"Ten things I know about the mosque"

Originally posted by lee anoma

but the Bill of Rights is the Bill of Rights.

Just because it protects freedom of religion, and attempts to separate state from religion, doesn’t mean people can accurately claim their religion is being oppressed just because they have to build a religious centre further away, from the towers, than 45-51 Park Place.
Islam does not dictate that a Mosque will be built in this location. And not building a Mosque in this location does not mean people aren’t free to practice whatever they believe.

Here’s a concept you’ll understand: Imagine if a Christian community wanted planning permission to build a church in a warehouse. Refusing the planning permission does not mean they (as property entitled U.S citizens) are not free to worship there (as if it was a church).
In practice they could even, probably get away, with using the shops as a Church (barring any structural changes).
Not granting planning permission for this location as a church, merely restricts the erection of permanent structures, but would not (in law) restrict people perpetually worshiping their (even if they needed to use more than one temporary structure!!).

But if there was a legal ruling to grant planning permission, the implication would be that any religion, could build any religious structure, of any dimension, ANYWHERE.
If so, the next obvious, stage would be for developers to build “religious buildings” on restricted land (like a national park) as a way of changing their use to others purposes. Can you imagine the creed of e.g. the “Organised Office Based, Building Development Faith” I bet it would dictate that either: a house, office, or apartment be built in every acre it occupies!!!

If the grounds are so sacred, why build a Mall on top of it?

The people who died on 9/11 were generally pretty Christian or secular lot. A Mall is a 100% secular use of land, and the use of land for a Mall (barring churches of course!!) is perfectly within Christianity.
I tend not to think of the land as “sacred”, but more as “emotionally sensitive”. It’s use should therefore be either a public park, or much the same as before (a Mall is close to both).

You act as if you are patriotic yet smash the basic rights of certain Americans because you fear a message of tolerance??

No, most people agree with freedom of religion. I just disagree with freedom to build what you like, wherever you like. After all, if the absence of Mosques prevents them from worshipping, then either their faith isn’t strong enough, or otherwise the religion could be forced to concede, that the absence of any (naturally occurring) Mosque, is itself, a work of God!!! Theological problem being: why would an act of God, prevent you worshiping God?

Anyway we both know the public anger comes from a wide of issues; and is supported by people with a range of high & low IQ's. The reasons for the anger are diverse, and in a fairness always valid. After all: one person, one vote.

Originally posted by lee anoma

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by Liberal1984

 

I like your point on the message of tolerance.

If we try to build a casino and strip club in Saudi Arabia I think
we will be met with some severe lack of tolerance, LOL.

Thank God we are the United States of America and respect the freedoms of it's citizens and not Saudi Arabia.

Or do you think we should foolishly mimic their practices?

- Lee

I think we often do not follow the Bill of Rights, but we are better
off than most of the other nations out there.

I think we have some laws on the books that if you are part of
an organization that supports terror then you are outside the law.

Not all mosques support radical Islam, but just by example of
Sharia and Dhimmitude they violate the Bill of Rights.

I think anyone that is pushing for religious insurrection needs to
be sent back to their country of origin, ie. if you do not like it here
or refuse to be a part of our culture but instead seek to subvert it
then you need to go home.

Originally posted by Muckster
reply to post by Ex_MislTech

 

If we try to build a casino and strip club in Saudi Arabia I think
we will be met with some severe lack of tolerance, LOL.

I've never understood this attitude... Using someone else’s intolerance as an excuse for one’s own...

One minute people are trying to say how their society is better than someone else’s... and then, in the same breath, pointing out the flaws in someone else’s and copying them flaws to get back at them for having flaws...

Madness!!

I think it is madness to support Sharia.



I think it is madness to support Dhimmitude.



I think it is madness to support honor killings.



You Islamic apologists and puppets have NO IDEA what you are
aligning yourself with, and you would do well to dig a little
deeper before aligning yourself with Barbarity and Evil.

As a side note I am not religious and think religion is one
of the worlds Apex predators.



[edit on 23-8-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

reply to post by Ex_MislTech



Its this sort of ignorance that simply re inforces most of the idiotic hatred in the world

You Islamic apologists

What does that even mean?

The only possible advice i can fathom in responce to this would be to maybe go to a few muslim countries and take the time to maybe understand world culture a bit. Omans a pretty laid back place, muslim country, doesnt have sharia law, they smoke, drink, play pool in bars. Pretty cool place.

Stop spreading ignorant hatred please. And yes, those videos highlite some pretty radical areas of a particular culture, but if your going to the trouble of making a responce about it, please at least try and be accurate about what your talking about and dont just tar billions of people with the same brush.

Nobody is debating whether they have the right to build the Mosque there, if they are, they should be disregarded immediately. Most Americans disagree that the Mosque should be built there, not if it can be built there.

Muslims in Western society have clearly shown they have no real desire to assimilate into ours. That's fine, it's their prerogative, but they should not expect Westerners to adhere to their often unacceptable fundamentalist views.
In short, Muslims in America had a real opportunity to show they do not condone Islamic radicalism, but instead they have remained silent and agreed by silence that this Mosque should be built, regardless of it's insensitivity. That was a missed opportunity. (And yes, Muslims DO need to show they do not condone radicalism in their religion, because the majority of their Imam's WILL NOT.)


Also, I keep hearing this silly notion that it isn't even a Mosque to begin with. It's characterized as a "recreational" center that just happens to have a Mosque. That makes perfect sense. Christians don't attend Churches with playgrounds in the back for the children. They clearly attend Playgrounds that just happen to have a Church.