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TO all members of the Anti-US crowd

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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 03:46 PM
I just typed "Hiroshima" into Google, and I will confess I did not read all 58 million results, but I did look at the first 3 pages of results and not once is it ever referred to as a "nuclear" bomb..........

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:00 PM
reply to post by Skippy1138

So it is not on google so it didn't happen right , and what if Japaneses didn't surrender would USA continue throwing A-bombs in every big Japanese city ?

USA did many bad things but they never fought for freedom they fought in Vietnam to show USSR their power , they fought in Iraq for oil and so it goes.

Lesson of it is USA never fights for liberty and freedom against dictators they just fight for companies like haliburton and their own interests

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:03 PM
reply to post by DrJay1975

This IS a Conspiracy Website....

What does this have to do with a Conspiracy ?

This used to be an interesting place to discuss intelligent topics.

Whats with all the baiting, belittling, labeling, picking of fights here on ATS now ?

Aren't their Forums at FOX news for you all to Rant together about the brainwashed bipartisan politics on ?

Jeez !

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Skippy1138
I just typed "Hiroshima" into Google, and I will confess I did not read all 58 million results, but I did look at the first 3 pages of results and not once is it ever referred to as a "nuclear" bomb..........

The A-bomb is a sub class of nuclear weapons.......first hit on google...

Nuclear Weapons

There are two basic types of nuclear weapon. The first type produces its explosive energy through nuclear fission reactions alone. Such fission weapons are commonly referred to as atomic bombs or atom bombs (abbreviated as A-bombs), though their energy comes specifically from the nucleus of the atom.

~ETA~ Do semantics really matter when talking about the instant death of approx 100,000 people?

[edit on 22-8-2010 by Connector]

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:49 PM
Dr Jay, I believe your post exemplifies the myriad of reasons for anti-US sediment. Before my discourse- a little about me. Unfortunately I was born in a country that had been over-run and dominated by America before I came around. My parents fled to this country for educational opportunities from another country over-run by Amerikan dictates, puppets and suppression.

Your defense and rally around Amerika is predominantly based upon the function of US forces "policing the world." You cite several tyrants and places by name and your willingness to defend these people's human rights with the lives and financing by Amerikan people.

1st great example of problems:

You cite your understanding and allegiance to the idea that "All people have basic human rights."

This is the greatest example of Amerikan doublethink I think you mention. Due primarily because the whole concept of "Human Rights" is based upon a system that would destroy the United States: world government.

Let's refer to the source of your Human Rights: The UN. [url][/un]. As evidenced within Article 29, section 1, You can only expect socialism, and Art 29 S2 states your human rights are only effective so long as you do not exercise your rights in a manner contrary to the UN.

What perhaps you are unaware of is that with the birth of the 13 sovereign states, there became a radical idea of rights: individual rights. The are evidence within the Declaration of Independance (the initial and primary foundation for what would later become the USA, and then Amerika).

Your citation of Human Rights, and the forced service of your neighbors, or the armed robbery to plunder neighbors' tables for the sake of the war machine, is totally contrary to the character of an inviolate, individual right.

Your citation and adherence to the UN's Human Rights exemplifies the difference from the USA and Amerika. There once was a union of sovereign countries called, the United states. They used a foundational document called, the US Constitution. Today, we live in a country called, "America" that has no known foundation, and has devoured each country within its domination.

I was born in a country that no longer exists. It was called the Republic of the state of Missouri. Now it is populated by your Amerikans clinging to ideas of global cultural hegemony (illusory of course). Even when the old Soviet Union broke apart the countries regained their independence! Not so here (yet).

The next example is the wonderful vigor you have for bringing justice to crimes against humanity. So quick are you to dispatch your neighbors to the bloody fields, you have yet to bring any credibility to your war.

In the former United states, there was a political body called, Congress, that required 2/3rd majority to make a Declaration of War. In Amerika, there is no known source of authority or credibility, and it is anyone's guess where the rules come from.

I join you Dr. Jay however, and find great frustration with people who erroneously becry the United states for the crimes of Amerika. Whilst it will be rare to ever hear me criticize the United states, please do understand that I am part of the billions of people who have serious problems with the mystical character and unknown direction of this alien body known to me as Amerika.

Originally posted by DrJay1975
I'm so tired of people just spouting off antiAmerican trash and ignoring facts...

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Danbones
Heh HeH, you are are certainly that: confused.

You sure are confused. Your post had absolutely nothing to do with martial law, which I was addressing in mine.

But hey, keep on rocking with your bad self.

Originally posted by Danbones
PS I'm half American.

Oh, yeah? Big deal.

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 06:55 PM

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Yes, the military started the war. The civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not start the war and did not deserve to be vaporized. There is absolutely no excuse for a war crime. Japan started the war with America by attacking a military target; America ended it by obliterating cities full of innocent people

Guess you forgot about the Rape of Nanking, just like the majority of people here do on ATS. You know, where the IJA murdered thousands of innocent Chinese civilians.

