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posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 04:55 AM
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Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by davespanners
 


all those things that you give as being invented by society are wrong, metallurgy was found by humans in the copper age about 7000BC looking for better farming/protection tools and spreed and reconfigured, and new uses and ways were found when humans gathered in huge groups ie metropolises, glass the same thing happened, on Google links they say that it has been around since the bronze age 3000 BC


Yes it happened a long time ago, but the story given in the first post could also read.

A Metallurgist from a Bronze age village goes on Holiday to a less developed Hunter Gatherer society.
he wonders at the quality of the vegetables he is given and asks how long it took to pick them.
"Oh not long I pick enough for my family"
The Bronze age man says "I know how to shape metal so that you could make a plow, you could then grow more vegetables and feed the whole village in less time, and with the money you make from the vegetables you can buy a second field and then start sending the extra vegetables to the next town.

To me the moral of the original story just seems to be that any effort that you make to do anything other then make you and yours happy is a waste of time. It's the ultimate expression of self centered ego mania.

As for things happening whether your in the town or the woods, well why don't you try constructing the large hadron collider by yourself in the woods and get back to me when you have finished.




[edit on 23-8-2010 by davespanners]




posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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I think some folks are missing the point of the story:

"Know where you're going in life . . . you may already be there!"

If you're dissatisfied with where you are in life maybe you need to review your situation...perhaps your expectations are not in line with reality. Some of us never feel like we've "made it"--we keep struggling, feeling that we haven't accomplished things we "should" accomplish or "need" to accomplish before we can feel satisfied with our lives, as if there is a cosmic standard we have to meet before we can relax and enjoy our existence.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
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And now for the rest of the story …

The tourist tells his story to his Facebook friends upon his return. The CIA operative assigned to monitor the tourist reads the story, does a little research, and determines that the waters of the coastal village are indeed “underutilized”. He sells the information to MegaloCorp for a tidy sum.

MegaloCorp sends a fleet of fishing vessels to the coast, and gets a court order to stop all private fishing to “preserve the environment”. The fisherman and his village try to farm the land for food, but the sandy soil isn’t really compatible with Monsanto crops. Malnutrition and sickness overtake the village.

The tourist returns a year later and sees the devastation. He is able to buy some prime oceanfront property from the desperate fisherman and some of his neighbors. He sells the land for a huge profit and retires, spending his days fishing and enjoying his family’s company. The developer who bought the land builds a hotel and casino and makes a fortune. MegaloCorp makes billions selling fish patties to McDonald’s, which far outstripped the millions they had to pay when they were caught dumping toxic waste into the coastal waters. The fisherman dies from eating too many McFish sandwiches.

The moral of the story, if you’ve got a good thing going, there’s always some greedy SOB out there who wants to take it from you.

This is the same thing I was going to post but I read through to see if anyone else had already posted it.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 12:21 PM
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Wow, greedy much? 40 whole acres to yourself? I could do wonders with 1 or 2 acres. Secondly, where on Earth did it say he owned land, he's prolly in the same house his dad was in. As it states in the story they would go in to town for merriment, meaning that they were rural and high percentage of the time they inherate the land from former family. Still all he had to do was fish for his needs, which also meant trading your excess fish for your other non-excess items. However, obviously you wouldn't know anything about reading between the lines. By the way, places like Belize and Chile welcome foreign buyers in their land and it's only 5,000$ for an acre or 2. Tehy walk through the process and everything and you can have dual-citizenship for both them and U.S.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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It is possible to understand your view and appreciate the intensity of your desire for 'proof' of the "fabled" fishing village, as inside we each feel the call of our inner nature to reunite with Nature in living the pure and simple life!

The declaration that no such village to exists is unnecessary as a web search for indigenous peoples will provide ample information of their existence...see Xingu Peoples of Brazil.

The interpretation of fables is figurative usually rather than literal...in which case the point is less if some free fishing village commune exists - and more the notion that we very often already have that which makes us Happy!


