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Was John Lennon assasinated because he defected from being an Illuminati pawn?

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posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Before you scoff at the idea, listen to this song below:





Here's the lyrics: (got it from here.

Some parts bolded for emphasis. Parenthesized words are my interpretation of the lyrics.

The name of the song is "Bring on the Lucie" (Lucifer)


(All right boys this is it, over the hill)
We don't care what flag you're waving,
We don't even want to know your name,
We don't care where you're from or where you're going,
All we know is that you came,
You're making all our decisions,
(as they love to do)
We have just one request of you,
That while you're thinking things over,
Here's something you just better do.



I know I am epically late with this song, but when I heard it I KNEW exactly what it meant and it was probably the song that sealed his fate in their eyes.

Being a former student of Crowley, I'm pretty sure he knew too many of their inner secrets and (in their eyes) had to be silenced before he spilled anything.

This song showed them he was not scared to speak out against them our their god (lucifer) and just how far he would go to say it.

Lennon knew at the time very few people would catch on to the true meaning of the song, (most linked it to the harsh treatment of prisoners) but nowadays we can fully understand and appreciate the true meaning of this very powerful song.

What are your feelings?

Mod Edit: External text tags added to post.


[edit on 2010/8/23 by GradyPhilpott]

[edit on 2010/8/23 by GradyPhilpott]




posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:49 PM
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I'm not really sure...its interesting to note that Ono at least was a supporter of the Georgia Guidestones when they were erected.

Also I'm also fascinated with the fact that Pantera's own Dimebag Darrell was also killed on December 8th...also by a crazed fan. or so they would have us believe!



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:00 PM
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My belief is that Lennon was shot and killed by a crackpot. And same with Dimebag Darrell, whose killer also shot and killed 3 others. I don't see any nefarious conspiracy here. Just a couple of whack jobs who killed two talented musicians.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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If John Lennon wanted to get the message out that the world was being controlled by the Illuminati then surely he would just announce it instead of making ambiguous songs about them.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by The Empty Skies
If John Lennon wanted to get the message out that the world was being controlled by the Illuminati then surely he would just announce it instead of making ambiguous songs about them.


Are you sure about that? He was a talented musician, after all..

Why not use the medium he is most skilled at?

Just as I would expect a painter to paint a portrait with clues (da Vinci, anybody), so would I expect a songwriter to compose a song about it.


Not to mention, art lasts throughout time. If he would have just issued a statement,it's likely that this and future generations would have never gotten the memo. But through the medium of song, we have.


By the way, this song is NOT ambiguous in the least. Anyone remotely familiar with the Illuminati and their control over society knows exactly what he is referring to.

He wasn't scared and I respect him immensely for that.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by bg_socalif
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My belief is that Lennon was shot and killed by a crackpot. And same with Dimebag Darrell, whose killer also shot and killed 3 others. I don't see any nefarious conspiracy here. Just a couple of whack jobs who killed two talented musicians.



It wouldn't be the first time the government had used mind controlled slaves to get the job done.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:06 PM
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You've caught my eye with this one. John Lennon was beloved by millions of people, and was therefore quite influential, especially amongst youth (the most powerful demographic, IMO). I've always thought that his death, while appearing 'innocent' easily could have been something more, than just some 'deranged' fan.

I'm not however sold that this song was the so called "nail" in Lennon's coffin, as he was murdered in December of 1980, and the song was released in '73.

I decided to do a little digging, and found some interesting angles on the topic.
There is an alleged dossier on John Lennon, which was maintained by the FBI, concerning his political activism, "Protest Activities and Civil Disturbances." Lennon retired from his activism, for his family in 1975, and coincidentally (or not) this file was updated until 1976.

John returned to the scene however in October of 1980, and was gunned down, two months later, in December. (Just as the Regan regime was about to kick into gear??)

www.john-lennon.com...
www.scribd.com...
www.jfkmontreal.com...

Some stuff to look at



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:13 PM
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i was under the impression it had more to do with the fact that he tried to make his NY home a sovireign state under legal un statuary ,

a "state" of mind so to say...



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:20 PM
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Wow wow wow, thanks OP!!!

I feel like a song by John Lennon written specifically for my generation!

It is a very good theory OP, something you may be able to tie in with the Paul conspiracies.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:31 PM
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i know The U.S. vs. John Lennon was one of the best documentaries ive ever seen...check it out...i think the u.s. government had something to do with it. they wanted him dead. this vids below are part of it...i think you can find the whole movie on google video or youtube but its worth watching.



Watch The U.S. vs. John Lennon Movie










[edit on 23-8-2010 by Funkydung]



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 09:39 PM
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Yes!!

He was.


