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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 02:04 AM
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The population is growing and every now and again they must indoctrinate a new batch of moderators to keep up with the increasing number of posters. No conspiracy there.




posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 02:08 AM
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Haha...I really shouldn't get involved here...but I'm sure people remember my "Real ATS Conspiracy" thread...well anyway, I remember reading something related to this whilst doing research for that thread...I'm not saying this is true at all...but some guy was claiming ATS is actually creating "ghost accounts" that look like older members for its disinfo agents...*covers head* please don't beat me...this may also be of interest: are my calculations wrong?

*runs far away*

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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
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sometimes i check the members list to see who is new.

i did this recently and laughed my ass off at this member's name:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


That's one very weird name.

___________________________________________________________

Anyway, to OP, The reason I came to ATS 4 years ago because of Billy Meier hoax case. When I signed, we were heated over debate between Meier's camp and Jritzman's camp resulting Michael Horn being banned for the second time.
Gazrok wasn't part of ATS staff at that time if I'm not wrong but he was an active posters too.

After Billy Meier case subsided and since most of my questions have been answered, I lurked around Alien and UFO threads for sometime before JohnLear quit ATS somewhere around the year you registered. I lost my interest in ATS either due to lack of interesting UFO's cases or lack of solid UFO evidences worth my time.

However, 9-11 incident has cause my comeback to ATS as I'm looking for answers. To my surprise ATS' threads quality have been generally deteriorated by poor opening post presentations, lack of detail researches and analyst, bias opinion etc.. In the past I tried to avoid posting any comments because I knew I wasn't prepared for serious intellectual debates.

But now, I see too many false and mislead information, out of context references, Juvenile rantings and hate bashings toward certain aspect of religion/culture/people due to 9-11 incident. I see very few ATS members, who are well aware of the real culprit behind 9-11 incident, do little to curb this. This angered me because I knew in the past we were quick to deal with this sort of trolls, liars and disinfo agents. And we were quick to advise our members to behave accordingly to T & C, not that we want to police ATS, but due to our concern of civilized discussion or debates. I am very concerned over sudden decline of interest to find the truth among SOME newer closed minded ATS members.I am concerned little have been done to curb this problem. But then again, I realize my purpose of being here is to find the truth of 9-11 incident. Though as much as I want to see changes, I know and come to understand that some people are just have to leave behind and never 'enlightened'.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 02:24 AM
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I'm not saying this is true at all...but some guy was claiming ATS is actually creating "ghost accounts" that look like older members for its disinfo agents..


It's early, no coffee, still tired.

Did 'some guy' explain the advantage of having an older account? I just don't get it. What's the conspiracy?



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 02:26 AM
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Isn't the advantage obvious? It makes newer member believe they are knowledgeable and well respected because they've been in the business so long, when in reality no one knows them.

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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 02:33 AM
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I've been a member since 2007 and I must have contributed five times (after checking, I did a little more...) mostly recently. Actually, I lurk a lot but I don't contribute much as I am from France and I don't speak fluent english (but I can read easily).

Anyway, I don't think I have raised concerns on the forum as I am a socialist (I have my card!), I am a firm believer 9/11 was an inside job and I'm sure I saw a flotilla of UFO's when I was young.


[edit on 22/8/2010 by jeanne75018]



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 02:55 AM
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Isn't the advantage obvious? It makes newer member believe they are knowledgeable and well respected because they've been in the business so long, when in reality no one knows them.


We've got members, old and new, who post utter crap and others who make quality posts. Ignoring the implied complicity of board and staff...let's imagine the 'disinfo agents' hack the site and hand out old memberships...is it worth it? It's like cracking a nut with a sledgehammer. Some conspiracies are like a net...a collection of holes held together by string.

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I've been a member since 2007 and I must have contributed five times (after checking, I did a little more...) mostly recently. Actually, I lurk a lot but I don't contribute much as I am from France and I don't speak fluent english (but I can read easily).


Hiya Jeanne. I do the same on other forums. I joined one in 2005 and have made 8/9 posts. Your writing is perfect so don't worry about posting



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 03:12 AM
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Ignoring the implied complicity of board and staff...let's imagine the 'disinfo agents' hack the site and hand out old memberships...is it worth it?
No of course it's not worth it for "disinfo hackers" to do that...which is why I stated nothing about hackers..."ignoring the implied complicity of board and staff" doesn't really make any sense when that's exactly what I was talking about. I didn't imply it, I gave a story where someone else had made direct accusations.

