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Violent Anti-Mosque crowd turns on Black Carpenter

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posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 06:26 AM
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The Cordoba house and Cordoba initiative is a direct reference to the Cordoba mezquita in Spain which was a monument of their first triumph on the Spanjards on that Peninsula, like most mosques are...These building plans have a very funny smell,be it a community centre?The Islam is not only a religion but an institution in life how you ought to live and organize your law system, while in a minority they wrap it up seemingly harmless...




btw I like the sign one of the protesters held" If you can built a mosque here, we can draw cartoons of Muhammed"...



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posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 06:47 AM
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Well, yeah, if you haven't heard THAT news, then it just proves my point even more. Just Google Pentacle Quest.


Song about it....

ETA Bush's apology to the war widow after courts forced the issue:
www.washingtonpost.com...

So forgive me if I just don't BUY that religious intolerance in America is anything 'new.'

[edit on 24-8-2010 by hadriana]

Oh crap, that isn't right either. That was his apology after slapping her in the face by excluding her AFTER he had to apologize the first time for being such a butt about not getting him buried right in the first place.
Read here: www.circlesanctuary.org...
You can google if you want more info about what came before...Bush's action, problems at the VA, the court fight.

What Bush did would be the same as refusing to put a cross on a Christian grave, and saying "I don't believe Christianity is a religion" publicly.

I don't think anyone has to worry about Obama declaring that he doesn't believe Islam is a religion at least. lol

[edit on 24-8-2010 by hadriana]



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 07:22 AM
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Can you prove that it's a direct reference to that? Because its planners assert differently. Furthermore, they renamed it Park51 due to the backlash. And in addition to the various services and facilities it plans, it will also include a 9-11 memorial, owing to the fact that some of this Imam's "flock" for lack of a better term were killed in the attacks.

The interpretation of Islam you describe is also only one of several. Not every Muslim individual or Muslim sect is as strict in their interpretation of its precepts as you allude to. Which is really what my point has been. What proof is there that these particular Muslims match the criteria that seems to be the basis of people's suspicions, fears, and opposition to this cultural center's existence?

I'm just trying to understand what the rationale here is. Either way though, I respect your opinion.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by AceWombat04
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Can you prove that it's a direct reference to that? Because its planners assert differently. Furthermore, they renamed it Park51 due to the backlash. And in addition to the various services and facilities it plans, it will also include a 9-11 memorial, owing to the fact that some of this Imam's "flock" for lack of a better term were killed in the attacks.

The interpretation of Islam you describe is also only one of several. Not every Muslim individual or Muslim sect is as strict in their interpretation of its precepts as you allude to. Which is really what my point has been. What proof is there that these particular Muslims match the criteria that seems to be the basis of people's suspicions, fears, and opposition to this cultural center's existence?

I'm just trying to understand what the rationale here is. Either way though, I respect your opinion.


It would be a good thing i they changed the name, they could have thought about that beforehand though.You see that's the thing, i think they try how far they can get and push this thing.I am not judging all muslims , i am saying that where the Islam is getting a majority , like parts of London or Burssels there is a basis or bearing surface for Sharia law.These laws are in direct contrast [violation if you will] to the constitutional rights we're discussing, especially concerning the legal rights of women, i am against those developments.I also think that those mosqyes but also Cathlic churches for that matter should be monitored if they're not pushing things to the dge [radical anti-gay speeches, child abuse etc.]

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posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 08:08 AM
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I understand and can appreciate what you're saying. Personally, I think that if a line is crossed (violence os threatened, committed, of planned, and there is proof of this,) then legal action, as in all cases, religious or otherwise, is permitted and necessary. I just don't see any proof of it in this case, though.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by Digital_Reality
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He was looking for trouble by being black? That's messed up! Do you not see anything wrong with that video? Your wrong man, that mob was ready to stomp anyone who looked muslim. He should not have been afraid to walk anywhere as an American. An attack on ANY Americans rights is an attack on yours as well.



lol you tell me what would have happened if the crowd was black and the lone guy was white...Do rights still apply to them too?

Deebo

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posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by Foppezao

The Cordoba house and Cordoba initiative is a direct reference to the Cordoba mezquita in Spain which was a monument of their first triumph on the Spanjards on that Peninsula, like most mosques are...


You make quite a claim here. Did you make this up or can you provide an actual source for this? Both the first point and the 'like most mosques are...' part.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 08:30 AM
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Religious beliefs will be the way to the destruction of the humanity itself. Whoever is in it, will perish by it.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 08:53 AM
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I apologise for not reading the whole thread, plenty to read through and may had intruded in detailed discourse on the difference of religions with sincere attempts to find a common ground...

..But I just wanna contribute an insight into the hoopla over the protest issue.

It's really a non-issue.

Protests are common in democracies, either with mass participation or just a few vocally loud minority worked up by sh*t stirrers with agendas.

It's only natural, and they too should be allowed to voice out. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes things do get out of hand, and is only natural, for emotions run high at such venues. At least no murders had been committed.

Diversity is allowed, and be voiced out, so that it be heard and solutions based upon majority's decision be applied, rather than for silence and discontent to grown and festor.

The only thing that is wrong is when a decision once made and approved by the majority in a society, based upon the Constitution and laws legislated by the elected representatives, are continually held hostage by the few loud vocal minority whom insists that their narrow and hurtful to society views are right, and would stoop to intimidation and threats to get what they want.

