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What Makes Ground Zero (and the surrounding area) SACRED Ground?

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posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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I do not normally do this, but I will state the obvious. There are currently a lot of articles and media right now concerning this Ground Zero Mosque.

That said, we are hearing a lot about Ground Zero right now, and one thing I keep hearing is how Ground Zero is SACRED ground.

What makes ground Zero SACRED? The fact a Mosque is going up in the surrounding area?

Here is a link to the definition of SACRED:

SACRED DEFINED

Surprise Surprise.

The number one definition connected to SACRED has to do with RELIGION.

So now Ground Zero is a RELIGIOUS site?

I would love to hear some justifications for referring to Ground Zero as Sacred Ground.

Links Supporting My Claim GROUND ZERO SACRED GROUND connection in Media

In my opinion it is LAND. It is a SHAME it remains empty to this day nearly a decade later.

But it is really quite TELLING that some in our country have religiousized this issue, and I hope we have posters here who can see the irony of this, and how much deeper this goes on this issue.

AND, why all of a sudden is Ground Zero back in our headlines, and on our MINDS?

Not since 9 11 have I heard the words GROUND ZERO being bandied about so OFTEN.

Wonder why NOW?




posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 07:42 AM
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You can also use the the word "hallowed" ground to the same effect. And what makes it sacred or hallowed is that it was christened in the blood of 3000 innocents.

War battlefields are forever hallowed for the same reason and often with far less death.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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I've heard many people say this...and I think it is just people being ignorant of what sacred means.

The fact that the Muslim Community Center isn't even ON GROUND ZERO...is another misconception that is being spun by the media.

The "Ground Zero Mosque" is neither on "ground zero" nor a "mosque".

So GOOD JOB ATSers...way to buy into the spin of the media.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Hefficide

You can also use the the word "hallowed" ground to the same effect. And what makes it sacred or hallowed is that it was christened in the blood of 3000 innocents.

War battlefields are forever hallowed for the same reason and often with far less death.



Thank you for the reply, and one reason not related to religion.

The earth is billions of years old, I am sure Gaia has absorbed many many tons of human blood, every step we take is on a fallen human commrade, or fallen animal friend.

Myself, I find the idea of hallowing ground or making it sacred an odd idea in our world today, and think that being of forward thought is much healthier for the human psyche in the long run than past thinking, of which hallowing ground stands.

By calling it Sacred Ground we are forever tethering ourselves to tragedy, as opposed to forward thinking which focuses on what we can do in the future.

I was wondering if anyone else sees it my way, or if most people (Americans mostly as it is our country, but other countries too since it was such a huge event in recent history) consider it Sacred Ground.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I've heard many people say this...and I think it is just people being ignorant of what sacred means.

The fact that the Muslim Community Center isn't even ON GROUND ZERO...is another misconception that is being spun by the media.

The "Ground Zero Mosque" is neither on "ground zero" nor a "mosque".

So GOOD JOB ATSers...way to buy into the spin of the media.


Good point. I turn the news off (if on at all) when this story comes up.
It's just none of my business and now it has become part of the political
game. When the leaders see people so invested in something like this,
they have no choice but to use it for their advantage. Kind of a sick game.
Especially with some elections coming up. Turn off the news and live a little.
It's ok not to care bout this. Plant a tree, mend broken fences with your
neighbors. You only live once (or so they say).



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 08:01 AM
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The notion of hallowing ground forever tends to be illogical. But doing so for a period of time - which may last a very long time - does serve a purpose.

My uncle served on the USS Arizona just prior to Pearl Harbor. Right up until his death, a few years back, he made semi-annual pilgrimages to Hawaii to see the memorial and to pay respects to his fallen friends. This was cathartic and necessary for him.

Now apply that to the countless number of people who lost loved ones on 9/11. That ground needs to stay hallowed, protected, and enshrined for their benefit... so that they have a place to mourn and remember. Not just out of respect for the fallen - which is enough of a reason on its own to revere that place - but also in respect to those who have lost and are still with us.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 08:05 AM
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Eh. "Sacred" or "hallowed" it doesnt mean anything in the long run.

A casino at Gettysburg doesnt mean anything either.

How long can a corpse stay in the ground before somebody digs it up?

Even Arlington cemetery will eventually become something else with all of those "heroes" either paved over or dug up and tossed somewhere else.

Time is not static.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 08:07 AM
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What makes it sacred?
Not a damn thing but it being labeled with that title.
If it's anything, it's a landmark of intelligence failure, response failure, and a trophy to the real idiots who designed and carried out the event.
It's a gateway and launch site to war and fear and mass mind control over an entire nation.
Is it sad that people died there? Yes
But what's even more sad and disgusting is the FACT that hours after the event our president at the time stood there and told a shocked nation to
GO SHOPPING!


[edit on 20-8-2010 by HappilyEverAfter]



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 08:21 AM
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Thank you for all the replies and views on this topic, delivered in a civil matter.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Even though no either Supernatural, Paranormal or Psychic event occured there it is a defacto Holy Site in The USA as 3,122 souls perished there. Some see it as a gateway into the afterlife some see it as wasted space, some see it as hallowed ground.

