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Violent Anti-Mosque crowd turns on Black Carpenter

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posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by shamus78
Sadly, this doesn't surprise me anymore. The act is despicable and unconscionable, but it's another example of herd mentality that our race is so good at exhibiting these days.

Perhaps the people involved should remember another black carpenter from many years ago. His name was Jesus. (disclaimer - I am not religiously minded in any way. The title just made me think of him)

Cheers
Shane

[edit on 23/8/10 by shamus78]



Yeah, and this is EXACTLY what happens in a Democracy. That is why our Founding Fathers insisted we be a Republic.




posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:08 PM
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Well since you assume things about all Muslims and people I'm going to go ahead and assume you are a racist an a troll because you just joined this website 3 days ago and every single post you have made in that time has been on muslims. So it is safe to assume you listen to the MSM (main stream media) and listen to Rush Limbagh.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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...Next step - Tie this to the Tea Party and then Ron Paul and anyone else that believes the government is completely immoral, insolvent and criminally insane.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by Smack
...Next step - Tie this to the Tea Party and then Ron Paul and anyone else that believes the government is completely immoral, insolvent and criminally insane.


Ron Paul supports the Mosque!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
First they blew up the Twin Towers and killed 3,000 people but I did not speak out because I was afraid of being called a bigot.


"They"?...why would you be afraid of being labeled a bigot for speaking out against Al-Qaida? I think at the time everyone agreed they were bad folks...or were you referring to someone else besides those who attacked us? Who were you referring to as "they"?...maybe think about that before you absolve yourself of bigotry.


Originally posted by ollncasino
Then they arrived by the boatloads but I did not speak out because I was afraid of being branded a xenophobe.


Yep..that was a legitimate concern of yours...all our ancestors got here by boat.


Originally posted by ollncasino
Then the NY police department reported that extremists had infiltrated the NY Muslim community but I still didn't speak out from fear of being branded a racist


Well evidently the NYC police were speaking out for you, so no worries.

Strange word "infiltrated"..it implies a very, very small faction "infiltrating" a much larger community that have different views than the "infiltrators".

Did you just outright state that the vast majority of Muslims are NOT extremists? That the sub-category of extremists is so small that they be deemed infiltrators in the Muslim community at large?

are you sure you are an attorney?


Originally posted by ollncasino
Then they tried to build a mosque beside Ground Zero.


Again with the "they" thing...I was unaware that Al-Qaeda was opening the Mosque.


Originally posted by ollncasino
I did speak out because they were obviously using our freedoms against us and were clearly trying to rub our noses in it.


Well the best solution would be to eliminate our freedoms...right?


Thousands of Muslims are fighting as US soldiers in Afghanistan..
Some of those that died in the towers on 9-11 were practicing Muslims, Some of those that died trying to save Americans on 9-11 were Muslims...

Al-Qaeda has killed many, many more Muslims than they have Americans...they bomb Mosques all the time...

So please tell me who you are referring to when you say "THEY", because if you are referring to my fellow US Citizens, then I will choose to stand beside them against "zenophobes" "bigots" and "racists" such as yourself.




[edit on 23-8-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy


It's obvious to me that the government wants this kind of religious and racial tension.

The worse it becomes, the more power they can wield over us all.


Yes, the government wants this sort of tension. That is Exactly why they changed our immigration laws in 1965, and then subsequently not only allowed, but invited millions of illiterate 3rd worlders into the countrly.
THat was the big divide and conquer. It destroyed our unity. There is not such thing as tolerating that with is deemed to be a threat. And Multi-culturism and multi-relgionism is the biggest threat we could face.

The TV brainwashing propaganda was very efficient, as evidenced by the former uniited Americans no calling each other racists and bigots instead of standing up for the Unity that made us a great country.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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Sarcasm

Second verse, same as the first.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by ollncasino

I hate to break it to you, but nothing you posted is law. It a philosophical discussion of constitutional rights.

All very interesting, maybe even persuasive, but not law.


On one hand you claim to have a law degree...on the other you don't seem to recognize the bill of rights as law...

An odd kind of dishonesty.


You wouldn't know the Bill of Rights if you fell over it. You posted a discussion about constitutional law and rights. Read it yourself.