∞LOVE∞



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by GhostLancer
This thread is a PLOT to make people, who might otherwise stand up for FREEEEEEDOM, sit back and just "enjoy siestas" while the secret government washes away layers of the Constitution.

So where did I say (after all, I can only speak for myself) anything about standing up against the government as being something that I don't need to do? After all, as an American Citizen, it IS my Civic Duty to keep the government from getting too big for its britches.
Wendell Phillips:

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few.

Thomas Jefferson:

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.



[edit on 23-8-2010 by MidnightDStroyer]



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 02:42 PM
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There are some people who enjoy living a simple life, with no responsibility, no stress, etc.... My Aunt is one of these people. She was a former pro surfer and went down to Mexico for a competition and never returned. She lives in a little hut right on the beach that she built out of natural materials. She grows all of her own food since shes a vegetarian, and when she needs money, she teaches yoga and English classes in the nearest villages. She has no stress, no house payment, no car, no responsibilities.

Sometimes I am envious of her life, but only when things in my own become crazy or stressful. Could I give up everything I own and move down there and live the easy life? Sure.

But personally, I have more satisfaction working my butt off, so that at the end of the day Im able to drive home in my nice car, to my nice house with my beautiful lady, and proceed to eat the best quality food while I casually browse ATS on my giant flat screen tv.

Im not trying to brag, Im just saying there are different types of people. Some are content with just living, some are content with living and having nice things. Im content with the notion that if I were to suddenly die, my family and friends would inherit MANY nice things. I have something to show for my hard work. My Aunt however, will eventually die, alone, and with nothing to show for herself.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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Me and my wife used to work every hour god sends so we could afford all the "good things in life" but then we had kids, i decided to stay home and look after the kids, obviously the money wasn't as good so we cut back we don't have home cinema system as we don't need one, we don't have a car as we don't need one, anyway after cutting out all the "luxuries" we found out that we were living quite well and happy my wife only has to work 6 hrs a day 4 days a week to support our livestyle and the kids always have a parent around to guide them through life

what i'm trying to say is even though you can't have everything for free if you live with what you need rather than what you want then you can get very near this lifestyle



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by The Endtime Warrior
reply to post by 12voltz
 


its sad you have to clarify yourself, 12voltz. I dont understand how anyone made it this far in life without able to understand the difference between a metaphor, and a literal piece of information.


There is a GREAT deal of anger building up in ppl because they
feel the american dream has been subverted.

Well...they are right, but they need to use the anger as fuel for
the "get ready already" phase and be ready for what is coming.

As myself and many others have said on here, it is coming, and
ppl who are brighter and better paid have said it is coming.

Ignore the FREE warnings at your peril.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by davespanners

I see one major problem with this lifestyle however and that is one of technological advancement. For large scale project of any sort to work there has to be people that specialize in certain disciplines and spend their whole time just working in that area.

I guess some people will say, well we are better off without all of this technology, but imagine a society that just spent their whole time fishing and sleeping, they never invented metallurgy, they never invented glass, and so they never invented the telescope and thus they were completely surprised when a large meteor hurtled down from the cosmos and smashed their idyllic village into a thousand pieces.


In my way of looking at things I think we need a blend of the two.

Right now we have colleges lying to students and churning out
degree ppl for jobs that have been sent overseas permanently.

There are only so many chemists that are needed.

There are only so many Architects that are needed.

I think the ppl that go thru all this education and massive debt
only to find themselves out of work and sleeping at a relatives
house because they are one of the 10's of millions out of work
need a back up plan.

Its true that we might rise up and force the corrupt to bring them
back to the US, but it has been going on for many years now.

We need to think in parallel in regards to survival.

Alot of ppl have blindly bought into this corporate modernism
that appears to be imploding here in the US.

I have made many posts in many threads pointing to ways to
keep all the 1st world nations from collapsing and bring the
3rd world nations out of poverty and hunger.

Some steps are being made to make things better, but for these
ppl here crying one way is wrong or the other I think both sides
have merit and the old ways are good fall back for when the
new ways fall on their face which they often do.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by MMPI2

Originally posted by rufusdrak
reply to post by 12voltz
 


Wow that was frickin' awesome haha...very vividly exposes the hollow and shallow western capitalist mentality.


