TO all members of the Anti-US crowd

I'm so tired of people just spouting off antiAmerican trash and ignoring facts, engaging in open hypocrisy and resulting to namecalling when people disagree with them. Why is the US so hated? Because the US sticks it's perverbial nose in everyone elses business. Right? They won't mind their own business.

All people have basic human rights. What are they? Hmmm, that's a great question. So what are human rights violations. It is, in a sense, to treat them as if they are less than human and undeserving of respect and dignity. Examples are acts typically deemed "crimes against humanity," including genocide, torture, slavery, rape, enforced sterilization or medical experimentation, and deliberate starvation. Because these policies are sometimes implemented by governments, limiting the unrestrained power of the state is an important part of international law. Underlying laws that prohibit the various "crimes against humanity" is the principle of nondiscrimination and the notion that certain basic rights apply universally.

So should the most powerful free country in the world intervene when these things happen? I think so. Apparently some of you think we ought to mind our own business. And many of you want someone to violate our rights so we'll stop "sticking our nose where it doesn't belong." You want us to get what's coming to us. For all the terrible things you accuse the US of, most of which are not true, what is widely ignored are the horrors going on elsewhere.

Omar al-Bashir-You ever heard of him? Don't see a lot of rants about him being almost done with the Darfur villages and moving on to slaughtering refugee camps. His estimated body count is over 180,000 murdered innocents.

Kim jong Il-THe us is still wrose huh? Did you know the average NK 7 year old is 8 inches shorter than a SK of the same age? I guess it sucks to be a 7 year old in one of the reeducation camps. But at least there are more than a quarter million folks in the camps to be friends with.

Than Shwe-Ever been to Burma? Take your kids. They get forced into the military before they stop wetting the bed. You like working at the Burma post office? Good resigning is punishable by death in many situations.

Islam Karimov- Uzbeckistan? Did you hear about the town meeting he called to hear out grievances? 10,000 men, women and children. He killed them all. Then he made a law where he and his entire family were immune from prosecution forever.

Hu Jintao-Who? Hu. That's Hu. Err who. Let's see 300,000 in reeducation labor camps. 150 million who live on less than a dollar a day. No minimum wage. Under 5% of criminal trials have witnesses. The conviction rate is 99.7%. No private tv or radio stations. Censorship and monitoring of phone calls, texts, faxes and emails. Oh, only one child with a permit 1st though. YOur pregnant without a permit or for a 2nd? Umm let's rip the baby out when you are a week from the due date and cut the child in half while you watch.

King Abdullah- Wow Saudi Arabia. If you live there you have to be a mUslim. If your a women you have to be covered and can't be in public with a male who isn't related to you. Women, I know we gripe about your driving in the US but the Saudis dont allow you to drive period. ooh, don't forget torture is widespread and illegal.

Saparmurat Niyazov- Where the hell is Turkmenistan? IDK but if you critisize him or his policies it's an automatic treason conviction. examples of his government-by-whim include bans on car radios, lip-synching and playing recorded music on TV or at weddings. Niyazov also has closed all national parks and shut down rural libraries. He launched an attack on his nation’s health-care system, firing 15,000 health-care workers and replacing most of them with untrained military conscripts. He announced the closing of all hospitals outside the capital and ordered Turkmenistan’s physicians to give up the Hippocratic Oath and to swear allegiance to him instead.

Seyed Ali Khamane’i-What, Iran with no aquamanjihad? The country is really run by the 12 MAN guardian council. They can VETO ANY LAW FROM THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT. There is no free press in Iran. Gays are routinely executed. Not to mention the widespread abuses against women.

Muammar al-Qaddafi-Did you know 90% of the population of Lybia is under surveillance? Did you know if you are a Lybian and are convicted of critisizing Qaddafi that you get the death penalty? Did you know that your friends and family(just like the AT@T plan) can be punished too>

Bashar al-Assad-Oh sweet Syria, EMERGENCY RULE was declared 37 yearsago. Still going strong. At least there are only 38 kinds of acceptable torture in Syria. Does assasinating the former Lebanese PM count as a violation?

Pervez Musharraf-Oh no, not Pakistan. Pervez is an open supporter of the Taliban. Appointed himself president(was military head) in 2001 then faked an election 2002 to legitimize himself.

Meles Zenawi-Ethiopia- Shot a few dozen unarmed demonstraters. Detained 10,000 politicians.

Boungnang Vorachith-Laos Nice a communist- lets share. Oh wait 75% of the population lives on less than $2 per day. No freedom of exspression, speech or religon.

Tran Duc Luong-Vietnam Oh he's not so bad, he just controls and censors all media and made it a crime to critisize the communist party. He's also one of the worst supressionists of religon in the world.

