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WAR: Al Qaeda Claims Saudi Security Forces Assisted With Paul Johnson Kidnap

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posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 02:10 PM
CBS News is reporting that Saudi Security forces assisted in the kidnapping of Johnson. An Al Qaeda website is also confirming the claim.

Breaking News: more coming

It seems that either our fears of compromised Saudi security forces were correct, or Al Qaeda is spreading mis-information.

The Saudi government quickly denied the website's claims.

[edit on 20-6-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

[edit on 21-6-2004 by Banshee]

[edit on 21-6-2004 by Banshee]

posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 05:29 PM

The article said militants wearing police uniforms and using police cars set up a fake checkpoint on al-Khadma Road near Imam Mohammed bin Saud University.

They pulled over Mr Johnson's, car anaesthetised him and carried him to another car, the article said.

Mr Johnson's car was then blown up.

"A number of the co-operators who are sincere to their religion in the security apparatus donated those clothes and the police cars," the article said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 10:58 PM
Well, isn't this news special...and no suprise. It looks like the Saudis are in a loose loose situation now. They have played both ends to meet the middle by sucking up to American Oil Companies and such while on the other hand sucking up to the Wahhabi, who spread the strictest and most radical form of Islam.

An article in Newsmax, "Saudis, Heads-in-Sand, Saw No Evil" by Arnaud de Borchgrave at:
demonstrates what a mess the Saudi government was in even before this news broke.

The Saudis are now in the position that if this is true, they have no credibility and if it is not true, no one will believe them. The truth is probably in the middle and a few radicals in the government did the dirty deed but even then, the Saudi govenment will still get the blame. Our Intelligence folks should either know or have a good idea, but the fact remains they can no longer afford to trust the Saudis no matter what.

This writer thinks things are about to get really interesting in the Middle East.

The next step could be to further destabilize the House of Saud by more attacks on the Oil companies/fields and/or Americans, thus showing the world the terrorist can strike at will and the Saudi government is powerless to stop them. The loss or possible loss of Saudi oil added to the loss of Iraqui oil would spell big trouble on the oil spot market driving prices even higher, though there would be no immediate need to.

Keep your eyes on the Middle East.



posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 11:34 PM
Last week, a Saudi source claimed that the kidnapping was performed to stir up trouble -- probably by Mossad. Since I also feel pretty strongly this was a false-flag operation, I'd like to find that article again as we continue to look at what may or may not have happened. Anyone know where it appeared?

posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 11:42 PM
I heard about a month ago, watching "Frontline" that if democratic elections were held in Saudi Arabia, Osama Bin Laden would win in a landslide.
Makes you wonder why we done start our "democratizing" of the middle east there.

P.S This post also relates to the topic if you think about it.

There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse

[edit on 21-6-2004 by Voice_of Doom]

posted on Jun, 20 2004 @ 11:49 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but is it fair to say that the Saudi government or royal family is possibly the MOST important player in this crisis.
To elaborate, Saudi Arabia has within it,s borders huge oil reserves, Mecca and not great control of it,s populations.
A very lethal combination concerning everybody on this planet!

posted on Jun, 21 2004 @ 12:53 AM
They are all fools if they think to use oil as a tool to further thier goals of destroying the western world.I think that the coalition will begin to grow pretty darn quick when the world leaders who refused to join suddenly have a snarly populace on thier hands as a result of oil getting scarce or out of reach.
Also why would al queda use inside help to capture hostages then hang them out to dry killing off any further assistance. Makes no sense.

posted on Jun, 21 2004 @ 01:45 AM
We have know for a while that the Saudi government is helping out Al Qaeda under the table. Half the arab world all hate the west in some way or form and what we stand for.In there eyes the sooner our countries sink in to th the sea the happer they will be.

posted on Jun, 21 2004 @ 01:52 PM
If the Saudi Government participated in this horror, then we need to get our oil from another source and cut ties with them immediately and that goes for all countries who are harboring terrorists.

posted on Jun, 21 2004 @ 01:56 PM
No surprise. Saudi Arabia is possibly the biggest terrorists nest around the world, and probably the most corrupted governement. (along with the USA)

posted on Jun, 21 2004 @ 04:21 PM
What is truly interesting is the history of the House of Saud and the House of Bush going back to the 60's and 70's. Try Zapata Drilling!
We are the terrorists


posted on Jun, 21 2004 @ 06:49 PM
If the Saudi's aren't helping, then please tell me HOW could Mogrin have been shot in a shoot-out (by the Saudi police) while dumping the body of Johnson (body is missing), and notice Mogrin's hands were TIED!!!
If Mogrin was holding a gun, and shooting (shot dead) what was the need to tie is hands????
Mogrin's wrists were bound on Al-Jazeera.
Now a Saudi EX-POLICE OFFICER has taken his place.
My view, I think Mogrin was removed from his postion (not dead), giving the Saudi police stronger control within Al Qaeda.

posted on Jun, 22 2004 @ 11:26 AM
From: World and the BBC

U.S. threatens to abandon Saudis and their oil


Monday, June 21, 2004

The United States has sent a tough message to Saudi Arabia that did not rule out abandoning of the kingdom's oil sector.

U.S. officials said the Bush administration has warned that Americans would not stay in Saudi Arabia unless the kingdom takes significant steps to protect them. The officials said the warning came in wake of the Al Qaida execution of Lockheed Martin engineer Paul Johnson on June 18.

(snip) For the complete article see the above link.
Should we pull our 30,000 Americans citizens out of Saudi Arabia there could be a technology/worker vacuum, which could not be easily filled. Russia could, though it is doubtful they would but China is starved for oil and could see this is an opportunity to get a foot hold in the Middle East.

Is this just saber rattling in the Bush Light administration designed to force the House of Saud to crack down on the terrorist and extremist Wahhabist and get in line with what the Globalist want?

We keep seeing a series of escalations of tensions in the Middle East from all sides, which seem to be designed more to destabilize the region rather than fix anything. The question to always ask is who has the most to gain?

Could this be another Pax Americanna ploy to give the neocons a reason to take over more of the area or are the terrorist guiding the plot far more than we realize?

Make no mistake about it, though a great deal of the citizens, thanks to Islam, are not as well educated as they could be, the ruling forces are whether terrorist or national leaders. This is the area of the world, which set down the first real legal system and more or less invented mathematics, as we know it not to mention other discoveries in science. They are no fools!

Events in the Middle East are rapidly building to a crescendo, the outcome of which is anyones guess. One thing can be etched in stone, things will become worse, much worse!


posted on Jun, 22 2004 @ 12:16 PM
[edit on 2004-7-2 by Teknik]

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