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Originally posted by oozyism
I'm sick of Atheist and any anti-Religious, or anti-God movement who revolve all their arguments around evolution.
GOD takes the idea of evolution as an insult to him. I would also be insulted if someone came around and claimed computers and technology came to exist by mere chance.
[edit on 23-8-2010 by oozyism]
The problem is in discussing God or a god, is that everyone has a different idea what God is or should be.
My personal understanding is that the Root is "Awareness" for without "Awareness", Nothing at all would be known to exist.
Without “Awareness” there would be NO natural selection. As I accept "Natural Selection" so “Awareness” would have to exist first, otherwise NO selection would knowingly take place!
Is it the Cause or the Manifestation which is Evolving ???
Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
So now just because you use a "catch word" Science, that the interpretation by a Primate having a few letters attached to his name awarded by other "Primates" is flawless???
Ever watched "Planet of the apes"?
Do you really believe our technology will still be the same say in 10,000 years?
Or do you think they (in 10,000 years) will look back and have a laugh about our so called science today.
Thank goodness Science does change through the ages, as we learn more about our immateral selves, as well as bio-mechanics/Robotics.
I'm not upset at all, I just think that you're taking the matrix movies a bit too seriously. A lot of your posts show some hints of the content of those movies.
That's alright, but in the end, it doesn't change the fact that you're trying to argue about science through philosophy.
That's just not helpful when talking about evolution. I mean, what's next? You wanna talk about medicine and how consciousness (see, I can underline stuff too) effects it...and how the "heart" is just an image of our consciousness or some other philosophical stuff?
As for why I think what you write is comparable to a religion:
The thread title is "Debunk Evolution"...and you start posting stuff like this...
The problem is in discussing God or a god, is that everyone has a different idea what God is or should be.
What has "god" to do with evolution? There's no scientific proof for god, so it's not helpful at debunking evolution.
My personal understanding is that the Root is "Awareness" for without "Awareness", Nothing at all would be known to exist.
That's a PHILOSOPHICAL statement!
Look, if you really wanna prove this scientifically, make an experiment and show clear evidence that this is the case.
Without “Awareness” there would be NO natural selection. As I accept "Natural Selection" so “Awareness” would have to exist first, otherwise NO selection would knowingly take place!
Again, you make a random claim and use your first claim as backup.
That's NOT science! That's making random claims. Not saying those claims aren't interesting...but they're are science and you can't prove/disprove evolution through philosophy.
That's making random claims. Not saying those claims aren't interesting...but they're are science
Is the Cause or the Manifestation which is Evolving ???
Interesting philosophical thought...but again, nothing but a hypothesis at best.
According to your logic, we have to question every single field in science, including medicine, mechanics, and so on.
Just because you BELIEVE things don't exist unless you're aware of them.
That might, or might not be the case. But it's a philosophical question as we have no means of testing it.
You claiming without awareness nothing exists is therefore nothing but SPECULATION...
similar to religious people speculating about Eden and talking snakes.
The results of science will change. But the actual praxes of science, the methodology, is going to be the same. because it works, and it works amazingly well.
Nice how you colluded "science" and "technology" there, creating a little logical fallacy - the false dilemma.
“Without awareness nothing exists”
Prove to me to the contrary… I await your Scientific evidence on this.
Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by MrXYZ
. . . What upset me, is that I had actually given you more credit before, but you showed me that your development as a person was rather low… I was just disappointed in you. . . .
Some suggest that the bio-mechanics is Life
while others suggest that bio-mechanics is just the vehicle.
I side with the debate that the bio-mechanical structures are just the vehicle…
Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
reply to post by MrXYZ
All I can say is that I feel sorry for you....
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Oh, and of course theory of evolution. Not that you can separate the two really, as if one species evolves over the course of time, it will eventually create a new species over time...we've directly observed it in nature and the lab. And of course the DNA/fossil record backs this up. Keep in mind the theory isn't limited to what Darwin said, we now have DNA backup and a fossil record that's so ridiculously large, doubting it is a bit silly.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
But like I said, I'm looking forward to your arguments...and it'll be a nice change from discussing with the fools over at the 2012 forum section
Originally posted by The Matrix Traveller
But we fill in the gaps when talking about Evolution as well...
The old god of the gaps thingy again..
Plain old guess work...
So it sounds like some make a religion out of Evolution....