Remember Iraq before we went in? Widespread torture. Destroying food sources of rivals. Murder, assasinations, chemical weapons... And before you say "what chemical weapons?" look up Halabja, nerve gassing civillians. Illegal to gather as a group un;less you were supporting the government. Women couldn't leave the country without a male escort. Slaughtering the Kurds.

Afghanistan-Women were forced to wear the burqa in public.They were allowed neither to work nor to be educated after the age of eight, and until then were permitted only to study the Qur'an. They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperon, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. They faced public flogging in the street, and public execution for violations of the Taliban's laws. Yup the US screwed that place up.

Women are opressed and treated as substandard human beings all over the globe. Did you know a few years ago in 2001 7000 women were murdered because of inadaquate dowery payments?

Did you know in africa, in almost every country several million girls a year suffer forced genital mutilation?

Did you know in the most middle eastern countries compensation marriges are widespread? Where young girls are given away to settle disputes?

Did you know in Thailand that there are 35,000 sex slaves?

Over the past 10 years in the Congo there have been almost half a million gang rapes?

Where is slavery legal today? Sudan and Niger.

Where is near slavery ok? WHich means bonded labor and trafficking of humans is allowed or not enforced. UAE, Indonesia, Nepal, Pakistan and India.

As far as trafficking being allowed to function : Bolivia, Burma, Cambodia, Cuba, Ecuador, Jamaica, Kuwait, North Korea, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Togo, United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela.

That's what happens when people aren't free. That's why the US fights for democracy. That's why they fight to free people. What would happen if we never intervened anywhere? Name one country that recieved no benefit from America? The US has done more for human rights and freedom across the globe than anyone else. They provided more aid across the globe than any 2 countries. Nobody is perfect, but for all the USA bashing you'd think Milosovich was ruunning our nation.




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I dont hate the land in which i live, i hate the people in charge.

[edit on 21-8-2010 by 8fl0z]

Your post was a bit long for me to even consider reading at such a late hour

however i applaud the everyday american people who generally are a nice bunch and hope you all do something mighty soon to bring your corrupt government to justice and return your country to the great place it once was

Good Luck

So you don't like criticism of the Way the US government does things, eh ?

Just wait until that very same US government declares martial law and starts bringing "freedom and democracy" to Americans at gun point.

When US soil is declared a war zone, and the US military start bombing, shooting, torturing, and plundering American Citizens.

America is about to self destruct.
And the entire world will say you deserve every bit of it...........

S&F Thanks for the post OP, I've wanted to post something to this effect for awhile but never took the time to research and type it all out. People are so quick to bash the U.S. about most everything while conveniently ignoring the real travesties going on around the world.

So if you want to complain about the USA thats fine. But before you act like we're the global antichrist, look around the globe. No country does more for this planet. No country has done more for this planet. No country has defended freedom and democracy to the extent the US has.

You know what, I'm almost sorry I made this thread. Deny Ignorance. Not possible for some people. No country is perfect. But in comparison to most of the globe, we do a great job.

Hate the US all you want. You call us names, racist, prejudiced, bigots.... How many Muslim countries offer equal rights? How many African countries? How many Asian nations? America gives rights to the people trying to bring it down. How many countries do that? How many countries will stand up and fight the types of governments that allow the kinds of things in the OP to happen?

It's a small list. We do more to help this world than anyone else. Sorry ya'll forgot about that. Yup, we do some bad things too. But I'm sorry, when I look at most of the earth and what people can and can't do, I'm still glad to live here, even with our rights being stripped away.

But my question is this: Do people have basic human rights? Should these rights be protected? Or should these countries be allowed to continue with what they do now?

The answer is yes, people have basic human rights. Yes, they should be protected. And most of the HR violations in the world now are in Africa, the middle east and Asia.

Contrary to what some people think, everything is not ok. If a country wants to committ genocide, have a system where some folks are worth less than others, etc.... Then they need to be stopped. THe Iran thing made me think of this. SHould a country that treats women, gays etc... the way they do, be allowed to have nuclear power? No, thats another topic. The fact is America is not as bad as most of this board says. It does not deserve the bashing it gets while all of these other cesspools get a pass.

Some people need a reality check in my opinion.

reply to post by DrJay1975


I am a little afraid to ask this because I fear you'll lash out.

But I'm honestly curious as to why you care what others on a forum think of your country? (btw, I am an American citizen)

It's an honest question ... what do you care what folks you've never met and have no relationship to, think of the US?

[edit on 21 Aug 2010 by schrodingers dog]

Mods, I think this belongs in the rant forum.

