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Debunk evolution once and for all

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posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by jake62
There are 2 videos on www.stopnwo.com... you should see. The 1st video on this web page is about the cells that could not have evolved, the parts of the cell all had to be created at the same time. The 4th video is by Lloyd Pye. He destroys evolution in this video. It is about 2 hours long, but worth every minute. He explains how apes and hominoids can not speak and the chances we evolved from them is impossible. Our bone thinkness and structure is different too.

They he explains how we were created at the DNA level and by whom. He also explains how long humans have been on earth.

Very worthwhile.

If you want to find out more about who and how we were created and how we were treated go to the web sites main page www.stopnwo.com... and go down the left side of the page until you get to the Enki tablets. It is all in there.


You mean "scientific" video's debunking evolution and making statements like these?



In this first tablet video it appears the Annunaki’s home planet is having trouble with a breech in their atmosphere. The answer is to place finely powdered gold in the upper atmosphere to do a repair. This decision was not until a fight amongst them ended in the killing of the king.


Mhhhhh, yeah...about the above...HOW CAN YOU BASH EVOLUTION AND THEN MAKE A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT LIKE THE ONE ABOVE?? How blinded and brainwashed do you have to be to seriously criticise evolution with all its proof, just to then come up with some completely crazy alternative idea that isn't even backed up by any scientific proof??

And why? Just because you believe the "crazy theory" fits your belief system better than evolution.

Look, if you're not willing to use proper scientific method, and rather go to "Christian science websites" like the one you posted to get some biased info, there's no point in discussing. There's so much hogwash and misinformation on that site I don't even know where to begin.

I love how he starts of by saying we can't have evolved from monkeys because our bone structure is different and heavier. For real Sherlock?? Maybe, just maybe, that's because we didn't evolve from TODAY'S MONKEYS! We have a common ancestor, that's all.




posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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For all those who believe the formation of physical characteristics
such as the eyes, mouth, nose, and ears, just so happened to
*magically* appear in the skull, (which is THE most efficient location),
might need to reconsider the evidence of well designed PLACEMENT,
among other things.)

For instance, our ears not only possess an intricate labyrinth of a
boney structure that decodes invisible vibrations/sound waves,
into innumerous SPECIFIC clear audible sounds, but the ear
also operates as the key magistrate of our BALANCE.

Do you realize the machinations of balance within the inner ear
are so finely tuned that a mere deviance or infraction inside the
inner ear can literally turn a person's world upside down?

Matter of fact, humanity could be brought to a complete halt
as a functioning species, if there were a sudden loss of inner ear
balance caused by a world-wide event.

Actually, if the entire human race suddenly lost the function
of merely ONE of our important senses, the human species
would cease functioning as we know it,.... literally brought
to our knees.

THAT's how important Balance is.

Imagine if there were an event that caused mass blindness!

Like a massive Gamma Ray Burst that burnt every retina on the planet.

Chaos would most definitely ensue, because of the cessation of public transportation....and to assuage such a situation, many things would have to be re-designed... by BLIND PEOPLE!! LoL

Sincerely, for those who continue to stamp the shallow imprint of opinion encapsulated in the statement "it just evolved that way" regarding the advantageous placement of organs etc., are displaying intellectually short sightedness, and taking for granted the phenomenal machinations manifested in the natural world that benefit and enhance our human experience, as well as encouraging our survival and the survival of all species.

Is it even scientifically and rationally possible that the above mentioned is mere serendipitous and beneficial by whimsy and luck of the draw?

If one is in alignment with the crap shoot of a string of lucky
biological machinations THEORY... then one qualifies as having not pondered
the 'luck of the draw' of the entire evolutionary process, by
asking questions that begin with the word "HOW...??"

How can a blind non-intelligent haphazard system know what is beneficial in regards to placement?

It can't.

The "How?" questions originate from different angles of perspective, rather than accepting one dimensional answer emerging from the atheistic no-ID realm of Science...who are trying to convince you that all the wonderous biological machinations of the human body, etc., including self-healing, DNA repair, and reproduction using a vast complicated 'language' that could fill a set of Encylopedias....

can be 'created' by an unpurposed non-intelligent blind process.