EDIT: OK...here's the thread on RU where I read the thing about ghosts members, an exert:

For example, how I bas banned with out explanation for the first time, with out ANY provocation, all while a group of FOUR enforcers (moderators) were going through my posts and deleting/”editing” them. Such “clean up” effort went as far as THREE years back in my posts.

It was a set up, involving a classic use of a planted instigator, a previously unseen member who was supposedly registered in 2007, and then during one of the discussions his registration date all the sudden changed to 2004, and his ATS “points” shut up like he just robbed a bank.

Apparently this happens often on ATS, and these “ghost” members keep popping up all over the place. Any ATS member that’s been there for a while knows that separate areas of the forums are rather closely, and members have long established relationships, so it’s very apparent when a fresh “crew” comes in and “cleans house”.


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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:08 AM
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I used to get angry at people when they called other posters Government Disinfo agents because I thought it was an unfair tag used to smear somebody whose views you don't like. Lately, however, I am not so sure these claims are completely unfounded. Some posts have been suspicious to say the least.

[edit on 22/8/2010 by Dark Ghost]



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:09 AM
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Thanks! But, I must say Google translate is helpful!

By the way, is there a way to receive e-mails to warn me topics I have subscripted to have been updated? Impossible to find the answer on ATS.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by antar

Here's where it gets strange and questionable to me, I have taken note that in the past year and a half or about the time Skeptic went to washington, a HUGE group of members began showing up that had older membership dates, but that I had never seen before.

Now at first I figured it was just that often members will go away for a period of time and then later come back and become regular contributors once again.

This began to happen more and more and the boards were becoming frequented by older members but not known ones in large numbers.


Hi Antar, I first joined ATS in 2005, and while I can not speak for other older posters who may vanish but reappear from time to time, I will say that I often vanish from ATS because of my lifestyle. I do this alot, I will not visit ATS for months at a time because I am visiting other sites or because I don't have time so much to go on the internet.

Unfortunatly, people can often not post as much or be on ATS as they like, but in some cases, people forget about ATS, only to rediscover it later.

And of course, some people will feel very jaded about what ATS reports.
That is not ATS's fault, but sometimes the subject matter discussed can be so grim and depressing that people need a breather, and decide to give ATS a rest, only to come back later rejuvenated and thirsty for more knowledge.

The internet is the latest media medium, and just like other mediums (TV,Radio,Newspaper) there will be those pushing an agenda and lobbying for some group, organisation, or government.


But remember too that for the most part, people are merely expressing what they think and do not promote an agenda. We must remember that, or else we simply begin to shut ourselves off from exchanging views because of the suspicion "the other guy" is promoting an agenda.


Good luck on you quitting smoking. Don't look back, you will not regret giving it up. Stay strong!



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:19 AM
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Us Great Old Ones spend a lot of time sleeping - we only awaken occasionally to bring chaos and disorder back to ATS



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:24 AM
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No of course it's not worth it for "disinfo hackers" to do that...which is why I stated nothing about hackers..."ignoring the implied complicity of board and staff" doesn't really make any sense when that's exactly what I was talking about. I didn't imply it, I gave a story where someone else had made direct accusations.


I wrote that to give you the opportunity to avoid making accusations and keep on topic. It was meant as a friendly gesture and a way to stay OT for Antar.

What's gonna happen here Chaos, is you'll get banned at some point in the future. The innuendoes and accusations will come home to roost. When that day comes, you'll forget the slander and accuse ATS of trying to silence you. The site has hosted your negative posts, accepted the anti-ATS thread and continues to let you criticise the staff.

That's pretty fair practice from where I'm sitting.

I missed my chance to rebut that OP. I read every page of the links. The thread on RU was actually resolved and the member distanced themselves from the claims.

Anyway, to stay on topic, I see zero credibility or advantage from creating a sock-puppet account with an older vintage. It's not a conspiracy.

reply to post by jeanne75018
 



Thanks! But, I must say Google translate is helpful! By the way, is there a way to receive e-mails to warn me topics I have subscripted to have been updated? Impossible to find the answer on ATS.


You're writing is better than a lot of people I know. Does Google Translate translate bad English into good English?

I think the new 2010ATS will have an option to be notified about thread you subscribe to.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:31 AM
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Does that include me?
Long time member but now I'm mostly a lurker.
Just don't have as much time as I used to.


By the way, Regensturm has some good points.

[edit on 8/22/2010 by theBLESSINGofVISION]



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:32 AM
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I wrote that to give you the opportunity to avoid making accusations and keep on topic. It was meant as a friendly gesture and a way to stay OT for Antar.

