reply to post by babybunnies
Before I respond to you in specific I'd like to mention that each night in Keene, New Hampshire there is a group of Free State Project members who
protest the open container laws by openly drinking in the city center park where doing so is illegal. They call it the "night cap" event and it goes
very well 99% of the time with the only trouble being the occasional police man who comes in a causes trouble.
If the reasoning behind the law is to adjust people's lifestyles in a way to make it easier for police work, as you suggest, so they don't have to
rule out alternative explanations like passenger drinking, then its a stupid law with no point.
First of all, just because a given act is illegal doesn't mean it didn't happen. The driver still may simply report that he does not drink and a
passenger must have been drinking. The excuse still works just as well as it did prior to the law, thereby defeating the entire point of helping
police rule out explanations. Also, contrary to what complete jerks may tell me(hopefully not you), I am not my passengers keeper and cannot accept
responsibility for their actions unless I am their legal guardian.
Secondly, all the driver needs to do is put the cap back on and throw their liquor in a bag if pulled over. You really think people can't figure that
out? If they are pulled over and are not drunk, they'll think of it right away I'd bet.
Lastly, a driver should never say "it was the passenger who was drinking" even if that actually was the case. Rather, they should say, "My lawyer
has advised me not to speak to law enforcement about any topic at all without his presence. Allow me to call him over and he'll be happy to speak to
you on my behalf."
Your comment that people who don't know the reasoning behind nonsensical laws deserve to have their license revoked is Nazi-ish and draconian. If you
like that idea, perhaps you should quiz random trivia questions to people on the street, and if they fail the quiz you can take away their license at
gun point. Oh, you don't know the capital of Paraguay? You don't deserve a drivers license, hand it over. Tragically there are a lot of people in
government who think just like you.
While you may be right about the reasoning, I believe you are just guessing as to the point of the laws, and I think your guess is wrong. The point of
most laws in the modern age in the USA is profit, seeing how our laws are apparently authored mostly by for-profit corporations. Therefore, its a much
better guess that the law was put in place to collect additional revenue for the government, and/or justify additional employees to further expand the
power of the person responsible for the new positions so they can quote a bigger number of employees as being "under them" while getting a bigger
budget for their department. Perhaps you deserve to have your driver's license taken away for not knowing this. Nevermind, I'd be a Nazi brute to do
that, so no, keep your license.
Your idea that Alcoholic fumes can effect judgment sounds like you are just making things up now as you go along. I challenge you to come up with any
evidence at all showing you are right.
Driving is actually a right in the USA because we often need a car in this country to get from point A to point B. The only valid reason to stop
someone from driving is if they are recklessly endangering others on a regular basis or have actually harmed others by driving due to recklessness.
Remember that the US constitution does not grant any rights nor claim to list all of them, but rather lists off important rights that people naturally
have with or without a paper declaration, that the government is obligated to protect.
I'd strongly advise Mike that, with the permission of the driver, to go ahead and drink his booze if the driver does not mind the risk. Risk-return
decisions are people's own decision, so perhaps you should stop trying to force your nonsensical laws down other people's throat.
It would quite seriously be much more accurate to say you deserve to have your right to speak revoked for life (on account of advocating people being
harmed by taking away their driver's license), than it would be to say that people who cannot figure out the reasoning behind draconian laws deserve
their drivers license revoked for life.
Mike, you are welcome to drink in my car. Just bring along bottle caps and a bag... we'll be fine. It takes all of three seconds to pop caps on a
bottle and throw them in a grocery bag.