LOL

Challenging the the no-ID evolution theory passed down
thru the ages, via science and public school indoctrinations,
requires perceptive height, that dares to wander
outside the acceptable boundaries of what science enjoys
by acting as some kind of authority regarding what is and is not our reality,

implementing their one dimensional one sided explanations of a very complicated biological system. They can only explain how
things physically came about, without even pondering the
questions that start with "HOW??"
Oh sure, the machinations of evolution are evident, but the honing process, the branching off of specifically different species...
each species fulfilling a purpose in the grand food chain and circle/cycle of life.....

while possessing incredible biological manifestations of NECESSARY GLANDs AND ORGANs...all held within
the boney infrastructure of the beautifully designed skeletal systems that are specifically designed for the needs and environmental applications for each specific species...and the perfection of such.

Now consider the above ^^^^



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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(continued)
Combine it with the LACK of evidence for transitional populations of species, that should be imbued with gross flaws of an evolutionary process, (that so many attempt to convince is a haphazard non-intelligent, unguided, blind system that does not manifest from anything resembling intelligence, forethought, or purpose.)

In a non-intelligent, blind wandering haphazard unguided biological system, it's incredulous to believe that anything resembling intelligent purposed design, such as correct and beneficial PLACEMENT of eyes, arms, legs, organs, etc...

shouldn't produce such well designed species, but should rather produce THOUSANDS of varieties of malformed species from the get-go, that possess non-advantageous positioning of eyes on the ass, or ears on the bottom of the feet, with the nose near the belly button, and the mouth positioned at mid-back and feet sprouting from the top of the head.

But wait.......there has NEVER been evidence of any population
of species with such chaotic malpurposed non-beneficial hodpodge of organ misplacements.

Which is odd, because logically, a non-intelligent blind haphazard systems cannot recognize that which is BENEFICIAL. Much less slowly produce/create characteristics that are more advantageous
in overall design, purpose, and befitting to environmental
influences.

What should be arising from what some believe is a virtually
haphazard non-intelligent unguided system, are the presence of
entire populations of species, spanning generations for eons,
that possess grossly flawed evolutionary biological mishaps/mistakes.

Yet archeologists have yet to find such populations.

What they DO find are species that possess biological manifestations in the most beneficial place for purposed optimum functioning and survival within that specific environment.

And thus it has been since the beginning of time....unless the environment suddenly experiences a flux, that supercedes and overwhelms the inherent coping mechanisms of the species.

Balance and purpose is not only an important characteristic of
of our ears, but is also present in the orchestrations between
our brain, organs and glands. Anyone who has studied the
endocrine system is aware of the plethora of maladies that
occur if the above becomes out of balance.

BALANCE is not only present within the human species,
but also runs pervasive throughout the entire spectrum of species
under the canopy of the earth's biosphere that encompasses
an atmosphere consisting of chemical elements that are perfectly
balanced, and work together as some kind of collective consciousness, for the continued survival of all species.

The overall impression one can easily conclude from the above
is that there is an intelligent conscious force behind nature that
constantly encourages balance, thus creating Order to emerge
from chaos.


and that my dears...is not a force that is born from an unintelligent, haphazard, blind, accidental serendipitous process.

Evolution is impossible! It can not considering these facts be true.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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If you mention the words "luck" and "pure chance" with evolution, you really have no clue what evolution is...but rather listen to how Christian leaders define it.

And you believe our physical characteristics show signs of intelligent design? I'm not sure, but having to breathe and eat through the same orifice isn't all that "intelligent" given that thousands of people suffocate every year because some food gets stuck in their throats. And our eyes really suck compared to what animals can see...so does our sense of smelling and hearing.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but apart from our larger brains and thumbs, we're really not that special.

Intelligent design? More like "stupid" design!



If you're calling evolution hogwash, you're ignoring FACTS...especially if your alternative involves a creator, for whom we have ZERO evidence. And no, saying something is "so complex only a creator could have designed it" isn't called evidence...that's called filling gaps in knowledge with wish belief.

In ancient times people considered "fire" complex and attributed it to god(s). Then they did the same with meteorites, the sun, the moon, and countless other things...we can now explain them all! And guess what, no god's necessary for them to exist.