They must not be allowed to climb over the heads of the majority and hold peace as hostage. Each time something is destroyed, it must be rebuild again, so as not to be intimidated or show fear to these animals.

And with each rebuilding, those who destroy must be brought to justice, given fair trial and with punishment, it must come with rehabilitation so that they may know the error of their ways.

We are a civilised SOCIETY, where no man is higher than the greater good of the majority. Let the protests continue peacefully, it is their right too, as is each and every civilised person's responsiblity to engage, debate, and help minds reconsider issues, based upon foundations of common ground.

If we refuse to take on such responsibilities at the ground and basic level on such singular issues, how more are we to expect our leaders of democratic societies with far more pressing reponsibilities dealing in many other issues to do so?



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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funny that everybody seem to think of muslims just becouse of the thing he had on his head. Didnt even think about that. what i saw was that he was wearing a Under Armour UA Mesh Skull Cap And thats not a muslim thing, many carpenters use them cuz they need to wear a helmet when they are working and the skull cap helps to prevent skratches on the head from the plastic supporters in the helmet, Jezz Iv use one all of the time i play football under my helmet and iv been working with a lot of guys who wearing it under there helmets when we are at a constrution site. But just my oppinion i dont like that they are building a Mosque just a block away from ground zero but thats just me but i would not attack a person like that becouse i thout he or she were a muslim. Thats just primitive behaviour.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 09:00 AM
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I doubt the authenticity of this video.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by PsykoOps

Originally posted by Foppezao

The Cordoba house and Cordoba initiative is a direct reference to the Cordoba mezquita in Spain which was a monument of their first triumph on the Spanjards on that Peninsula, like most mosques are...


You make quite a claim here. Did you make this up or can you provide an actual source for this? Both the first point and the 'like most mosques are...' part.



The Cordoba mezquita was build on a Christian church of the visigoths after they conquered a certain area of the peninsula in 711.Not to mention the Al Aqsa mosque build right on top of the temple of Solomon.
The Umayyad Mosque or great mosque of Damascus was build on top of the Roman temple for Jupiter..And last but not least the hagia Sophia which became the Süleymaniye-mosque.
These where all after victories of Islam/Ottomanan, good for them, after all the Christians also used the mezquita as a Cathedral after they reconquered it, they are nice buildings to look at...
But i am not surprised people protest against this mosque, but ok its now called Park51



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posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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This is further proof of the violent, militarization of the extreme right at work and in clear and in living colour.

The Neo Nazi Movement's American wing clearly displayed for all to see.

I do not feel comfortable living in America while these "people" live here too.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 10:39 AM
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I absolutely concur that that is one possible interpretation. However the organization building this center asserts differently. Their assertion is that their intent was to name it after an interfaith harmony that existed in the same place subsequent to that, from the 8th to the 11th century.



Cordoba Initiative, the sponsors of Cordoba House, said that their name is meant to invoke 8th–11th century Córdoba, Spain, a time and a place where Muslims, Christians, and Jews co-existed peacefully, which they call a model of peaceful coexistence between Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

Wikipedia
See also: www.nytimes.com...

Now, granted, they could be lying. But on what would we base such an assumption? I'm not taking sides or asserting that it is impossible that there is some deceit going on. That's always possible, and I keep an open mind. But I can't embrace a position without any proof, let alone let such an (at this time) seeming assumption lead me to support curtailing their right to build on property they own and have building permts for, or their freedom to exercise their religious rights.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
This is further proof of the violent, militarization of the extreme right at work and in clear and in living colour.

The Neo Nazi Movement's American wing clearly displayed for all to see.

I do not feel comfortable living in America while these "people" live here too.


Indeed




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posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog

You mean like this:



from: www.abovetopsecret.com...


Superb video

Nothing new in this world.

EVERYONE should watch this...don't worry, you can keep your opinion regardless. It is a terrific look into the past and potential future.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by maybereal11
(2) the mistaken idea that majority opinion trumps minority rights in a democracy....


Mistaken? It's the very nature of a democracy that majority opinion trumps minority rights. EVERY TIME.


Democracy without equal protections for the minority is tyranny...Dictatorship.

Here...I will use language you might understand.

The "Majority" voted to give Democrats a Majority in Congress and put a Democrat in the white house.

If after that election the "Minority" GOP was deprived of thier rights to assemble, protest, free speech etc...by the "Majority" Democrats, then all the mechanisms that allow them to regain a majority have been nullified. Result? Tyranny.

Majority rule absent equal Minority rights equals dictatorship...not democracy.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
Democracy without equal protections for the minority is tyranny...Dictatorship.


That's actually quite sensible for you. An acknowledgement (by implication) that the majority's rights need protected also.

Or do you disagree?

That's how it works - a balance between the minority's and majority's rights rather than minority rights superseding majority rights purely because they are a 'minority'.


Originally posted by maybereal11
If after that election the "Minority" GOP was deprived of thier rights to assemble, protest, free speech etc...by the "Majority" Democrats, then all the mechanisms that allow them to regain a majority have been nullified. Result? Tyranny.


Turkey has a big problem with that. The army has had to stage a coup 4 times since WWII to stop Muslim extremists taking over the country by democratic means.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
That's actually quite sensible for you. An acknowledgement (by implication) that the majority's rights need protected also.


How are the majority's rights being threatened by this project?



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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All I have to say is not on the site of ground Zero,,, I do not care they can build most any other place, but not on sacred American ground like the Twin Towels Monement...

Just not there

RKL



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