freely. When you revoke your permission for the government to represent you then what?
Think about it... please?
Now if you really have thought about it and still think paying taxes is the right thing to do, then fine. You are entitled to think that, however you are not entitled to assume I must pay my taxes as well. There is no "us and them" anyway... We are all the same, pro-government/tax/welfare people just don't know it yet.
-Lightrule
Originally posted by IsALL
Originally posted by mnemeth1
I did not lie.
Sending out arrest warrants is a violent threat.
Again you lie.... they didn't send out "arrest warrants" they sent out "civil warrants".
Sending out warrants is not violent. That is as non-violent as it gets! Yes it is a threat to their bank account and property if they don't pay, but not in any way violent.
This is an honest question. Is your first language english?
[edit on 26-8-2010 by IsALL]
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by mnemeth1
The manager didn't give you a choice.
He rammed the steak down your throat.
Then in this case, you not only get a free steak, but you also could probably have the restaurant owner arrested for assault, and sue him for everything he has.
Yea, that analogy doesn't fly at all.
Fact is, this thread is yet another of your pointless fear mongering tax rant threads.
Yeah, he should be happy about having a steak rammed down his throat that he didn't order.
That uncomfortable feeling you have right now is called cognitive dissonance.
You know it's wrong to violently loot people and force things upon them, yet you need to justify this to yourself as being good.
It's not good.
It's wrong.
[edit on 26-8-2010 by mnemeth1]
Originally posted by earthdude
The analogy is hard to work with. We all get steak, things the government provides. I agree that we should not be taxed for it. The government has plenty of ways to finance itself. It is wrong but we all have agreed to pitch in. Not pitching in does not change the laws, it only releases the violence cops are paid to do.
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by mnemeth1
The ideological flaw in your position is that you say you don't want the steak right now because you've got your own steak.
And if you don't want the steak, then why should anyone else be entitled to it.
But what happens on the day that you realize you're fresh out of steak and suddenly feel hungry?
But what happens on the day that you realize you're fresh out of steak and suddenly feel hungry?
Originally posted by earthdude
reply to post by mnemeth1
You have to use things the government provides. Think about it. How are you going to survive not using roads. Who is going to protect you against stronger enemies? No way can you live apart from it, there will always be something the government is giving you.
Originally posted by earthdude
reply to post by mnemeth1
You have to use things the government provides. Think about it. How are you going to survive not using roads. Who is going to protect you against stronger enemies? No way can you live apart from it, there will always be something the government is giving you.
Originally posted by Demoncreeper
reply to post by mnemeth1
Arrest
Pay your damn taxes
[edit on 24-8-2010 by Demoncreeper]
How about you pay your unratified income taxes, and i will do like the founding father said, i will pursue my happiness another day.
Originally posted by bad man incorporated
reply to post by Lightrule
Mind if I add you as a friend?
Originally posted by Buddywhasisname
Your taxes go to pay the interest on the national debt.......that the government owes the fed/international foriegn interests.