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The Fall of Rome (America?)

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posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 01:38 PM
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The cause of violent social disorder and government upheaval has not changed since the fall of the Roman Empire or the rise of Hitler or Pol Pot. Overthrow of a government involves dividing the people into classes and then getting the poor uneducated class to destroy the educated middle class. Class warfare resulting in anarchy and blood lust like the Rwandan Genocide is known as "Helter Skelter."

In Rome's case, one of the first steps involved the military. The Marian Reforms instituted by Gaius Marius were laws that waived the property requirement for men wishing to serve in the legions. Those recruited under these laws would receive their equipment from the State, and serve a sixteen-year term of service (which was later raised to twenty). After that, they would be granted land upon which to settle. In addition, allies (foederati) who volunteered were granted Roman citizenship after the end of their service. The Marian Reforms also created class within the military ranks. Roman Citizens were well armed while Foederati and poor classes may only be given slings. The slim chance of surviving 20 years on the front lines without armor or uptodate weapons and eventually becoming a Roman citizen was all it took to support the "lottery-based" system.

After being weakened by the Alaric and the Goths, Attila and the Huns, and Gaiseric and the Vandals, the Roman Empire was finally fragmented by the infiltration of Rome by Germanic Barbarians/Foederati who were brought into Rome as marginalized illegal aliens through Social Welfare programs and subsidies. These Federal Troops were contracted to provide warriors to fight in the Roman armies in exchange for food, gold, weapons, and eventually land in the Empire. Alaric was the first to lead barbarian Foederati hordes against the Empire Later, Odoacer in collusion with Emperor Zeno, led the Barbarian Foederati who lived in Italy in an insurrection against the Romulus Augustus promising them control of a 1/3 of Italy.

Rome was economically weak because of a huge trade deficit with China as well as huge social welfare programs promising free grain and entertainment (roman games). Rome was sending all its gold to the East in exchange for silks, cotton, china, spices, and wild animals. Rome had also outsourced grain production to Egypt. Despite higher and higher taxes, so much gold and silver was being sent to China, Emperors started debasing and diluting the currency. Also, because of the huge trade deficit with China, Rome lacked the wealth needed to pay and train a professional army. At that point, Western Roman military strength was almost entirely reliant upon foederati units. When the Empire was bankrupt, they no longer had money to pay the welfare, the Foederati were perfectly placed to bribe and manipulate to stage a Coup attempt. This is the power of impoverishment.

This kind of thing really works when the middle class stands up and says, "in order to save the government from bankruptcy, we no longer can afford social welfare for the poor." The poor who have become dependent upon the subsidies focus their anger on the middle class and against the government. The entitled masses will support any leader who stands up and makes promises to continue the welfare.

So, do we see the American and European governments following in the footsteps of Rome?



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posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by davedan978
So, do we see the American and European governments following in the footsteps of Rome?


Yes.

We're on life support.

It's all artificial, and the people are the walking dead.

Get out of the country while you still can.

Finalizing my plans, then I'm out.

Good luck.




posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 01:54 PM
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Well I realy hope it does not happen in America!
I love this part of the world, its alot better than living in the desert worried where I am going to get food and water.
I am pretty confident that America will not collapse


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posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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I don't want war, but the eventual war the globalists are planning against Iran may prolong things somewhat.

Currently, Iran is selling oil to China in Yuan and not dollars. China has downgraded the US credit rating which means they are no longer buying our TBills/Debt. China no longer needs a strong dollar to buy oil via the Petro-Dollar System.

So, right now the only people buying our huge deficits are banks using stimulus money.
And retirement/pension funds are being pressured to invest in T-Bills now.



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 02:11 PM
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i think America will collapse completely in the next ten years witch would cause a domino effect around the globe. i can see the the American government blatantly resorting to a sheer dictatorship in response to the "civil unrest" when it dose.
Every dog has it's day America's no different. don't think china will be to happy when America literally says we have no money left we cant pay you guys.
There's a reason your country's falling apart but but military spending through the roof.



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 02:39 PM
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Gosh some Americans on here make a point to complain all the time over their country, what on earth for? It's one of the most privileged societies in the world. Where the hell do you want to move to? Most Americans would not adapt anywhere else in the world as they will realize freedom is much more restricted in other countries, I'd say, move to Canada, but then you might as well stay where you are.

Germany saved the world from communism in the second world war. Now only America is standing in its way. So if America goes down you can kiss all the freedom you have goodbye no matter where u live.



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 02:44 PM
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Oh and btw Though many comparisons exist between Rome, The West and persia, but the most important aspect The West has is communication. The fact that you can talk to anyone and read information around the world in an instant, makes what happened in the past irrelevant as we live in different times.



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 03:31 PM
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kykweer--

The globalist created and control Communism. The whole idea of creating the Soviet Union according to Albert Pike and documents like the REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN is to create a threat big enough to scare the American People such that they will put up with an oppressively strong federal government that pretends to protect them.

Also, Are you trying to convince us that the lesson's of the past and history no longer apply to the modern age? Are you trying to tell us that the mantra "'Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it?" is now outdated?

I disagree with that outlook completely. Because history does repeat itself, and because communication is easier today, the great globalist conspiracy has gone to great efforts to re-write the past, and even re-define words and corrupt history.


The proof of this is knowing that they still practice the same MYSTERY RELIGION first practiced by CAIN who was the first to sell his soul to the devil and sacrifice his brother ABLE in exchange for riches.



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by davedan978
Currently, Iran is selling oil to China in Yuan and not dollars.


This is a replay of Iraq a decade ago.

We went there for two reasons.

1. Secure oil fields and fight a proxy war against China
2. They stopped trading oil in USD..

It's the EXACT same reasons we're going to be in Iran soon.



posted on Aug, 21 2010 @ 05:16 PM
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davedan978--


Originally posted by davedan978
kykweer--

The globalist created and control Communism. The whole idea of creating the Soviet Union according to Albert Pike and documents like the REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN is to create a threat big enough to scare the American People such that they will put up with an oppressively strong federal government that pretends to protect them.


I could write a book in reply to this, but in the end you will just accuse me of being controlled by globalists to which i will reply, so are you.


Originally posted by davedan978
Also, Are you trying to convince us that the lesson's of the past and history no longer apply to the modern age? Are you trying to tell us that the mantra "'Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it?" is now outdated?


No, but it had definitely evolved to a state where it can't be fully compared. Sure in controlled situations you can always learn something from the past, but change has a butterfly affect on society. Hitler sent out a lot of propaganda before and during the war, but its a drop in the bucket of propaganda after the war. as Sir Winston Churchill says, "History is written by the victors" and that is true because The British Commonwealth basically murdered many many people, but they are now "heroes" lol. So we can learn from the past, but what do we really learn that benefits us?



Originally posted by davedan978
I disagree with that outlook completely. Because history does repeat itself, and because communication is easier today, the great globalist conspiracy has gone to great efforts to re-write the past, and even re-define words and corrupt history.


Ok just read this again, maybe I'm reading it wrong, or maybe you didn't put forward what you really thought..."history does repeat itself"...

That seems like classic contradiction. By history I'm sure you're not referring to how your dad talks about his fishing trips from how he was a kid, but history we read about, in books and learn at school.

So we must learn from history even though great efforts have been made to "re-write the past, and even re-define words and corrupt history".

Who is being fooled here?




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