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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 03:30 AM
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The anti-US crowd???

Heck no, I am with the anti-labeling crowd!!

Do you really think you are served with creating yet another "group" with your labels??

Sometimes I am anti-US, sometimes I am pro-US.....but I guess that is once again not an option.

"You are either for us or against us"...

Well count me out! I'll be at home minding my own business, so you know where to send the lynch mob......

Peace

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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 03:39 AM
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Dear DrJay1975
From DrJay1975 “So if you want to complain about the USA thats fine. But before you act like we're the global antichrist, look around the globe. No country does more for this planet. No country has done more for this planet. No country has defended freedom and democracy to the extent the US has.”

Before I read the above I thought you where just a misguided American.

Most people who complain about the US are complaining about your government.

The problem is and I know you can’t help it, you elect them.

Guess what it doesn’t have to all be the American way.

You say “No country does more for this planet.” No country does more to wreck this planet. That tends to piss people off.

Most of what you mention the US has done nothing about.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:24 AM
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Yup.

What Americans call defending freedom and democracy always involves either a bombing raid, unprovoked surgical strike, or some sort of military invasion of another country.

When was the last time America sent UNARMED ships and transport aircraft filled with food, tents, and blankets, to assist another country with humanitarian aid in a disaster ?

You cannot even handle a natural disaster in your own country.
Anything like the oil in the Gulf, or Katrina,
America and it's military has absolutely no answer for.

Everything is always greed, war, lethal force, and aggression with Americans.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:33 AM
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Originally posted by Skippy1138
Equinox- please tell me which 2 cities the U.S. dropped "nuclear bombs" on?


Ummmm....

Hiroshoma and Nagasaki

......and I didn't even need to use Google....sheesh.....



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 04:34 AM
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Have you ever heard of the term "Straw man arguement"? I will criticise the US because I want the US to be a better place for Me to live in and for the world. Sorry The US knows better and should do so. THe US has given a lot to the world and it is a place that I truly love. It is therefore deserving of my criticism as much as the totalitarian countries you have mentioned deserve my contempt.

We will disagree on this one.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 08:13 AM
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Unfortunately america commits much of these "crimes against humanity" that you speak of, they are just good at hiding it from the population. I love the argument that america goes around the world and spreads freedom and democracy which couldnt be further from the truth.

If we were so concerned with human rights and freedom, why are we never in africa where so much of it goes on? Theres genocide and slavery going on there right now but we are in afghanistan searching for a small band of extremists. Dont you think that africa might need our help a little more that the middle east?

Theres no doubt that they do, but for some reason we keep returning to the middle east with some new excuse for being there. It is complete bs.

And yes, we do give the most money away because we make by far the most. What most people dont know is that there are quite a few other countries that actually give much more of a percentage of their gdp than america does. Interesting how msm spun that to make us look like the most generous country.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 08:21 AM
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I am a proud American a veteran and one, who believes regardless of all of our mistakes we still strive as a people to be the greatest country on earth. A beacon of light to those who hope, and a symbol of how they would want there own countries to operate, in freedom and truth.

The United States is not perfect, man is not perfect so nothing that we create is perfect, I believe that we try hard to do what is right, with good intentions even though the outcome can be twisted and perverted to meet the needs of those who want to stand in the way of the United States.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Just wait until that very same US government declares martial law and starts bringing "freedom and democracy" to Americans at gun point.



Is this the martial law that Bush was suppose to declare, or the martial law that Obama is suppose to declare? I get confused between the two; could you sort them out for me?


Heh HeH, you are are certainly that: confused.
re Katrina: the part where the six big Bubbas jump on the little ol'lady with the unloaded 32 is particularly LOL, buddy
www.youtube.com...

That, and the people who support, and LOL, that sort of thing are one reason why so many people are not too sure about Americans...
(not to mention NO WMDS, no OBL, and big opium hauls,...and funding Mao
the gulf of Tonkin, and installing the Shaw...)


