Good day ATS, I bring to you now part 2 of The Real ATS Conspiracy
. Before anyone gets
all worked up, this will simply be but a retelling of some classic ATS history. This will explain where the first COINTELPRO accusations originally
arose, and why some of the people we see in my first thread had grudges against ATS. This thread will recount the story of
(we'll call him WITD), some
apparently also knew him as -shhh-whispers, but that member is non-existent. At one time, this subject was completely taboo. Many people will probably
know this story, and many will not.
According to his profile, he registered on August the 4th, 2003. WITD was known as a cryptic and mysterious poster, often using code words and
intelligence slang in his posts. It was one single post by WITD that started a chain of events so intriguing that ATS is now left with its own
conspiracy. The following is a true story. If his profile is correct, WITD posted the following message onto ATS the same day he registered:
rumors from inside the beltway -- August may be hell
Chaos on Capital Hill.
The football has been replaced by a dummy for the dummy.
Doves are fighting but hawks are regrouping.
The commander-in-chief takes a little time off. A trip. Out-of-the-hill. Just like before 9-11.
Who has the football? Why?
Rumors. Whispers. Fears.
Sixteen hours later the Marriot Hotel bombing
took place in Jakarta, killing 12
people and injuring 150. This sent ATS into a frenzy, people began to think WITD might have been a high level intelligence agent. Obviously he could
have simply edited his post after the bombings, but ATS forum software always leaves a record of the edit, and there was no such edit mark on WITD's
Soon enough an ATS member informed the FBI of the situation. I'm nor sure if it was ATS staff or the FBI, but all of WITD's posts were sucked up,
completely wiping out almost everything he'd ever written on ATS. The FBI declared the post by WITD a hoax. SkepticOverlord believes WITD "took
advantage of a weakness in the forum software, enabling him to edit his post directly in the database, thus, not leaving an edit mark".
SkepticOverlord expands on this:
So, for a short-term fix, I simply altered one key attribute in the posts database table, making it nearly impossible for an XSS exploit to
work. That stopped the madness.
Some weeks later, when I was doing some server housekeeping, I noticed an old directory... abovetopsecret.com/xmb ... It contained all the old,
super-sloppy XMB 1.6 code from the previous server that I put in place when we moved to the new server, and XMB 1.8! I forgot about it... but some
members where using it during our first move to a dedicated server. It was still functioning. That's where he accessed the exploitable
WITD was declared to be nothing but a simple "script kiddie". However, many members would not accept this outcome, they believed there was more to
it than what they were being told. They argued there were several key pieces of apparent evidence that implied perhaps the posts were made before the
1) Two members and DragonRider
(an mod at the time,
) believed they had read WITD's Jakarta warning before the bombings.
2) WITD apparently knew the FBI had been contacted before ATS administration was even aware of it.
3) The CIA apparently did know about the bombings before they happened.
4) The IP's left by WITD traced back to DoD intelligence networks. I think DragonRider, being a mod at the time and able to see poster IP's,
5) There were members that had replied to WITD's original post and had quoted what he said, their posts were also dated before the bombings took
place, which means he would had to of also changed the date of those posts.
Lets examine each of those points, ignoring the first one for the moment. If WITD was aware the FBI had been contacted before ATS administration, he
either had connections to the FBI, or the person that alerted the FBI also alerted WITD that the FBI had been contacted. The third point if true (I
haven't looked into it) means it's possible WITD did in fact get his information from the FBI. WITD's IP addresses and the dates on the subsequent
posts by other members could also have been changed by WITD via exploits, however changing dates on others posts could be considered above the ability
of a simple script kiddie.
Now, onto DragonRider, a mod at the time, an extremely respected member, and now apparently dead according to rumor. He was the one that kept pushing
the subject of WITD, and also one of those that believed they saw WITD's prediction before the bombings, because of this, it inevitably ended with
him being banned, and a whole heap of members that left with him. He either got too close to the truth or got to become overly obsessed and annoying
over a hoax. It was apparently October or November 2003 on a Sunday afternoon, some time after the initial WITD events, ATS was hacked and
SkepticOverlord's U2U's were made public. In this thread
at Amkon, you can read
(you'll need to scroll down a bit) what is supposedly a post made by DragonRider after it was discovered that one of these U2U's contained a
conversation between SkepticOverlord and Bob88, in this U2U Bob88 admits that he was WITD.
Now there are many different possible explanations for how and why those U2U's became public. I personally think the chances are quite low that the
U2U discussing WITD was real, but I'm trying to keep personal opinion out of this. Now lets examine some things. If it were any of staff members that
enacted this WITD hoax, it could only be one of the admin's (presumably just the 3 amigos). This lies in the fact that you need database access in
order to edit the date of a post, either that, or you need to be using some sort of script exploit, which I'm assuming none of the staff would be
We are therefore left with two possible conclusions, either WITD was the real deal, or he was some sort of hacker, though obviously much more than a
simple script kiddie IMO, if true. There are many different theories I could start putting forward at this point, though I'll leave that up to the
reader. To be honest, this is quite a complex and highly diluted subject, it's hard to know what's real and what's not at this point, I haven't,
and probably can't, make any solid conclusions about all this, not that I've done excessive research. I'm sure there's lots more to this story,
which I'm hoping members will feel free to add, or correct me where I am wrong.
Now we can't go without including the official comic version of this story can we, as taken from:
ATS History: COINTELPRO and "WhispersInTheDark"
. I suggest reading through that
thread, and all other threads I link to in this post, you will hear all sides of this argument by doing so.
Also, before I finish this up, there was a weird correlation I noticed. Most people should know by now that the
movie "Knowing" predicted the Gulf of Mexico rig explosion
, yes, that's right, a
movie about predicting the future predicted the future. The footage in the movie looked almost identical to that of the real life event. If you've
seen that movie, you will know the number list was created by a girl who heard "Whispers", these whispers were also mentioned at other points in the
movie, but never fully explained. In both cases, it appears the source of these so called predictions were "whispers", assuming of course that
WITD's predictions were real.
A quote from the movie Knowing:
How do they talk to you?
They whisper into our .s.
A quote from WhispersInTheDark:
The whispers tell us stories.
They tell us what to watch.
They tell us what to ignore.
COINTELPRO and ATS?
- A thread made by DragonRider.
The WITD Whispers Thread
- All recovered WITD posts.
- What did people think at the time?
[edit on 23/8/10 by CHA0S]