And that's not all! They later went on to kill millions of more innocent Chinese civilians.

Like you said, no excuse for a war crime, but here on wonderful "deny ignorance" ATS, that always gets overlooked.

The Japanese started the war. They committed war crimes on Allied personnel and civilians in every country they occupied. Their leaders were the ones that brought about the US giving them the atomic mushroom stamp on their foreheads. Twice.

[edit on 22-8-2010 by jerico65]

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
When was the last time America sent UNARMED ships and transport aircraft filled with food, tents, and blankets, to assist another country with humanitarian aid in a disaster ?

Well, I can vouch for the fact that the USAF transport aircraft are not armed when they are moving supplies like that. They aren't armed at all.

Most of the supply ships aren't armed, either (or nothing truly offensive in nature). The Comfort is a hospital ship.

Considering the time critical need for supplies, why waste any trying to haul off every plane, helicopter (which are needed to move supplies), rocket, bomb and round of ammo from a carrier???

So your point is what????

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 07:17 PM

Originally posted by Torgo
reply to post by 8fl0z

Is anyone else relishing the delicious irony of a song like this coming from a British citizen? Seems to me that he needs to brush up a little on the history of the British Empire before he blindly rages against America.

[edit on 21-8-2010 by Torgo]

He's from Palestine.

He's not technically British, only by citizenship, so he can criticize whoever.

Also, what does it matter where youre from? If you see injustice, point it out.

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 08:34 PM
reply to post by jerico65

Instead of retyping my previous, which you missed, I will just give you the link.

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 09:04 PM
reply to post by InvisibleAlbatross

You say that, "Japanese civilians didn't kill the Chinese civilians in Nanking" but they sure didn't fuss about their Army committing those murders.

And yes, I'm in agreement that since the Japanese started the war, they shouldn't be shedding any tears on how it ended. It was simply a war of conquest; the Japanese were rolling up as many countries as they could, and damn anyone that got in their way.

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:21 PM
reply to post by wcitizen

Er, yes I did. Even though the person who posted the video and the artist of the video he posted both stated that they hold no ill will toward the American people, they're still incorrect for thinking that America is the only country with a corrupt government. Two words: Tony Blair.

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:33 PM
reply to post by 8fl0z

He's actually of ENGLISH and IRAQI descent. He was born in ENGLAND to an IRAQI mother and an ENGLISH father. He never experienced the hardships of a Palestinian youth. He enjoyed all the benefits that western society has to offer, while at the same time lambasting the very people who gave him his freedoms.

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:47 PM
Ah yes, those poor, innocent Japanese civilians. Well folks, I'm afraid it's just not that cut and dry. The Japanese society is as much to blame for the atrocities committed by their military and their warmongering. It's estimated that a mainland invasion of Japan would have been upwards of 1.5 million casualties to suppress Japan's warfighting capabilities and will.
One more time for good measure....1,500,000 Americans alone. Estimations are around 5-10 million Japanese casualties. Japanese civilians were forming into combat brigades by the droves, many with suicidal mentalities.

With all that being said, I'm not sure that dropping the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima were the right thing, but the alternative sure as hell wasn't either. Save the crap about Japan being a 'victim'.

As for these widespread opinions that the war in Iraq was purely oil-driven, that's just ridiculous. Gas prices have still managed to double from peace-time numbers, but's because we wanted to gobble up all that oil. I'm sure Russia and China get a big kick out of these claims as they continue to buy up all the rights to Iraq and Afghanistan's natural resources.

US administrations have clearly made some poor choices, and criticism should fall hardest on those who bear the most repsonsibility. Save the dogma and anti-US propaganda however, especially when the vast majority of everyone here has enjoyed the blanket of protection and stability the US provides, both economically and militarily.

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 11:13 PM
I think many people look askance at the USA when they consider the madness that currently passes for your political discourse.

The NYC Mosque/Ground Zero Mosque for example. Everyone worked up into a frenzy about this particular building. They'd have you believe this monstrous edifice is being constructed right now slap bang on top the WTC footprint, adorned with a solid gold dome 1776 feet in diameter, fully equipped with minarets primed and ready to summon the Battery Park faithful to prayer.

It's not even going to be a mosque, of course, it's a cultural centre designed to promote peace and understanding between all faiths, but primarily between Christian and Muslim.

Isn't that the scariest thing ever ? Peace & understanding ? God Almighty, they don't want that do they ? So your thought processes are being hijacked and manipulated in the most cynical fashion possible. The way some American loons are reacting to this complete non starter of a story (and even some members on ATS need their heads examining) you'd think these meek, mild, peaceful ... and American ... Muslims were wanting to manufacture dirty nuclear bombs in the place. Or perhaps the US public think it's some kind of Trojan Stargate they're proposing to build, from which hordes of little Allah Akbar fanatics with their AK47's will come rampaging through & all the way up Lower Manhattan.