Just because something's complex doesn't mean it was designed. And in the case of evolution we have the explanation, we don't even need to fill a gap in knowledge with unicorns or other fairy tale creates "to make it work".



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 12:40 PM
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Are you[snip]serious?! The reason all these birth defects happen is because of all the drugs, pollution, bacteria in foods, stuff we take in everyday and not know about affect these babies being born like this. There are really stupid people on this forum. Evolution has always been false and will never be considered fact, but only a separate religion because it also takes a lot of faith to believe what evolutionists believe. I believe in God creating the heavens and the earth, and thats it.


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posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 01:21 PM
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Evolution is already a fact, and while I haven't watched the video, from the still of it I'm assuming they are talking about Harlequin babies. This is caused by a form of congenital icthyosis which has been around since at least 1750. And what about things like asthma which goes back to at least 450 BC, or diabetes which goes back to the 6th century BC, or mental retardation which is present throughout all of history? All of these things are genetic in nature and have been present for thousands of years. These are not signs of a benevolent creator, but deleterious mutations.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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How can a blind non-intelligent haphazard system know what is beneficial in regards to placement?


It doesn't. What is useful succeeds and is passed to the next generation, what is a hindrance ends up getting things killed and they don't get to pass on those genes. In case you didn't know that's what natural selection is. Eyes, ears, sensory perception, are all useful to survival, and so creatures that evolve those features are more likely to pass on their genes than those that don't. How is that so hard to understand?



from the atheistic no-ID realm of Science


There are theists who accept Evolution, in fact most theists outside the USA accept Evolution. Science is not inherently atheistic.



theory passed down thru the ages


Darwin died in 1882, that's hardly "passed down through the ages"... unlike Creationism, which was passed down through the ages from the first time Genesis was ever printed until this very day. The scientific theory has grown stronger, gained mountains of evidence to support it (the discovery and study of genetics being the best evidence), and gained a scientific consensus as a result. Creationism on the other hand still clings to myth, irreducible complexity, and arguments from ignorance typically attacking Abiogenesis more than evolution.



Now consider the above


No offense but it seems to me to be an argument from irreducible complexity. Are you saying that natural systems are vastly complex so that means the Intelligent Design proponents might be right?



Combine it with the LACK of evidence for transitional populations of species


All you have to do is type in Transitional Fossils into the wikipedia search bar... it really isn't hard... Or did you mean transitional species who are living today? You are aware that every species is, at all times, in transition, aren't you? Every generation changes according to changes in the genetics and epigenetics of organisms. Earlier in this very thread I posted a link about the Tibetan people, how they have evolved specific genes that help them thrive at higher altitudes... If they were to remain in isolation there for a few hundred thousand years they may well become a new species.



such as correct and beneficial PLACEMENT of eyes


No it isn't. Those organisms that evolved eyes in an advantageous place SURVIVED BETTER than those that evolved them in less advantageous positions. This is just an argument from irreducible complexity and ignorance.

Evolution of the Eye



there has NEVER been evidence of any population of species with such chaotic malpurposed non-beneficial hodpodge of organ misplacements


There are 'design' flaws even in us humans (we have a blindspot for instance).

The reason we don't find fatally flawed organisms is because such an organism would not be able to survive long enough to pass on its genes and in order to still be alive today that would mean it would have to have had a successfully reproductive evolutionary lineage.



that which is BENEFICIAL


Right, but the pain of cold hard reality CAN, that which is beneficial BENEFITS THE ORGANISM.

I'm just going to stop here since you seem to just be rambling over the same few points none of which offer any evidence against Evolution or for Intelligent Design.



Evolution is impossible!


And yet we've directly observed it (look up OBSERVED SPECIATION) and even taken advantage of it (ever heard of selective breeding?).



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 02:38 PM
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For all those who believe the formation of physical characteristics such as the eyes, mouth, nose, and ears, just so happened to *magically* appear in the skull


You mean the creationists?



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posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:35 PM
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Ok if you want to believe your great grandfather was a dirt @ss monkey go ahead.


Why such a pejorative attitude?

For me, the idea that all life on Earth is one big family is indeed beautiful..



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:38 PM
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Actually, ALL of our, yours, mine and everybody's VERY distant ancestors (real cute, and incredibly ignorant, to say that it's as recent as someone's "grandfather"....quite insulting, too)....have some common ancestors.