It's hard to tell what John had been privy to while a Beatle, but his spiritual side and love for peace and humanity should be obvious from his music, his words, and his actions.


He was a political activist who wasn't political. He was the one man who had the potential to bring something positive out of the 1960s, and actually make it both meaningful and mainstream in a conservative country.


When Ronald Reagan was elected he came out of his famous period of inactivity to become politically and musically active again.

That's when he was killed.


He said himself if he were to ever die it would not be an accident, that he was sometimes followed by unknown individual, and was set up by the police for drug possession. This is coming from a man who openly admitted doing drugs all the time and didn't hide his feelings towards them. Why would he lie about police planting some on him, when it was barely a slap on the wrist anyway? And political and religious authorities from various countries and institutions slandered and moaned and whined about him all the time. It's obvious to me at least that TPTB had a big problem with him when he was active.


If anything though we should take his death as a solidification of everything he stood for, and a reminder of our true enemy in the state and all the phoney values and rules they impose to control the masses.


John was just one man. He couldn't do it all himself anyway. He tried to get us to rise to the challenge. And there is nothing stopping us even today, except ourselves. We should take John as the example, and act accordingly.

Just imagine.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by latEsleepeR
reply to post by Privy_Princess
 


You've caught my eye with this one. John Lennon was beloved by millions of people, and was therefore quite influential, especially amongst youth (the most powerful demographic, IMO). I've always thought that his death, while appearing 'innocent' easily could have been something more, than just some 'deranged' fan.

I'm not however sold that this song was the so called "nail" in Lennon's coffin, as he was murdered in December of 1980, and the song was released in '73.

I decided to do a little digging, and found some interesting angles on the topic.
There is an alleged dossier on John Lennon, which was maintained by the FBI, concerning his political activism, "Protest Activities and Civil Disturbances." Lennon retired from his activism, for his family in 1975, and coincidentally (or not) this file was updated until 1976.

John returned to the scene however in October of 1980, and was gunned down, two months later, in December. (Just as the Regan regime was about to kick into gear??)

www.john-lennon.com...
www.scribd.com...
www.jfkmontreal.com...

Some stuff to look at


Thanks for the links! I will definitely be taking a look at them.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by kyle43
Wow wow wow, thanks OP!!!

I feel like a song by John Lennon written specifically for my generation!

It is a very good theory OP, something you may be able to tie in with the Paul conspiracies.


Ahh, the Paul is Dead conspiracies. I haven't been on that trail for some time now. You never know!

It does seem as if John and Paul were never as close after the "new" Paul emerged. It would also be stupid to refute all of the many clues the Beatles laced their albums with...there was no doubt something going on. Rather it be an elaborate hoax or something of more substance, there's no denying there were deliberate clues.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Funkydung
i know The U.S. vs. John Lennon was one of the best documentaries ive ever seen...check it out...i think the u.s. government had something to do with it. they wanted him dead. this vids below are part of it...i think you can find the whole movie on google video or youtube but its worth watching.



Watch The U.S. vs. John Lennon Movie









[edit on 23-8-2010 by Funkydung]


Thanks for the video link. I will be watching it. This is so interesting to me.

[edit on 23-8-2010 by Privy_Princess]



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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I always had this nagging feeling that something more sinister than a random lunatic was behind the shooting death of John Lennon. But I truly cannot see him as EVER having ties to a manipulative secret society. When you listen to his songs, any of them, they are permeated with such genuine messages of peace, freedom, justice, fairness, unconditional love, etc. Such a rare, unique man, and so polar opposite of the Illuminati. I could, however, see how they might "take him out' because he posed a threat to the agenda. He was definitely a 'rebel with a cause,' had quite a following, and didn't mind speaking out about all that he held as truth.

My guess: Those lyrics sure sound like was 'poking the bear' as was 'Give Peace a Chance' and 'Revolution' and many others, but he was never involved with Illuminati. He was just in the know and trying to wake people up by exposing all of the wrongs he could. That's why they had to take him out.

Thanks for all the music, John-- whether it had hidden meaning or not. It warms my soul unto this day! Thanks, OP, for memory lane trek!



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 11:30 PM
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I hate to see people idolize John Lennon.. it's sad to see how no one notices how much he corrupted the society by pushing 'Crowleian doctrine' about doing whatever is fun for you and having no cares in the world. I highly doubted he was killed my TPTB as he was only doing their bidding... and doing it damn good.


Don't get me wrong, his music is good, but it's also poisonous. Most music is poisonous, but that's another story in itself.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 11:44 PM
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No cares in the world? I think he cared deeply. My opinion, of course. I respectfully agree to disagree with you. Also about the idea of most music being poisonous.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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I started reading a link provided that suggested that Chapman did not kill Lennon. However, it deviated so far from the actual assassination that I just can't follow along. Stuff about Jews, evangelical christian psychologists, etc, etc.