Well geez...you don't have to be a law scholar like yourself to read the Bill Of Rights...It's right there..1st sentence in the 1st amendment..

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:40 PM
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This will be my only post as these threads can get very long, very quickly. I dont know if this will get branded as being off topic but I didn't really focus on the person in question but the other tall guy.

To me he looks like the type of "Instigator" that is there to intimidate and call the shots, he gets all up in his face and follows him around for a bit. Then cut to the end and he's up on his "nypd" block waving the star spangled banner and work hat (Doesn't really fit your construction worker type)

Ok it might be me looking into it too much but after all the videos I've seen of rally's, protests and riots. It's not what the event is about, it's how each act is played out who plays othello this time as compared to the play in another country Hmmmmm?



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by Digital_Reality
reply to post by 5 oClock
 


He was looking for trouble by being black? That's messed up! Do you not see anything wrong with that video? Your wrong man, that mob was ready to stomp anyone who looked muslim. He should not have been afraid to walk anywhere as an American. An attack on ANY Americans rights is an attack on yours as well.


What do I see anymore these days? The product of decades of successful programming/imprinting that has been being conducting now for decades on an unaware and unknowing population :-/ It is the same kind of effect of what my wife and I got when we tried to "unplug" / "wake up" my wife's sister. She has always presented herself as a nice and calm/peaceful person and honestly...one that we felt stood the best chance at waking up if presented with just a little "alternative news" and what did we get in return? My gawd man...she freaked out and scolded my wife to no end in a VERY nasty email. Why? Because we attacked her in some way? No. Because we criticized her or belittled her in how we chose to deliver the message? No. It was because "we attacked Obama" and even though we attached literally DOZENS of sources backing up our claims/numbers they didn't mean anything as she was blind and couldn't see them.

But what saddened me most is that here flesh and blood of my wife...family...lashed out in a way like my wife had NEVER seen before all because of our criticizing of her....beloved Obama?!?! Wow! Is all I was able to say....my wife cried and looked at me and said "that's it...that will be the LAST time I try and share ANY of this with the hopes of waking my family up again".

Guys...we talk about this stuff almost on a daily basis here. The POWER that TPTB have/hold over our fellow brainwashed Americans is great. Sure we have always had prejudice bigots in this country as well as every country the globe over has....BUT with the work that has been put into DIVIDING this country with RACE having been IMO played HEAVILY over the last 18 to 24 months (just look at the Arizona SB 1070 immigration bill and the division that the fed has caused over that by choosing to SUE THE STATE OF ALL THINGS?!?!). THIS IS BEING ORCHESTRATED people! I can only imagine how many AGENT PROVOCATEURS were in that "protesting mob"?!?!

I firmly believe that anymore these days that what the media chooses people to see, or chooses to push heavy on IN NO WAY REPRESENTS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS A WHOLE....and if I am wrong...then it truly is sad as that means that TPTB is truly winning this battle and getting exactly what they expect to get out of these events :-/ I guess I am just trying to say that we should not try so hard to just judge the book by the cover on these things so quickly anymore these days as we all know better, because if we didn't...we wouldn't be on here and would most likely still be just as misled as many as those that we are judging on here now :=/

That's all.

NT

Edit to say that for what it's worth I am AGAINST that mosque being built. It has NOTHING to do with religion or race, but EVERYTHING to do with RESPECT! There are over 100 mosques in and around Manhattan, WHY do they need ONE MORE RIGHT THERE FOR?!? This is a VICTORY MOSQUE THAT'S WHY!! How about the 100 year old Greek Orthodox Church that was 2 blocks away that ALSO WAS DESTROYED and has been trying to get rebuilt ever since?!? But has had to go through red tape and permit problems and this like 4 or 5 story mosque has been on the fast track. Come on people WAKE UP!?! GROUND ZERO IS SACRED GROUND DAMMIT!!

[edit on 23-8-2010 by Newbomb Turk]

[edit on 23-8-2010 by Newbomb Turk]



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by hawaiinguy12

First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.




First they blew up the Twin Towers and killed 3,000 people but I did not speak out because I was afraid of being called a bigot.

Then they arrived by the boatloads but I did not speak out because I was afraid of being branded a xenophobe.