AND, you might consider them to be similar in appearance to "monkeys".

Not precise, since we and "monkeys" are quite apart, on the tree of evolution's branches.


WATCH this...it doesn't go back that far, there are others. But, gist is, we ALL come from the originals who evolved on the African continent.

THOSE individuals derived, eventually, from other related species, going back millions of years in time.

WATCH all 13 parts, (follow the YouTube link) IF you no longer wish to wallow in ignorance -- at least, MAYBE this will teach someone, somewhere, a hint of the tip of the iceberg of truth....:




posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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No evolution is a fact. We have witnessed minor mutations and speciation in the lab. These things are evolution. The modern evolution synthesis simply provides a framework for the observed fact of evolution. Let me ask you something. If evolution is false, how do things like vaccines work?



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by ShakeNBake
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Are you f***ing serious?! The reason all these birth defects happen is because of all the drugs, pollution, bacteria in foods, stuff we take in everyday and not know about affect these babies being born like this. There are really stupid people on this forum. Evolution has always been false and will never be considered fact, but only a separate religion because it also takes a lot of faith to believe what evolutionists believe. I believe in God creating the heavens and the earth, and thats it.


You're entitled to believe whatever you want, this is a free country. Doesn't change the fact that you're obviously ignoring all the facts and rather believing in "unicorn-fairy-tale" versions of creation.

Scientists working in relevant fields accept evolution as fact, it's not something that's really debatable. The only ones debating it are the religious hardliners because it goes against their belief, or so they think.

Everyone with a brain who had at least a basic biology course will see how self-evident evolution is. Hell, a lot of modern medicin and science is directly based on the findings we got form the evolutionary theory. If evolution were wrong, you wouldn't have half the vaccines we have today.

You can close your eyes and be a blind, brainwashed sheep all you want...but you can't change FACTS. Facts say evolution is right and your "talking snake" theory is wrong because we have a ton of evidence for evolution, but none for creationism.

And no, saying something is "complex" and therefore requires a creator isn't proof.

Oh, and before you call anyone on this forum stupid you should really look in the mirror. You are blatantly disregarding scientific FACTS just because they disagree with you fairy-tale beliefs. Ignoring facts, not acting rationally, and disregarding basic logic aren't signs of intelligence...they're signs of IGNORANCE! So like I said, I don't think you're entitled to call someone stupid while you are so brainwashed that you disregards basic scientific facts. Go take a course in biology or something before judging something you so obviously have no clue about!

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posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by ShakeNBake

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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Evolution is already a fact, and while I haven't watched the video, from the still of it I'm assuming they are talking about Harlequin babies. This is caused by a form of congenital icthyosis which has been around since at least 1750. And what about things like asthma which goes back to at least 450 BC, or diabetes which goes back to the 6th century BC, or mental retardation which is present throughout all of history? All of these things are genetic in nature and have been present for thousands of years. These are not signs of a benevolent creator, but deleterious mutations.




Ok if you want to believe your great grandfather was a dirt @ss monkey go ahead. But evolution is not fact. You being a dumb@ss is a fact.


Not really, he's using his brain to come to conclusions instead of blind faith like you. I'd argue he's being clever and you're acting all stupid. I don't mean to offend you, but did you ever have a proper biology class apart from an intro class at high school? Cause it doesn't sound like it...





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posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 04:44 PM
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I'm really looking forward to the next 100 years! Every single year science is able to explain more and more things that we couldn't explain before...things that religious people attributed to god because of our lack of knowledge.

A few hundred years ago, it was fire...we now know how fire works. After that it was meteorites, we solved that too. After that we figured out evolution and applied it to hundreds of applications in medicin and modern science. They just launched a new orbital observatory which allows us to map the universe like never before and look "into the past" by examining background radiation.

The religious people are running out of arguments quickly, which explains why some groups like the evangelical right is increasing their fight to spread ignorance. They won't succeed, common sense, rationality, and logic will prevail over blind faith and ignorance!! We live in the 21st century, and NOT the middle ages!




posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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Vaccines "work" because there are certain "things" in it that will help keep outside diseases from hurting you. Vaccines has nothing to do with evolution.



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