Yeah, that horrible western capitalism that brought us the most advanced medical care and standard of living in human history, not to mention the ability for us to pontificate and whine endlessly about how bad our lives are to people across the earth at the speed of light. Yuck.

Bad capitalism! Bad western culture...spank spank spank.



All -isms have good and bad aspects, mostly because they are
just ideas made by man who are far from perfect.

Once greed, corruption, and various other human weaknesses
influence a system for awhile it is not going to be fair to a varying
percentage of the population.

In an idea commune all ppl would work equally, and all ppl would
live equally, but what the past has shown is it never works out that way.

You get the lazy, the greedy, and several other scenarios that
make it not work as planned.

Only VERY like minded groups usually thru religion get close to
this such as the Amish, the Mennonites, Quakers, Tibetan monks.

As for capitalism it has ppl work very hard to make rapid advances
in technology in industry, but it purposefully makes boom and bust
cycles leaving millions jobless, and millions tossed out of their homes.

In my humble opinion the best system will be one that is built
with the recognition of mans inherit tendencies for corruption,
greed, control freaks, etc etc.

Some obvious examples are the lobbyists writing the laws, and the
politicians not being allowed to read it before voting on it.

That is Fascism boys and girls.

The giant corrupt HMOs and other medical entities caught denying
patients care who had medical insurance for the sake of profit.

They have literally killed ppl to make money.

If I shoot a person in the head with a gun its is murder.

If I deny them care to enrich stockholders and they die I get a bonus.

It is disgusting.

Numerous bad things happened under all the other forms of government.

But let me be clear what we have in the US now is NOT what was
intended by those who wrote up the founding documents on hemp
many many years ago.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 04:00 PM
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I still stand by my original statements. I take it you wanted to respond to me directly, and I'm sure we probably do agree on what's "happening" and whats to come, however it still doesn't change the fact that people need to understand what a metaphor is. That goes beyond anyone's idea of the American Dream



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak
reply to post by 12voltz
 


Wow that was frickin' awesome haha...very vividly exposes the hollow and shallow western capitalist mentality.


You forgot to add Socialism, Communism and Corporatism as well.

All are equally shallow and operate very much the same way.



posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 10:54 PM
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That's really sad you think your Aunt wasted her life. First, she followed her ambition enough to be a pro-surfer. Life turned out to be so awesome down there she never wanted to leave. At the end of your life you can only take your expereinces with you, none of your goodies. So when your aunt flashes back on life, shes done everything she wanted with it. While you spent most of yours working for nice things...



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by davespanners

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by davespanners
 


all those things that you give as being invented by society are wrong, metallurgy was found by humans in the copper age about 7000BC looking for better farming/protection tools and spreed and reconfigured, and new uses and ways were found when humans gathered in huge groups ie metropolises, glass the same thing happened, on Google links they say that it has been around since the bronze age 3000 BC


Yes it happened a long time ago, but the story given in the first post could also read.

A Metallurgist from a Bronze age village goes on Holiday to a less developed Hunter Gatherer society.
he wonders at the quality of the vegetables he is given and asks how long it took to pick them.
"Oh not long I pick enough for my family"
The Bronze age man says "I know how to shape metal so that you could make a plow, you could then grow more vegetables and feed the whole village in less time, and with the money you make from the vegetables you can buy a second field and then start sending the extra vegetables to the next town.

As for things happening whether your in the town or the woods, well why don't you try constructing the large hadron collider by yourself in the woods and get back to me when you have finished.
[edit on 23-8-2010 by davespanners]




You know you keep alluding to techs that are supposed to be some sort of miracle, but so far I have seen none such things on this world. These things like the supposed meteor doomsday protection, it does not exist. As for a particle collider, why the hell would I need one in the woods for, especially one so huge and without much purpose to it, or even want to build one...are you slow or just stupid, thats like wanting a horse to get to work in the morning rush hour in New York, next your gonna tell me that I should get a horse if I don't like cars and such. If a meteor big enough to wipe out humanity was on the way, humanity can't do squat about it, they can barely handle political affairs/daily grind which they created, much less cosmic affairs.