What's gonna happen here Chaos, is you'll get banned at some point in the future. The innuendoes and accusations will come home to roost. When that day comes, you'll forget the slander and accuse ATS of trying to silence you. The site has hosted your negative posts, accepted the anti-ATS thread and continues to let you criticise the staff.
Actually, I think all my posts have been right on topic. And I think it's rather hypocritical that we all sit here constantly making threads which make all sorts of direct accusations about all sorts of people but in that case it's just "truth seeking"...in that case it isn't something "negative"...I find it rather ridiculous how you think it's perfectly fine for us to make all these wild claims, but there's actually a place where it's forbidden to shine the torch...if you go there it's an "attack" or "insult" on the mods and admins...well than in that case this whole website is one big insult to the entire world...

EDIT: And BTW, I've done nothing but support this website since day one. I don't restrict my scope of conspiracies to one spectrum...either it's all ok or none is ok...

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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:42 AM
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Chaos, you don't have to stay and post here. There's only hearsay and gossip that ATS is anything like how you think it is. Banned members with axes to grind. Guys who've had a post removed or thread closed. Big deal, but they start making offensive claims about the staff and don't take responsibility for their own actions.

I've had two threads closed and posts removed and don't care. I'll stick up for the staff because some of them have stuck up for me. They've been decent with me. They're normal (by ATS standards) people which means that we can't agree with them all of the time. Likewise they won't always agree with us.

Pulling out petty allegations about paid disinfo and cointelpro is just low.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:48 AM
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Chaos, you don't have to stay and post here. There's only hearsay and gossip that ATS is anything like how you think it is.
I think you'll find I've not once have I said I believe or promote any of the claims, and that's probably why I'm not banned yet.



Pulling out petty allegations about paid disinfo and cointelpro is just low.
Dude, the thread is about members years old popping out of no where...I just so happened to have some interesting info related to that, in all seriousness someone was likely to mention it eventually, in any case, why do I deserve to be flamed for it, I wont repeat the point in my last post...I knew I should have kept running after my first post...

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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:57 AM
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For what it's worth, I don't have an issue with you. Some of your threads have been good and I enjoyed them.

The issue I have is guys who've done wrong being taken as credible sources. You refer to these people and they are clearly totally biased against ATS. It's your position that ATS is a Govt-run outfit, based on innuendo and resentment, that's worth challenging.



I think you'll find I've not once have I said I believe or promote any of the claims, and that's probably why I'm not banned yet.


C'mon give people some credit?! It's transparent where your position is. You bang that drum and stir up members who share the position. It's called agent provocateur. It's the guy who starts the fights and then stands at the back looking after the jackets.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 05:04 AM
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I used to get angry at people when they called other posters Government Disinfo agents because I thought it was an unfair tag used to smear somebody whose views you don't like. Lately, however, I am not so sure these claims are completely unfounded. Some posts have been suspicious to say the least.


Dark Ghost, there are most certainly government agents who've acquired memberships here. Some of them are quite easy to spot, and I also suspect there are a few of these government people who have memberships under more than one name, as evidenced by the fact certain members seem to show up together just at the opportune moments in attempts to derail a controversial thread.

But, more important than focusing on the individual posts of these types should be the threads being started on this forum board. It's already a well-known fact that the government uses covert methods to sway public opinion, create fear, or to break up the cohesiveness of activist groups who are gaining popularity on an issue is not favorable to the government's agenda. It would be naive not to consider that the government would use a site like this to offer up disinformation or plant an idea hoping we'll run with it and create an entire Internet buzz promoting the information. For that matter, we can't say for sure that ATS wasn't a government creation that was intended for that very purpose...

For instance, I'm sorry, but I'm highly suspicious of this new idea of an "11/11 group" who are being "activated for a purpose" where they're gonna save the rest of us from some upcoming doom, yet look how many people have jumped on the bandwagon... That's just my opinion on it, though.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 05:08 AM
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C'mon give people some credit?! It's transparent where your position is. You bang that drum and stir up members who share the position. It's called agent provocateur. It's the guy who starts the fights and then stands at the back looking after the jackets.
That did make me laugh, not as in it was a stupid comment or anything...but I don't think that's quite it...I'm just trying present all sides of the argument, because lately it's obviously I have been having my suspicions. In this case, whether or not the poster was completely biased towards ATS, several long time posters have stated to notice the same thing now...they see an oddity...and ATS certainly doesn't seem to be so unbiased themselves in some cases...maybe I am fueling the fire and standing back to see what happens...but that's what conspiracies are all about...and just to give you a heads up, there will be "The Real ATS Conspiracy PART 2"...don't get your flamethrowers started though...it will merely be but a retelling of some classic ATS history sticking only to the facts, nothing like the first one.

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