Violent Anti-Mosque crowd turns on Black Carpenter, page 8

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reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:03 PM by Come Clean

Go after the person selling the land.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:07 PM by Chance321

Originally posted by brisk002
If anyone replys to my post, I would like to know what you think about the Imam saying the US IS WORST THAN AL QAEDA, and then wanting to build a mosque down the road from ground zero.

Well what do I have to say about the imamy? I've got a nice one finger salute for him. The Gov. of NY has bent over backwards to offer these . . people another piece of land to build their mosque, they refuse to budge. If they were really interested in peace, build bridges, whatever (lol) then why do they have to build it there? Out of over a hundered mosques in NY city, why there if not to rub our faces in what happened on 9/11.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:08 PM by inforeal

The problem with this country is that after this fiasco there isn’t going to be thousands of decent Americans out there to support the mosque just on principle.

Whoever said evil prevails because good people let it was right

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:09 PM by Come Clean

"57% say Iran is an enemy. 66% say Iran’s uranium enrichment program is developing nuclear weapons (53% state an Iranian nuke is very likely). 51% say if Israel attacks Iran, the United States should lend a helping hand."

American's are stupid. They never look at the big picture. All they care about is their little piece of the pie. A majority of us want to attack Iran.

I bet the one's that do never served a day in their life. But as soon as they start drafting folks they would change their minds real quick about going to war with Iran.

Point being this....We don't know what we want unless THEY tell us what we want.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:14 PM by ollncasino

Originally posted by pajoly
reply to post by ollncasino

I do hope your post is sarcasm, because you people were not scared until Beck, Hannity and all of Murdoch's fat little men told you to sh*t in your pants. But by God when they did tell you, y'all crapped on cue like good patriotic Americans following the orders of the old, white, fat Australian.

Speak for yourself. People have been aware of the dangers of Islam for years. This merely flared up due to the fact that our noses were getting rubbed in it. Its only the tree huggers that have had and still have their heads stuck firmly in the ground that seem to have missed 911.

Can you answer a serious question?

If guys like you are advocating that we all love each other, you know, group hugs and things, then why the hell are you so hateful to people who disagree with you?

Has it never crossed your mind that there may be people within Islam just as narrow minded as you perceive people like me to be?

Or is it only Western people who can be racists or bigots in your eyes?

Isn't that, well, racist?

The scary thing is, you don't even realise how narrow minded you are. If Muslims are half as zealous as you are, then we are all justified in being worried.

[edit on 23-8-2010 by ollncasino]

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:19 PM by brisk002

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by brisk002

So is your position that we should suspend the concept of freedom for fifty years because of public opinion? That religious discrimination is Ok just as long as it's against Muslims and just until we get over 9/11 as a nation?

As for what the Imam said, I could really care less what he says. What I do passionately care about is that he has every right to say it.

Thats right we can only build a Mosque there with a POS Imam.. Or do you not recall the church that was taken out by debris from the 9/11 attack that is not allowed to re-build? Were is the discrimination there? You have no idea what you are talking about. I could check all your comments but I know what they all say without reading them...

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:20 PM by NoJoker13

reply to post by I AM LEGION

This is just awful, people in this country at least the majority are absolutely retarded.... I can't believe we can't understand that we know about 1% of what is actually going on in the world and what we do know clearly is to keep us ignorant and primal. This is what makes me embarrassed to say I'm an American.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:23 PM by nunya13

reply to post by ollncasino

Maybereal's point was that most of the people that oppose the mosque know their opinion doesn't matter because the Constitution gives them the right to build where they chose without being forbidden to do so solely because of their religion. So instead of recognizing that the Constitution is serving it's VERY PURPOSE regarding this issue, you think it should just be changed a on a whim to reflect the current MOOD of the country?!

Regardless, like Maybereal was saying, it doesn't matter what the majority want because, especially in this case, the Constitution was meant to protect the rights of minorities more than anything.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:24 PM by ahmonrarh

Originally posted by 5 oClock
This guy walked through the crowd looking for trouble IMO. Big N Bad until someone bigger put him in his place. I love it.

lemme review the video to make sure we watched the same thing....