To me the moral of the original story just seems to be that any effort that you make to do anything other then make you and yours happy is a waste of time. It's the ultimate expression of self centered ego mania.



That is the only thing any of us is capable of doing, and if you are not capable of doing that, then you are not capable of doing anything...The ego is when you think you are capable of doing something more but aren't capable of doing it. But if you want... try this, build your space ships and technologies, then in a couple of billion years when this sun changes, go to another planet, then when that planets power source changes well then go to another...so on and so forth for as long as you want...for infinity even if you want, and then come tell me why do you think that you can't seem to find any other lifeforms out there. And ill answer, just to save time. What's with such an ego as to think that anything must be reached or attained, why would other species want to mingle with such as you.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by 12voltz
wrote this but i read it somewhere and it made sense,read it or dont.



It was part of our "Must Read" in German Literature in Grade 11. It had been listed as an "anonymous contribution of Dutch origin". - If I remember correctly.



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by davespanners

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That is the only thing any of us is capable of doing, and if you are not capable of doing that, then you are not capable of doing anything...The ego is when you think you are capable of doing something more but aren't capable of doing it.


For someone who claims to know so much about inner happiness you seem quite angry about a lot of things.

I also don't appreciate being called stupid and slow, have reported your post.

So all of those people that go and build irrigation systems for Ethiopian villages and prevent hundreds of people from dying from contaminated water / lack of food etc are just wasting their time as well?

The people looking for cures for cancer, they might as well all pack up and go watch the TV?

People who work on charity phone lines helping to prevent child abuse, what a bunch of idiots they are for thinking they can help anyone but themselves.



[edit on 24-8-2010 by davespanners]



posted on Aug, 24 2010 @ 10:01 PM
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I Love it. It certainly doesn't constitute for what most Americans believe in. It reminds me of the businessmen who take the train to New York everyday and work their tails off for more and more money when they already have what they need to survive.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 06:03 PM
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That was a very awesome story.Theres alot of greedy people in this world who need to read that. But they probaly wouldnt get it anyway.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 08:48 PM
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For someone who claims to know so much about inner happiness you seem quite angry about a lot of things.



I never claimed any of those things, and I would not even claim such if I knew all that there was... about inner or outer happiness. But I am starting to get angry with people who do not make sense.



I also don't appreciate being called stupid and slow, have reported your post.



Oh ok, if I knew you would get pissed about that I wouldn't say it...So sorry there happy. I got to remember people are really sensitive.



So all of those people that go and build irrigation systems for Ethiopian villages and prevent hundreds of people from dying from contaminated water / lack of food etc are just wasting their time as well?


Are they I wouldn't know, most likely not, it's there time so they can do what they want with it. Though I would go after whatever is contaminating the water in the first place, but I am lazy so I only would want to fix a problem once, so who knows.



The people looking for cures for cancer, they might as well all pack up and go watch the TV?


Which people are these, most diseases can be cured with things nature has created already, and time, and care, even cancer. But again its there time and life they can do what they want, even watch tv and cure cancer even at the same time if they want.



People who work on charity phone lines helping to prevent child abuse, what a bunch of idiots they are for thinking they can help anyone but themselves.


Depends if the charity is actually successful or not, but I am curious I have never heard of this...So how can one prevent or cure child abuse throw a charity phone line?. I have seen to much of these charities to not be cautious and really look into them before giving them money, some of them that I have looked at, the bulk of the moneys usually go to some rich dudes in Texas or California.



I guess some people will say, well we are better off without all of this technology, but imagine a society that just spent their whole time fishing and sleeping, they never invented metallurgy, they never invented glass, and so they never invented the telescope and thus they were completely surprised when a large meteor hurtled down from the cosmos and smashed their idyllic village into a thousand pieces.


You still didn't answer the question and I don't care who or what, in vented or out vented, any of these technologies from the nature of metals and glass to particles, what the hell do you mean by the above.





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