I personally know of two laundrettes which are going to be closer to Ground Zero than that cultural centre, but no-one's complaining about them and how their dirty washing's an affront to American sensibilities. This proposed building is even further away from the supposedly hallowed ground that is Ground Zero than is the tawdry visitor centre built right on top of truly hallowed ground ... Gettysburg Battlefield ... ("full candlelit country breakfast as well as afternoon tea & cookies provided ... $159"). There's a cafe and public lavatory closer to the USS Arizona Memorial than this cultural centre is to Ground Zero for chrissakes.

But you don't hear anyone crying about those particular cynical exploits, do you ... mainly because the dead lying in those fields and in that hull are very very dead indeed and haven't been memorialised for all eternity on Facebook, unlike others, those whose families are being exploited in their every agony to the maximum hilt by the likes of Fox News and all the rest of the right wing crappers who so dominate the United States media.

Anyway, I digress, but in a way I really don't. Because until you people learn to disengage your brains from all the pap you're being spoon fed, the whole wide world is going to look at you as if you've got horns coming out of your heads.

posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 11:14 PM
very basic propaganda; i can't believe this thread is being flagged...

so sad

please listen to this and remember it next time you want to use the anti rethoric

Google Video Link

[edit on 22-8-2010 by ::.mika.::]

posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 12:30 AM

The American Past of Darkness

Anti America
I hope America Learns From the Mistakes, it has made within ...

Indian massacre
Battle of Wa#a River

In the 1970 film Little Big Man,[98] based on the 1964 novel by Thomas Berger, director Arthur Penn depicted the Seventh Cavalry's attack on Black Kettle's village on the Wa#a as a massacre resembling the 1968 My Lai massacre by U.S. troops during the Vietnam War.[99][100]

Clip of Wounded Knee Massacre from the HBO film

Americanization (of Native Americans)
Indian removal
Primary Documents in American History
Indian Removal Act

As there's many more

If I Were President of the USA
Russell speaks about the need to retrieve the U.S. Constitution from the "toilet," and what true representative government is.

Slavery in the United States

Images of African-American Slavery and Freedom
From the Collections of the Library of Congress

Lynching in the United States

Without Sanctuary ( Warning very Graphic )
Lynching postcards
Ku Klux Klan

Japanese American internment Camps

Civil Rights & Riots ! from Segregation to Equality of the 60s

How do you Conqueror a nation ! you influence the crap out of it
learn what Britain Has Done in the Last 300 years as the Romans did before them... Thank god Hitler did not Learn from this Tactic
Here you can have what we have but we need part of your country
Team America the Patriot act is the New Mccarran Act
1950s: Internal Security Act of 1950
Terrorism is the New Communism Put Terrorist instead of Communist

One movie that put's the Internal Security Act of 1950 in full Swing

The Pre FEMA CAMPS !!!!! Detainees of Draft dodgers and One's with a Terrorist Label Threat Card .... or Anti Government Anti American, Civil Rights Activist Anti war Movement..

Punishment Park

Punishment Park

Has this Already happen ? to a certain extent it Has
Ask a Japanese American that was in a internment Camps during WW2

How to catch a wild pig ! Theory

[edit on 23-8-2010 by Wolfenz]

[edit on 23-8-2010 by Wolfenz]

posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 12:47 AM

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posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Silver Shadow

What Americans call defending freedom and democracy always involves either a bombing raid, unprovoked surgical strike, or some sort of military invasion of another country.

When was the last time America sent UNARMED ships and transport aircraft filled with food, tents, and blankets, to assist another country with humanitarian aid in a disaster ?

You cannot even handle a natural disaster in your own country.
Anything like the oil in the Gulf, or Katrina,
America and it's military has absolutely no answer for.

Everything is always greed, war, lethal force, and aggression with Americans.

Please tell me this is sarcasm, or a joke... this is the most absurd thing I've ever read. The USA spends BILLIONS in aid... tsunami ring a bell?

I am a US citizen and regularly donate my hard earned money to USA based companies that provide foreign aid, how much money do you donate to help those less fortunate?

Or do you just sit about and complain about those that actually do?

Originally posted by jerico65
So your point is what????

He has no point... he's just spewing more cliche anti-american crap.

It's funny, people in other parts of the world always are so quick to complain about us, but what are THEY doing to help? My guess: not a whole hell of a lot.

[edit on 23-8-2010 by iandh]

posted on Aug, 23 2010 @ 03:42 AM
reply to post by Wolfenz

Thanks for the link of the postcards representing lynchings. I knew Americans had killed a great number of black people this way, but I didn't know they had been so far in the nefarious as to sell postcards of it! Very disturbing.
I will never understand how the Americans can think they are the best Christians on earth when they still have the death penalty, the right to own weapons and more than 2 millions prisoners?!

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