Then the NY police department reported that extremists had infiltrated the NY Muslim community but I still didn't speak out from fear of being branded a racist.

Then they tried to build a mosque beside Ground Zero and name it after a victory mosque they had built on top of a conquered Spanish Cathedral. I did speak out because they were obviously using our freedoms against us and were clearly trying to rub our noses in it.

I was still called a xenophobe, a racist and bigot, but I didn't mind because 70% of Americans agreed with me.



Wow, I never thought that someone would be defending what Hitler did. In essence that's what your doing. That statement "First they came..." is attributed to "Pastor Martin Niemöller about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, GROUP AFTER GROUP". He among the few intellecutals was willing to speak out about what was going on. In the article Hitler hated him so much that in 1937 had him arrested and put in Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps.

You see those few knew and saw the craziness that was going on when it was moving to this group to another group to another. It showed that eventually no one is safe. You try to make fun that by not speaking out against muslims there by saying all muslims are evil, that somehow that caused the evils that we see today. You and the others don't even try to say terrorists anymore, you just lump everyone in as muslims did this and muslims did that. They are the evil ones or the new bad guy for the century. The road to hell is paved with the golden bricks of good intentions. You believe there's nothing wrong with this or that or even being scared of muslims, hell people are targeting their places of worship all over the country but national news tend to keep silent on it. Today they move the mosque to another location, next year they make it harder and harder to get a permit to build a mosque in whatever state or local county, 2 years later you start to hear an increas in the amount of attacks on people who are muslims, 5 years later you see a nod and a wink in the hiring of people of that faith, etc. etc. etc..

This is a progression of humiliation and intolerance in order to get them to leave. And if they don't then at first they start putting them into camps for their own safety from the public and/or for immigration problems wink wink. Just look at the history of this country, we are as bad as the worst muslim or non muslim dictatorship on the planet.

But Americans don't do anything bad, and thats because were americans.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:42 PM
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Yep...WAS, is the operative word in there when you referred to the constitution.

I agree.

Namaste and Love



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:51 PM
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you tried to promote the idea that conservative blogs were the ONLY sources for this tidbit of info. when in fact this is a widely reported fact coming from multiple news sources.

you are just reinforcing your libtardedness, lol




Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel

Originally posted by insideNSA


lol... conservative blogs huh? don't think so


another classic libtard tactic. when you don't like the truth, make something up



Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
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Numerous conservative blog sites. They're proposing the building will open on the 9/11 anniversary.


atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...
Then tell me what I'm making up then.

Looks like I have proven you wrong.
www.glennbeck.com...

www.dailyfreeman.com...

Still think I'm making everything up? Mr. Conservative?



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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ok I got as far as c in your lame reply...


C. You are being disengenuous they can not build this mosque anywhere, Hugh Hefner is not going to sell the Playboy Mansion, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is not available either. In fact no they can not build the mosque anyhere.


seriously now... you are willing to stoop this low?


you know exactly what I meant. that they have many many other alternatives than to build the thing where they intend to build it. you have no good answer other than to play dumb and act like you didn't know what i meant when in fact you did know.

the rest of your post is as lame as this so this isn't even worth my time when you resort to lying and now this BS.

basically you admitted defeat. thanks for coming out, try again next year.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by insideNSA


you tried to promote the idea that conservative blogs were the ONLY sources for this tidbit of info. when in fact this is a widely reported fact coming from multiple news sources.

you are just reinforcing your libtardedness, lol




Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel

Originally posted by insideNSA


lol... conservative blogs huh? don't think so


another classic libtard tactic. when you don't like the truth, make something up



Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by nunya13
 


Numerous conservative blog sites. They're proposing the building will open on the 9/11 anniversary.


atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...
Then tell me what I'm making up then.

Looks like I have proven you wrong.
www.glennbeck.com...

www.dailyfreeman.com...

Still think I'm making everything up? Mr. Conservative?


Well then shear the news sites with me. I doubt they even started even building the Mosque. It's childish of you to result in name calling.
en.wikipedia.org...

I don't see anything of the building opening on 9/11/11.
Looks like you struck out.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:09 PM
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ok I got as far as c in your lame reply...