(CBS/AP) Even though their country has been at war there for three years, six in 10 young American adults were unable to locate Iraq on a map of the world, a survey found.

www.cbsnews.com...
jeez, 30 million Illegal Mexicans can find America on a map and on the ground too apparently.


How Americans Became The Fattest People In the world

www.ourcivilisation.com...

Now If I were to use the phrase
Stupid fat lying bullies would that be hate speech or just an observation?

Ps:
the bit about the porn star?
its all right when other people label a person that....
BUTT, as a self descripter...
Well you know what they say about a guy who braggs about his own sex life.

have a nice day American dood.



PS I'm half American
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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 08:55 AM
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If you want to call empire building, helping then go ahead. But I say your wrong. What is wrong with what the forefathers mandated in the constitution? To only protect the people of America and not start on a global mission of being the globes police force or an empire builder. How many jobs could be created with the money being sent overseas to fight a war that hasnt even been declared a war by congress, as is supposed to be the law per the constitution. Why so much constitution bashing and hating in America?



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 09:05 AM
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In regards to the Op:

The thing about sticking your nose into other peoples business is that eventually, someone will break it. It's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'. Each time you stick your nose in where it's not wanted, you're playing a game of odds.

It's not the job of the US to police the world, though I've seen some crazy reasons to justify it under the ambiguous banner of 'Liberation'... all flimsy and weak, all biased, hypocritical and all dripping with conflicts of interest.

It seems the people who often need liberation sit on top of fossil fuels or precious metals and stones. That's why Tibet & Darfur are conspicuously ignored. Nothing there for the corporations to plunder!

The reason we have terrorism now is due to the US's quest to secure fossil fuels throughout the middle east, and the support of Israel, the American proxy in the ME. So what is the US solution to the Terrorism problem... Do more of the same of course! Brilliant strategy! This is the type of action that turned the term 'Military Intelligence' into an oxymoron.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of American friends on here that I respect, and some of my family are also American. What I refer to above is related to the government and corporations that are running the show. Not the everyday people... except for those who blindly support this crap.

I don't hate Americans, I can't hate a brother but I don't have to like what your government does or allows in the name of spreading corporatocracy. Don't confuse the two.

IRM



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Nothing is all evil as nothing is all good.

One could certainly point out the negative things the US is responsible for and also some positive things they do.

The question is if overall the negative outweighs the positive or vise versa.

Also consider that much of the good that the US does is for self interest

As for the evils of other countries, well one has to consider that ALL third world countries have come out of colonialism at one point in their recent history.

India for instance wasn’t a free country up until 1947, and many other countries the OP mentioned have not had 3 centuries of freedom like the US.

The Sudan for instance only got its independence in 1956. Before that they were colonized by many powerful countries such as England and Turkey.

Most of those countries the OP mentions are not even 50 years out of colonial exploitation from some European country.

Therefore for the OP to always compare the US to these small countries is questionable.

The US should be compared to modern European countries then their record is abysmal.

All those lands have health care for all.

They don’t go around invading and warring on small countries like the US, recently:

Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan

And don’t send their intelligence agency around to murder foreign leaders and control other countries.


As for Iraq, it may turn out that the US invasion has set back woman’s rights there because at least under Saddam woman’s rights were far superior in Iraq than most mideast countries.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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I have to agree with Letscit
If America wasn't being used like a tool, and followed the constitution and the direction the forefathers gave it, it would really be the envy of the world. Everyone would eventually follow suit, and America would really have helped the world by leading by example.

Empire building (leading)by the gun is not helping, its helping yourself, and what's worse, the majority of Americans don't even benefit from this, they are paying for it, just like Germans are still paying for the Zionist Hitler, and the Nazi helping of everyone in WWll.

So America had, and maybe still has, the potential to be the shining light of the free world, but unless Lady Liberty gets her boots on soon its all over.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by Skippy1138
Equinox- please tell me which 2 cities the U.S. dropped "nuclear bombs" on?

You must be kidding! Hiroshima and Nagasaki don't ring a bell to you?