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:25 PM by Hefficide

reply to post by brisk002

You should read my previous posts. I gave another person some advice about debate you might find useful.

Connecting unassociated snipets of truth and trying to weave them into a justifcation for hate just doesn't fly in this day and age.

Those who opposed the civil rights movement used these same kinds of devisive rationalizations and that tactic worked as well, then, as it will now.

It is amazing to me that people who oppose freedom have the absolute gall to refer to themselves as patriots and to those who are supporting freedom an "anti American Americans".

I have a feeling that Germany, in the 1930's probably felt a lot like this country does today.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:26 PM by brisk002

Originally posted by Come Clean
"57% say Iran is an enemy. 66% say Iran’s uranium enrichment program is developing nuclear weapons (53% state an Iranian nuke is very likely). 51% say if Israel attacks Iran, the United States should lend a helping hand."

American's are stupid. They never look at the big picture. All they care about is their little piece of the pie. A majority of us want to attack Iran.

I bet the one's that do never served a day in their life. But as soon as they start drafting folks they would change their minds real quick about going to war with Iran.

Point being this....We don't know what we want unless THEY tell us what we want.

I think about joining every day. I am newly married and my wife already told me she would not wait for me. So not much I can do unless I let the girl I love get away... I have 4 family members in the service, and 9 great friends I've known all my life. Everyone of them believes what I believe. Iran is a serious threat. They are all willing to put their lives on the line, and they believe in it. I personally hope there is a draft. Maybe then my wife would understand. Not to mention the youth of today wouldn't be a bunch of punks.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:29 PM by DeReK DaRkLy

reply to post by Digital_Reality

Our leaders have done this to us. They are turning us against each other and its sickening. Americans are like a pit bull in a cage right now. They keep poking us and poking us and now we are ready to attack anyone.

Right on.

This is the truth that people SHOULD be pissed off about.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:29 PM by brisk002

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by brisk002

You should read my previous posts. I gave another person some advice about debate you might find useful.

Connecting unassociated snipets of truth and trying to weave them into a justifcation for hate just doesn't fly in this day and age.

Those who opposed the civil rights movement used these same kinds of devisive rationalizations and that tactic worked as well, then, as it will now.

It is amazing to me that people who oppose freedom have the absolute gall to refer to themselves as patriots and to those who are supporting freedom an "anti American Americans".

I have a feeling that Germany, in the 1930's probably felt a lot like this country does today.

Jeez a leftist comparing me to the nazi's? Never heard that before...

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:34 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by I AM LEGION

This is just awful, people in this country at least the majority are absolutely retarded.... I can't believe we can't understand that we know about 1% of what is actually going on in the world and what we do know clearly is to keep us ignorant and primal. This is what makes me embarrassed to say I'm an American.

I think what's even more interesting is so many of the people concerned about this Mosque are religious.

Yet, 5 years after Hurricane Katrina devestated New Orleans, thousands of Americans still need a hand.

Months after over 200,000 people died in Haiti millions of people still need a hand.

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people have so much time for hate, and so little time for love.

They would spend money to go to New York City to protest this mosque and community center, but not a dime to go to New Orleans or Haiti to help their fellow Americans and or Christians in need.

Like our last presidential winner, who defined himself by what he wasn't, it seems like this is an American trend, where people villify others, as a means to define themselves as not being that.

All the while they seem to obsessed and intent on gazing at and judging others and proclaiming what they aren't, to find the time to look in the mirror to discover what that is really saying about them.

The truth is Obama was/is four more years of George Bush even though he claimed he wasn't, and most of the protesters against the mosque and community centers are the precise kind of religious zealots that they themselves fear.

America sure has lost it's way.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:39 PM by maybereal11

Originally posted by ollncasino
The more reasonable conclusion would be that many people no longer agree with the right they perceive to have been given in the constitution to Muslims to build the mosque.