Regardless, Lennon was a influential person and it's no wonder that people wanted him dead.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by AquariusDescending
Yes!!

He was.


It's hard to tell what John had been privy to while a Beatle, but his spiritual side and love for peace and humanity should be obvious from his music, his words, and his actions.


He was a political activist who wasn't political. He was the one man who had the potential to bring something positive out of the 1960s, and actually make it both meaningful and mainstream in a conservative country.


When Ronald Reagan was elected he came out of his famous period of inactivity to become politically and musically active again.

That's when he was killed.


He said himself if he were to ever die it would not be an accident, that he was sometimes followed by unknown individual, and was set up by the police for drug possession. This is coming from a man who openly admitted doing drugs all the time and didn't hide his feelings towards them. Why would he lie about police planting some on him, when it was barely a slap on the wrist anyway? And political and religious authorities from various countries and institutions slandered and moaned and whined about him all the time. It's obvious to me at least that TPTB had a big problem with him when he was active.


If anything though we should take his death as a solidification of everything he stood for, and a reminder of our true enemy in the state and all the phoney values and rules they impose to control the masses.


John was just one man. He couldn't do it all himself anyway. He tried to get us to rise to the challenge. And there is nothing stopping us even today, except ourselves. We should take John as the example, and act accordingly.

Just imagine.




You speak so eloquently of him, and I agree with everything you've said. John Lennon was definitely a threat to the Illuminati, and was influential enough to enact change in the hearts and minds of the people. He had the power and the will to do just that, and for him to wield such power and to not be using it to do their bidding, that was probably just a waste of talent to them. A resource they could no longer tap into to.

*The following is all speculation on my part:*

Yes, I do think the whole "British invasion" in pop culture was a meticulously planned Tavistock operation. I also believe the Beatles were very deep into the occult (just like many acts during that time) at one time and astute followers of Crowley. I think they were privy to many a secret teaching.

It's just that somewhere along the way, John woke up. Who knows, maybe Yoko woke him up? He soon realized he was a pawn, and that's when I think he decided to use his celebrity to enact what he felt was positive change rather than continue to play a designated role. Hence the Beatles disbanded.

It doesn't surprise me that the FBI was on his heels at all. All it does is make me wonder if his hiatus from activism was his choice alone. It sounds like it could have very well been a plea from his friends to stop pushing the wrong buttons and take it easy for a while. I guess he agreed. During that time, "the powers that be" could have tried to befriend him once again. This was no doubt unsuccessful.

That leads me to the assassination. To me, it just reeks of gov ops. Chapman was the patsy. Who knows how they got inside of this guy's head. All I know is that they definitely had the technology to do so at the time.

That just leads me to think that whatever it is that John Lennon had on these people, it was big. They needed him silenced. And I don't care, but political activism is not worthy of a death sentence. It had to have been more.

When I listened to "Bring on the Lucie" I knew that was John's way of giving the finger to these people. So...what did I do? I listened to the other Beatles song with "Lucy" in the title. "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds". Now...I wondered. Maybe that song isn't about '___', either. Maybe that song is about lucifer, too. Well, if that's the truth, then this just about signifies John's different stances toward esoteric doctrine. He had definitely done a 180.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 01:13 AM
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We live in a world where the Illuminati put everything in your face so you can deny it because it is so obvious.

Who was John Lennon?

He was a General in the "British Invasion", that's right it was a real invasion of America, to put pressure on the U.S. Government regarding modifying the Brenton Woods Agreement to take the U.S. once and for all off the Gold Standard.

The British Invasion helped lead directly to the Hippie Movement, that at times resulted in up to 1,000,000 young like minded Americans invading Washington D.C. to protest the government.

No amount of police or weapons would stop 1,000,000 Americans from storming the White House or the U.S. Capitol or both.

General Lennon who boasted he and his small band of musical commandos were bigger than God could have with one word sent those 1,000,000 hippies over those fences and through those halls and shut down government.

He was integral to a huge conspiracy that is still largely unknown, in helping to set up, and control a fifth column right inside of America that could be controlled by London to force Nixon on monetary policy.

It was actually Paul and not John that had a change of heart which is why he was killed in 1967 and replaced with a double.

Once the Beatles had served there purpose and Lennon had the audacity to settle in America attempting to set himself up as a sovereign the Powers that Be feared that his fame and wealth and personal power had gone to his head and had him eliminated and well they should.

Led Zeppelin Rules! Not the Beatles!

Oh and Kiss sucks!



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