reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
You're like a big walking (Canadian) play-on-words...
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
Depriving people of that opportunity by distracting them with UNPROVEN therapies is morally reprehensible.
There you're insinuating that by listing a massive thing like I've done here I'm committing a moral crime...
...even though you can't quote me as saying people shouldn't listen to their doctors at all.
nd that time spent self-medicating with complementary therapy might just lose you that window of opportunity.
Now you're using the word "complimentary", while you've been insinuating that I'm telling people to go all out alternative / holistic. Perhaps
you need a reminder of the meaning of the word 'complimentary'?
You have plenty of folks on ATS that survived cancer using traditional medicine. How many have...themselves...beaten cancer using complementary
The sound of crickets chirping is indeed your answer.
Gee... start a thread. Watch me: how many people have survived cancer? This deep in the thread, I'd be surprised if anyone notices me say that. Even
if anyone does, then again you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that knew all of these in advance, knew how to use them in advance
it early stages and
was willing to take the gamble.
The point isn't that people should gamble to appease your challenge... the point is your attack on my 'unscience' is itself unscientific.
Your words on the last page really seem like flannel chest pounding against complimentary
treatments. Let me review your work in this
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
It is far too easy to shout about medical conspiracies and the suppression of wonder drugs...when you're healthy.
Oh? They told my mom her tumor is inoperable, and she has about a year to live. What did they do when she was in the hospital getting charged $10,000
(USD) per day? Fed her boiled broccoli that she couldn't eat even though she likes broccoli. By the time she went home: they didn't even tell her to
eat things like berries.
Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
You are certainly not the only one on board with that story. One really big fear is that folks with their cancer at a treatable point ignore their
oncologists and seek alternative means, instead...and when they don't work, it's too late to treat by any means.
In the couple of months between diagnosis of my prostate cancer and my radiation treatment I used complementary medicine to try and bring down my
PSA...to no avail. I had the brachytherapy and the cancer is gone...and because it was caught early and the treatment highly focused, there's none of
that pesky incontinence and erectile dysfunction. They don't tell you that part when they're telling you to ignore your medical team and eat these
apricot pits instead.
By the way, an herbal preparation called zyflamend is in clinical trials for cancer treatment right now. How does that factor into the
Hmm. So you attempted alternative therapy, over the period of a couple months, and it wasn't too late afterwards?
Tell us, what did you try, and how much?
It obviously wasn't too late for you. Did the cancer stop/slow in proliferation? That would be an item of discussion. If the alternative
treatments actually slowed the growth, that is
grounds for using them as complimentary
And what's that, an herbal concoction is in clinical trials? Not according to:
20 entries appear for the first one on my list that came to mind: curcumin.
Googling 'Zyflamend clinical trials' looked like a walk down pseudo alley. Let's try Google Scholar instead:
Zyflamend®, a Unique Herbal Preparation With Nonselective OX Inhibitory Activity, Induces Apoptosis of Prostate Cancer Cells That Lack
Cyclooxygenase (COX) inhibitors have suppressive effects on several types of cancer cells including prostate cancer. In this study, we considered
the potential COX-inhibitory activity of a unique anti-inflammatory herbal preparation (Zyflamend; New Chapter, Inc., Brattleboro, VT) and analyzed
its effects on the human prostate cancer cell line LNCaP. COX inhibitory activity of Zyflamend was determined by a spectrophotometric-based assay
using purified ovine COX-1 and COX-2 enzymes. Effects of Zyflamend on LNCaP cell growth and apoptosis in vitro were assessed by cell counting, Western
blot detection of poly ADP-ribose polymerase (PARP) cleavage, and measurement of caspase-3 activity in treated and control cell extracts.
Zyflamend®-Mediated Inhibition of Human Prostate Cancer PC3 Cell Proliferation: Effects on 12-LOX and Rb Protein
The multiherb anti-inflammatory product Zyflamend was investigated for its antiproliferative effects on PC3 human prostate cancer cells and
eicosanoid metabolism in this prostate cancer cell line. Zyflamend produced a concentration-dependent inhibition of cloned COX-1, COX-2, and 5-LOX
enzyme activities, with inhibition of 5-HETE production being greater than that of PGE(2) formation. Applied to intact PC3 cells, Zyflamend was found
to be most potent against 12-LOX, followed by 5-LOX and then COX activities. The concentration-dependent inhibition of PC3 cell proliferation was
associated with a selective G(2)/M arrest of the cell cycle and induction of apoptosis, as evidenced by flow cytometric staining of PC3 cells with
annexin V. Zyflamend also produced a concentration-dependent down-regulation of 5-LOX and 12-LOX expression.
Zyflamend, a polyherbal preparation, inhibits invasion, suppresses osteoclastogenesis, and potentiates apoptosis through down-regulation of
NF-kappa B activation and NF-kappa B-regulated gene products.
Zyflamend, a polyherbal preparation, was designed based on constituents that exhibit antiproliferative, antiinflammatory, antioxidant,
antiangiogenic, and apoptotic activities through a mechanism that is not well defined. Because the nuclear factor (NF)-kappaB has been shown to
regulate proliferation, invasion, and metastasis of tumor cells, we postulated that Zyflamend modulates the activity of NF-kappa B. To test this
hypothesis, we examined the effect of this preparation on NF-kappaB and NF-kappaB-regulated gene products. We found that Zyflamend inhibited receptor
activator of NF-kappa B ligand-induced osteoclastogenesis, suppressed tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-induced invasion, and potentiated the cytotoxicity
induced by TNF and chemotherapeutic agents, all of which are known to require NF-kappa B activation. Zyflamend suppressed NF-kappa B activation
induced by both TNF and cigarette smoke condensate.
That looks an awful lot like many of my entries (except the part where under each entry each citation shows results in different types of cancer
This calls into question, what is in Zyflamend????
HOLY BASIL (Ocimum sanctum) Contains ursolic acid, which significantly enhances detoxification and promotes a healthy inflammation
Most of those are in my list!
TURMERIC Unique curcumin phytonutrient complex, synergistic with green tea, significantly multiplying each herb's ability to promote healthy
GINGER Supercritical extract modulates both eicosanoid cascades and offers numerous anti-aging constituents*
GREEN TEA Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences report green tea polyphenols exert a beneficial effect on healthy eicosanoid balance.* Major
university database notes green tea contains 51 phytonutrients that promote a healthy inflammation response.*
ROSEMARY Dual extracts offer highly concentrated, full spectrum eicosanoid balance and support detoxification.*
HU ZHANG (Polygonum cuspidatum) Richest known resveratrol source, with each daily serving delivering the approximate equivelant of six glasses of
CHINESE GOLDTHREAD AND BARBERRY Unique berberine phytonutrient complex naturally promotes a healthy inflammation response.*
OREGANO Source of large number of phytonutrient modulators (31) according to USDA database.*
BAIKAL SKULLCAP Unique baicalin phytonutrient complex, naturally promotes healthy inflammation response.*
Note that a great many of the entries in my list aren't merely in vitro
Did you actually read my OP? I don;t think you did. You asked for a success story? Forget ATS, try NIH... I've been saving this for last:
Possible disease remission in patient with invasive bladder cancer with D-fraction regimen
This case study describes an invasive bladder cancer patient at a high risk for disease recurrence who only followed a D-fraction regimen (with
vitamin C) refusing other medical interventions. The two-year follow-up yet indicated no clinical evidence of progression of residual disease or
recurrence with possible disease remission.
That's in my OP. You should try reading it.
[edit on 30-8-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]