By the way, during WWII USA imprisoned in camps all the Japanese who were on their soil.

USA has a lot to be ashamed of and torture is one of them. Go there : Mohammed-al-qahtani torture logs and read the second PDF at the end of the page. You'll learn a lot about your country which fights for everyone's freedom!



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:03 AM
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We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don’t want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

I really do think this is what America should do. We need to stay out of other country's business unless they are going to do something that is gonna effect the world or us firsthand. We do need to pull out of other country's and let them be.

We need to stop supporting Israel and pull out of all countrys if we would do those 2 things i think the hating would die down and things would smooth out. Does anyone agree?


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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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100 hundred percents..Agree
Honest Critics don't hate America, they are generally trying to wake America up..for her own good.
What makes me wonder are those that support the status quo as though it is patriotic...which seems to be the opposite of the above, and the opposite of what is in America's best interests too.

see the thread about Mexican police protecting Illegals in New York
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Remember the American police actions?
Is that what is next for America now?...
To host one of those doos for herself?



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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:10 AM
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The United States certainly does have alot to be ashamed of. Most leaders of this great land have lost sight of the constitution and declaration of independence.

The US stole from the native Americans, enslaved the African, and worked the poor in sweat shops. All for greed, while this is not a problem I feel of just the United States, the US just so happen to have the opportunity to take from the weak and satisfy there needs.

All this said, I will not give up on America, no matter what. Till Death I wont give up on my country. many people say that the United States is a lost cause, the one great light of the natural world has been snuffed out. If we think this way it will be a prophecy that will come to past

Instead lets take pride in the United States, lets commit to loving one another, to giving and freedom. Freedom to speak, to pray, to live how you choose without the hand of the government creeping into our homes.

Today I beleieve that the United States has overstepped its bounds in some of these areas, and that a message should be sent to the Government that it only has power because of the people. We are government, and we serve each other. this should be the motto of today.

As far as wars and rumurs of wars, we must take action even when unpopular. We can not give into terrorist or allow there operation to take place anywere in the world.

Does this make the United States the world police? Most certainly, I realy dont see many other countries taking action against the tyrants who wish to impose destruction and take away freedom.

God Bless America!



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by inforeal

The US should be compared to modern European countries then their record is abysmal.

All those lands have health care for all.

They don’t go around invading and warring on small countries like the US, recently:

Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan

And don’t send their intelligence agency around to murder foreign leaders and control other countries.


Yeah maybe, but don't look into our past (I'm from Europe):
King Leopold's genocide in Congo
The massacre of Setif in Algeria
and the list goes on...
And you can ask yourself where a big part of our wealth comes from.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by inforeal
The US should be compared to modern European countries then their record is abysmal.




Oh Brother...

Europe has been one of the most violent continents on the planet. 100s of Millions killed in internal wars not to mention more 100s of millions killed globally due to colonialism. pffft Look at the last two centuries. Not to mention the Cold War stand off between East and West or whats going on in Eastern Europe as we speak.

Sure spreading colonialism was a bad thing but it's in the past right? Well so is Vietnam,[ I mean French Indochina] Panama, Grenada etc.

Age of enlightenment.
PLEASE!


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posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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DrJay1975 said it right. For all the trouble we've caused, no other country has offered so much. Even President Obama, a man you all despise so much, said himself, "we haven't always been thanked for it." There is simply no getting around the fact we give and give and give to the rest of the world, yet we are still the world's boogeyman.

And I really do have to echo DrJay1975's sentiments. What if the U.S. had never intervened? Do you all believe the world would truly be better off? Would Europe have been better off under imperial German control? Would Europe have been better off under Nazi German control? Would all of the Eastern Hemisphere been better off under imperial Japanese control?

I think not.

I have all the respect in the world for the non-interventionists and isolationists within our society. But you have got to be joking if you say the U.S. has not done a single thing right internationally. We have done all the right things and it is an insult to the very core of this country to malign the United States in this manner.



posted on Aug, 22 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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America will be okay. Resolve is our greatest strength.



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