Being from this region and having it sit 3 miles from me us locally refer to it as a very special place where a very traumatic event occured.

To the Families of those lost it is sacred. Like how some see Pearl Harbor, The Nazi Concentration Camps today.

The United States Federal Government made a promise with this region in 2001 to hunt down, track down and bring each and everyone involved with the act to justice and that promise still remains. Just because 43's out and Obama's in don't mean jack. 43's promise on 09.14.01 still stands.

At least 400 - 600 killed that aweful day were honest, decent, law abiding and practicing Muslims so do they not matter. More Arab Muslims lost thier life at The WTC then in every suicide attack of the last say, decade plus. If I'm not mistaken it still holds the unfortunate record of The Largest Numbers of any Holy Faith killed in a single event in roughtly 60 years. A lot of Christian, Catholics died at Pearl. No single attack in Iraq since 03 and Afghanistan since 01 has killed more Muslims.

The point I'm trying to make is that since The WTC housed many people from many faiths and backgrounds that war was declared on all by a shadowy figure that still to this day remains nameless. That is why 9/11 happened. Not for oil, permanent war, national infighting, scared populous, not for a single one of them but for control and to reiteraite control over an unwilling populous.

I beleive it is written in the Holy Qua'ran that you are forbidden to shed the blood of the innocent so using this rule No terrorist is blessed with 72 virgins but is met with 72 lashes a second for the rest of time. There is no mention of the "72 virgin" myth as that's proganda from the groups promoting the radicalization of the faith and those who wish to use violence as a means to leverage. The radical terror sect unauthoritively redefined the phrase to promise someone virgins. Who kills people and gets rewarded with an orgy? Sounds like Islam's version of Christianity's Satanism.

The 9/11 Families Commission has already voted in favour of it and the way I see it if the families take offense to it then I say no go, but if they are for it my back traditionally rests with them. But, make no mistake, I am not in lock step with them on everything, on this I agreed with them because a few members of the broader Commission (numbers are somewhere north of 10,000 people and have enough power to stop the entire construction process cold and PA NY/NJ, Silverstien and Childs can't say or do a thing about it while being fully backed Governmentally by The States of NY, NJ, Connecticuit and The United States Federal Government) are Arab Muslims so in that case exceptions can and must be made.


[edit on 20-8-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 09:17 AM
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What makes it sacred, hallowed, meaningful or whatever adjective you want to use is a lot of people died. Just like the USS Arizona, Oklahoma City or any number of other places around the world where a lot of people died. We as humans feel the need to mark these places to remember what happened and hopefully keep it from happening again.
Like it or not, it is what we do. I happen to like it but some don't and that is OK with me. Every issue has multiple sides and multiple opinions that some agree with and some don't.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 09:21 AM
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in my mind it's a crime scene and those who facilitated and profited from it made a clean get away- larry silverstien the owner, marvin bush head of security,
and the bush/cheney/ bin lauden crime syndicate.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 09:23 AM
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Great question. Or hallowed ground...another emotional hot button.

To some it's sacred because their loved ones died there. But to others, it's so "sacred" that a JP Morgan Chase and other commercial buildings are going to be built back on it after NYC bickered over what to "do" with the land all these years. The cost of real estate trumps sacredness in this country every day.

Contrast this with the memorial they're building in Shanksville...70 times as many people died at ground zero, yet the government is buying over 2000 acres for over $9M and investing even more to build the memorial park. Way out of proportion.



[edit on 8/20/2010 by ~Lucidity]



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 09:48 AM
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I recently listened to a few podcasts which discussed 9/11 and a variety of other topics. One interesting thing that came up numerous times was how the evil elite folks of this world may have been involved with 9/11, and that the event was, for them, among other things, a religious ritual. So with that in mind, to call that site sacred does not seem surprising to me. But rather than stating that evil sacred nature, the media brains and thinkers with their talking points and round table discussions have obviously connected a sacred aspect to something that is easier for the unthinking person to accept.

I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it. But as I have been observing this chatter of a mosque and the site itself, that whole secret ritual thing keeps coming to mind.

I'll also add one more thought. We need to remember that NOTHING is done by the government, media, and the men and women behind the curtain without a self-serving reason. What better way to add fuel to the fire of injury from 9/11 than by building a place of religious worship for those people who have been (by the media and government) assigned blame for bringing the towers down and killing thousands in the first place? It's like they are asking for that location to be a hot spot for religious conflict and possibly violence. That's the most obvious reason I can think of to build a mosque on that minute piece of land rather than somewhere else.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 09:57 AM
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Ground Zero is a place of significance to many people for many reasons.

Ground Two (as I like to call it, since it's two blocks away from Ground Zero) is just a piece of real estate.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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we're hearing about this now because the powers that be and the media want to shake people up again... it's all propaganda.. get the people all relied up incase we have to go invade another middle eastern country like Iran.

I'm from NY.. there is already a Mosque 5 blocks away from ground zero. it was there before the WTC was built... they want to put the new one about 3 blocks away. There are about 80 other Mosques in the 5 burros.