If you don't like crackers or cheese, then you shouldn't be partaking in good whine.

The U.S. is just as screwed up as everyone else, and guilty of of the same atrocities, crimes and stupidity as most other great powers. What makes the U.S. different is that it still denies this truth when others understand this about themselves.

Denial much?

Parallex.

reply to post by DrJay1975


It isn't that we are anti-America, I love America. But your leaders have been pretty harsh in the past. You have done some things that would be deemed war crimes if another nation had committed them.

1. Dropping Nuclear Bomb on 2 cities
2. Overthrew the leader of Iran
3. Vietnam
4. Iraq vs Iran, which was instigated by the US
5. Iraq, killing the leader and destabilizing the nation
6. Afghanistan
7. Allowing Israel to have nukes, yet no one else can
8. Many espionage committed by the CIA
9. Depleted uranium in Iraq
10. Killing many innocent bystanders in Afghanistan

And those are the ones that we know about. Imagine what other family jewels could be classified so the public won't riot.

I have nothing against Americans only the regime that controls the people.

reply to post by DrJay1975

Im with ya

What I would like to see is the US pull out of every country and bring our troops home and let the third worlds fight amongst them selves and for the US to stay in its own back yard to see how the rest of the world reacts wold be priceless IMHO

reply to post by DrJay1975


There is no doubt that there are many people at this moment around the world are having many injustices committed to them by their governments but that being said, the United States cannot be the police of the world.

How much money have we spent in sending our troops around the world over the last what? 40 years? I cannot begin to fathom how many 0's that number would be if we calculated the amount of money we spend sending in troops, and what has that changed? Nothing. Human injustices are still being carried out in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and even North Korea despite our involvements with or in those nations. So are we going to waste more money? Those countries for the most part can only have a movement of liberty and justice from within, by its people. This notion that we can send in troops and change peoples attitudes, create justice, Im sorry but it does not work like that around the world.

The most interesting thing is that you are under this impression that our involvement in those countries had something to do with human rights? I don't think so.

[edit on 21-8-2010 by Southern Guardian]

Holy cow, other countries do bad things, so we should ignore the US doing bad things!

DrJay: Excellent post and God Bless You for taking the time to create it....

Now I will bring up 2 points that I also brought up on one of the lovely "America hating" threads on this site (and which no one responded to- gee,I wonder why?):

1- If America is so evil and terrible, then why are so many thousands and thousands of people trying so desperately to come here??

2- Whenever somebody needs help, be it militarily, due to famine, a natural disaster, etc etc- who does everyone come running to? AMERICA! And guess what? We never, EVER say "No"!

So maybe I'll just respond to myself:

1- Please stay home.
2- When some nutjob terrorist dictator nukes your little Shangri-La of a country, please don't come crawling to us for help anymore.Thanks.

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reply to post by DrJay1975


What are you trying to do put people in the know back inside the box? Or keep people who are ignorant inside the box? Those in the know who are not part of the global criminal establishment are not anti-US or anti-American they are anti-global elites who are controlling US foreign policy unbeknownst to the majority of the American people.

Equinox- please tell me which 2 cities the U.S. dropped "nuclear bombs" on?

reply to post by Skippy1138


What about all the dictators installed and supported by the US?

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
Holy cow, other countries do bad things, so we should ignore the US doing bad things!

Nope but if you gonna crucify a person, nation etc for doing bad things dont pick one crucify them all. Run your mouth about other countrys injustices not just the USA.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Skippy1138

 

What about all the dictators installed and supported by the US?

Do you dare criticize AUHMURIKKKAH?

[edit on 21-8-2010 by SpectreDC]

You gotta love the rumored Robin Williams plan.


1) “The US will apologize to the world for our “interference” in their affairs, past &present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those “good ‘ole’ boys", we will never “interfere” again.

2) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don’t want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.

3) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave.We’ll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of whom or where they are. They’re illegal!!! France will welcome them.

4) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don’t need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.

5) No foreign “students” over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don’t attend classes, they get a “D” and it’s back home baby.

6) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.

7) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don’t like it, we go someplace else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)

8) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not “interfere.” They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.

9) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don’t need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.

10) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us “Ugly Americans” any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH…learn it…or LEAVE…Now, isn’t that a winner of a plan?


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reply to post by ker2010


I agree with you in principle. The important difference is that countries the OP mentions are harming their own people. Very bad, but only those people are being hurt. The US (and other Western nations) on the other hand, has harmed a great many nations comprised of millions of people, with its foreign policies. The US portrays itself as the beacon of hope and freedom, but it does not walk the walk. This is why so many hate the American government. I have yet to meet anyone that hates America.