So in other words you are commenting on a post you admit to not reading and using that as a vehcile for nothing but what is a thinly veiled personal attack.

"When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff" Marcus Tulius Cicero

In reality it should be noted that it is this type of slander which too many feel too comfortable doing, over the Internet because it grants them anonymity in an atmosphere of little to no accountability that will end up becoming the impetus of creating strict new accountability laws that will ultimately lead to censorship of the Internet, and sites like ATS having to shut down.

The truth is that the vast majority of people who are against the 1st amendment of the constitution and the freedom of religion clause do in fact need to resort to slander of those Americans and others who wisely see the need in upholding it always.

It's a shame that such people are in fact wanting to jeapordize two of America's most prized rights and protections in this fashion, freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

It's a shame ATS has to be denigrated in this fashion by such people.

The quality of discussion and debate sure suffers as a result.



[edit on 23/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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-Snip- please stop LYING.

a ITS


there are several sources citing it is intended to open on 9/11/2011!!!

Ground zero mosque may officially open on 9-11-2011

If a mosque opens at Ground Zero on 9/11 next year, Obama can kiss the White House goodbye Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Neither are true, it is blocks away, and within blocks also of where Iman Rauf has had a small store front mosque for 20 years that his congregation has outgrown.



So you might want to ask yourself why you are intent to promote falsehoods.

It was never slated to open on 9-11, and it is not at ground zero.



so far you have proven to be the king of falsehoods buddy!

we all said 'near' 9/11, close enough to offend the families. 2 blocks is close enough that the construction workers are uniting not to partake in the project.

Protoplasmaman, I refuse to reply to any more of your lies. You lie, then you call out others that tell the truth. up is down, wrong is right, black is white.

sorry to have to beat you into submission, which is obvious from your made up replies.

obviously the truth isn't that high on your list of important things.

continue to live in your dreamworld. but always remember, lying will get you nowhere and when your self-deluded fantasy world comes crashing down, don't be surprised.




[edit on 23-8-2010 by insideNSA]

Mod Edit - Civility And Decorum Are Required on AboveTopSecret.com

[edit on Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:29:06 -0500 by MemoryShock]



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:13 PM
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This is just sad, very sad. I can't people believe people are standing up against the mosque located a block or two from ground zero. When called bigots, they respond with it's our opinion, it doesn't mean we are bigots.

Well, you don't want them building a mosque because they are Muslim. Sadly, that is racist and bigotry to the max. I don't care if it is your opinion, they are prevented from building a mosque because they are Muslim.

This just confirmed my assumption.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:13 PM
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dude. your user photo says it all!



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 08:14 PM
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Violent anti-mosque crowd turns on black carpenter?

WTF?....Violent, somebody thinks that was violent? ....LOL.... Did anybody even watch the video? Where was the violence?

Since when did it become violent to protest and chant slogans in the streets?.......Was the carpenter threatened or struck by any of the demonstrators?......I didn't see it.

The man was obviously trying to instigate a pile of..... Who in their right mind would show up at a protest that has inflamed the passions of the majority of this country wearing a skull cap unless he wasn't looking for trouble.

This man was obviously trying to get his ass kicked in order to make the anti-mosque protesters look bad.........but it didn't work, there was no violence. Yet I have to admire his bravery. It took a lot of balls to walk into that crowd. But then again, he probably knew that the protesters weren't going to bite.

He even hesitated to leave after he was politely told do so out of concerns for his own safety,.......but there was still no violence.

There were no violent anti-mosque protesters at that rally. The OP is a propaganda piece aimed at labeling everybody who opposes the mosque as violent and racist.

When mosque sympathisers no longer have a valid argument, they resort to name calling and lies......This is typical of the far left mentality in the United States. They are trying to silent our voices as they always do by infiltrating the other sides camp in order to instigate violence, which they can then condemn as racist.

They tried it with the tea party, and now with the mosque opponents as well. There has still not been a single incidence of violence at a tea party rally to date, or at an anti-mosque rally either.

And even if there had been an incident of violence, it would have only gone to show that there will always be somebody who will lose their cool from time to time.

If you really want to see some violence, watch some of the old videos of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Mayor Daley's Blue Shirts were totally out of control.........Now that's violence!

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

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