I find it interesting how this turned into a national debate. Even Obama is getting s*** for his comments. It first hit the local news here about a month ot two ago...now it's everywhere. People in other states are boycotting Mosques and protesting the new one in the city.

To all of those people - mind your own business. You're not from NY.. you weren't here when the towers went down.. you don't know any people that were in the buildings or any fireman that lost their lives that day. If New Yorkers want a Mosque there, then we'll put a mosque there... that's right, I said NEW YORKERS.. what you people probably don't realize is that there are about 800,000 Muslims in NY. They get a say in what happens in the city, not you. Even Mayor Bloomberg supports it. So don't listen to reports that say 70% of NYers don't want a Mosque there. Worry about your own state and get your nose out of our business.

and of course... most of us here on ATS know that the towers were allowed to fall... but even if the official story is true... even if a couple of crazy did what they did.. we still should hate Muslims as a whole and they still have the right to be here and practice their religion.



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 10:16 AM
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While the side is not by any means "sacred to me" the meaning can no be the same to somebody else that lost family members in 9/11.

Still our own government pursued the 9/11 as a propaganda means to create a sense of patriotic duty to wag two wars against Islamic extremist and those that where not when invaded two middle eastern countries in the name of fighting "terrorism".

Now it wants Americans the same people it sold the war against Islam to be tolerance.

Sorry, but even when I don't practice Religion and do not follow organized religion see this very full of hypocrisy.

And American people have the right to show anger at the thought of such moronic Idea.

It was our own government that created the "sacred" out of the 9/11 site




[edit on 20-8-2010 by marg6043]



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 10:19 AM
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Regardless if it's on the DIRECT site of the attack, or the next block over, Ground Zero is Ground Zero. It is not determined just based where the towers stood. People didn't just die where the towers were. To say a few feet from the Towers is "not ground zero" is insulting to those who died there.

How many years have they been fighting over what to put on the *sites*? How many different plans have they gone through? But someone wants to build a religious center there, lets see how fast they approve it. Next we are going to see a Wal-Mart go up on the other side of the block.

If we are going to talk about spin, the "cultural center" is being used to cover up one thing: It's a Mosque. You can construe it all you like, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like one, then its probably a duck.

The pure neglect the site has gotten is astounding. And RE to the other post: They are not going to just dig up Arlington and move it, or pave it and put up a parking lot. Nor would they do it with Gettysburg. Those are 'historical' sites. And so is "Ground Zero." They can find a place for fallen soldiers, presidential libraries for presidents that do not deserve one, but god forbid they do anything with Ground Zero...oh wait they did. they built a mosque.

[edit on 20-8-2010 by DragonFire1024]



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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DragonFire1024 - first of all, they didn't build a mosque yet.

How often do you visit New York? Have you been to ground zero? Do you know the city?

The site that was purchased to build the mosque is an old Burlington coat factory. What does that have to do with the WTC?

45 Park Place
New York, NY 10007-2404

That's the address... go look at Google maps... you can see it... see how close it is.. Go look at the street view feature on Google.. tell me if you see anything that looks like memorial or whatever you think it as "ground zero". No you'll see an AT&T store and a bunch of other buildings.

Is close to the WTC site? Yeh, I guess... but then anything, you could consider anything on the south side of Manhattan "close to ground zero". Wall street is close to ground zero.

What should we do.. draw a line at China town and say no Mosques South of here? Would that work for everyone? Is that still to close? What about 34th street? Should we make the line there?



posted on Aug, 20 2010 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Wolf Eyes
DragonFire1024 - first of all, they didn't build a mosque yet.

How often do you visit New York? Have you been to ground zero? Do you know the city?

The site that was purchased to build the mosque is an old Burlington coat factory. What does that have to do with the WTC?

45 Park Place
New York, NY 10007-2404

That's the address... go look at Google maps... you can see it... see how close it is.. Go look at the street view feature on Google.. tell me if you see anything that looks like memorial or whatever you think it as "ground zero". No you'll see an AT&T store and a bunch of other buildings.

Is close to the WTC site? Yeh, I guess... but then anything, you could consider anything on the south side of Manhattan "close to ground zero". Wall street is close to ground zero.

What should we do.. draw a line at China town and say no Mosques South of here? Would that work for everyone? Is that still to close? What about 34th street? Should we make the line there?


I visit NYC about 1 to 2 times a year, and have been there more than that when I worked there. I have been to Ground Zero. I even stood atop the tower just months before the attack on them. And no I do not know NYC "well." But as I said before: The WTC, is NOT the only spot that is "Ground Zero." The land around it, the site itself. I mean have Americans forgotten it already? Do they not care enough anymore?

And don't make me sound like a bigot. They can build a mosque, but why right there? I may dislike some religions, but I am not going to denounce them. Out of the thousands + other places they could build one in NYC they just had to pick THAT spot. Gettysburg was not that vast of an area, but they didn't draw lines at the front line. The whole city and area is a National Monument and landmark. The same area and the WTC itself should be treated in the same respects. In this case, it's not.

I am sure most ATS members will agree that if we had our way, Wall Street would not exist period. That is another story.

[edit on 20-8-2010 by DragonFire1024]



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