Facebook Users will have to change names to escape 'cyber past' warns Google's Eric Schmidt

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

A contract is a contract is a contract.

Yes it is!

However having said that in the case of renditions, there are superseding contracts regarding the treaties between say the United States and Sweden. If existing treaties allow for the actual rendition of citizens of one State to the next, then yes the contract you sign with a quasi-official owned corporation may come in to play.

Yes of course! all depending on the nature of the crime etc.

But if I step away from the more regular modus operandi between nation states on state level between two nation states at a more hypothetical level, I could technically probably be arrested at the requst of the US Legal Authorities when I'm travelling outside my own country - and if the US are hell bent on having my ass!

I wouldn't be suprised if this contract could be a valid reason and justify my arrest in front of a judge in some country somewhere.

A judge in a friendly country to the US could very well accept a contract which says in legalese that I stand under US Laws and US Jurisdiction as fully acceptable for my rendition to US Jurisdiction.

My embassy would then get my State Department to take contact with the US State Department with the usual procedure, but what good would that do me? by that time - It's too late! I'm probably just off the rendition plane somewhere in the US by then

So even if your membership on FaceBook inferred some level of jurisdiction of the U.S. Government over you, possession still remains 9/10th of common law.

Yeah well! maybe I could (hypothetically of course) have downloaded and seeded 18.000 GB of American Porn - wouldn't that count as 'possesion' of American Intellectual property?

Especially with the recent headlines about the recent (ACTA) Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement.

I think they could very well make an example of someone who had done the above scenario - to put a face to the campaign, to show that they are serious etc! no?

I'm going to do some more research on this with the FB account agreement to see what impact this Jurisdiction actually could have on foreign nationals in real life.


Well all jokes aside! I get your main points Proto - and thank you so much for lending me some minutes of your eminent intellect once more - I always enjoying reading the wise words from you my friend!

Btw! I wonder if they could twist: All Your 'Personal Information' Will Be Transferred To The US in legalese to include the 'Personal Information' of your 'Persona' - your DNA?

In that case I would basically sign away my DNA, which is the personal information of myself!

Kind regards!

[edit on 25-8-2010 by Chevalerous]

reply to post by Chevalerous

Actually besides the state that owns you, about 10 percent of your body is now patented chemicals that you ingest on a near daily basis.

So it’s actually corporations that could establish the second best claim to you, because you have patented chemicals that technically are their intellectual property inside of you!

For the time being the State’s justice system is designed simply on how to best profit off of you.

If you are not a danger to the State most cases are about determining how to maximize the state’s value off of you, and or minimize the State’s liabilities towards you.

Do you pay more in taxes than you would earn as prison labor?

If yes, then except in the case of very violent offences the state is simply going to want to pick your pockets through fines and fees.

If no, then the state would prefer to place you into the supervised slave labor pool by making you prison labor.

For now if you aren’t damaging state property, this is how the system works most places.

That could of course change if a new regime or system came to power similar to Nazi Germany where your political views alone could establish you as a danger to the State.

While we certainly appear to be headed in that direction we aren’t there quite yet.

If you put information out there on the grid, it may be used at some point in the future against in that manner.

For now though, the only thing most people have to fear is fear itself.

Thanks my friend. Some excellent food for though in your thread and posts.

This kind of stuff is the reason I think ATS should have stayed out of the social networking arena. I am even kind of annoyed at the idea that ATS staff asks us to "spread the word" to our Facebook friends.

When you start pressing "like" buttons on Facebook, you open yourself up to a can of worms, not to mention the fact I'm sure most members here have no desire to reveal their real names to other members, if for no other reason, because we can be sure there's government agents lingering here who could get our identifying info if they had an incling to.

Do people want their current or potential future employer to know they hang out on a government conspiracy website and discuss things like genocide by the government and shape-shifting aliens? I don't think so.

If you think you can "delete" or "uncheck" your way to safety, guess again. Depending on the TOS of the particular service, they may keep everything that you've uploaded permanently on backup, even after you've clicked the delete button. This includes private messages. Instead of searching for your name using the public search function, someone could simply query the backups.

If you don't want it on TV, don't post it to the Internet. It's that simple.