Perhaps the constitution needs ammended. The Sienna poll would suggest that it does.

LOL

Yep. Along with the 13th Amendment, 14th Amendment, birthright citizenship and a repeal of portions of the civil rights act.

"Freedom of Religion"...why not...

What did our founding fathers know anyways...

I know they at least knew this...

Principals only mean something if you stick by them when they are inconvenient.

I'll let some other men express my opinion on your apparent disreagard for the constitution and it's most sacred tenants.

I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.
Thomas Jefferson

“The Constitution is the guide which I never will abandon”
George Washington

"The constitutional freedom of religion [is] the most inalienable and sacred of all human rights." --Thomas Jefferson:

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:40 PM by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people have so much time for hate, and so little time for love.

Well, this is important stuff. Spread the 'good' word and all that.

What a species we are.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:47 PM by maybereal11

Originally posted by ollncasino

Has it never crossed your mind that there may be people within Islam just as narrow minded as you perceive people like me to be?

Or is it only Western people who can be racists or bigots in your eyes?
[edit on 23-8-2010 by ollncasino]

Osam Bin Laden for one and all of AL-Qaeda to boot.
Just because Islam has it's extremists doesn't excuse you being an extemist...condemning all of Islam...Extremists do not distinguish between an American soldier and an American...child, mother, civilian, whatever.

How is you treating all Muslims like the "enemy" any different?

[edit on 23-8-2010 by maybereal11]

[edit on 23-8-2010 by maybereal11]

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:48 PM by nunya13

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
where people villify others, as a means to define themselves as not being that.

Wow!

That was such a wonderful comment. I have never really thought of it like this and I think you are spot on. People think that if they don't scream and yell AGAINST something then others will think they must agree with it. All the while, they forget that the greatest thing about this country is the foundation that lets us all coexist with eachother regardless of how we chose to live our lives as long as we don't infringe on other people's rights.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:49 PM by ollncasino

Originally posted by nunya13
So instead of recognizing that the Constitution is serving it's VERY PURPOSE regarding this issue, you think it should just be changed a on a whim to reflect the current MOOD of the country?!

If the majority of the American people wished the constitution to be amended it would be unconstitutional to block an amendment.

Originally posted by nunya13
Regardless, like Maybereal was saying, it doesn't matter what the majority want because, especially in this case, the Constitution was meant to protect the rights of minorities more than anything.

It doesn't matter what the majority want?

You certainly are no believer in democracy.

reply posted on 23-8-2010 @ 04:52 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

It never ceases to amaze me that so many people have so much time for hate, and so little time for love.

Well, this is important stuff. Spread the 'good' word and all that.

What a species we are.

Now is that the same Tina Louise who played Ginger on Gilligan's Island?

By the way so everyone knows what an antagonist Proto can be, when I met her at a friends Birthday Party I asked her what she did for a living!

The poem you linked to though "My God is Better than Your God"

Is quite interesting because while Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe that the same God actually favors them per their own scriptures they seem to have little faith in that.

I asked my landlord who is a very devout Christian this past Saturday what his take on the whole Mosque controversy was and he laughed.

He said "That's God's business not mine!" he went on to say "People need to stop second guessing God, he's the architect of the Universe, if they had real faith, they wouldn't question events like this because God decides everything not people".

I pondered this as it seemed to me it was us and not God choosing to stop at the same Columbian Cantina for ethnic high saturated fat foods with lots of cholesteral and callories, but then again maybe God does know what makes me happy, and made sure it was there in the first place for me to decide on?

It does seem to me that at least where the religious are concerned the Christians and the Jews, that if they really had faith in God and their own scriptures and prophecies the last thing they would be worried about is Islam taking over the world, because their own books say they will be taking over the world instead, and that God will make sure of that.

If there is a God I wonder if he is as heartbroken as so many of us are, watching our fellow humans rip each other to shreds over baseless fears and unfounded accusations, stereotypes and prejudices.