So... the problem isn't freedom at all!
It's human nature!
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reply posted on 19-8-2010 @ 02:54 PM by General.Lee
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You are spot on, and I think the reasons are relatively clear. In my opinion, the "line" has been moved lower and lower. It is caused, in large part, by moral relativism, acceptance of "unacceptable" behavior, political correctness, corruption, lack of accountability, a society of enablers and the list goes on and on.
There is complete lack of conscience in todays society and in my opinion it is in direct proportion to the level of atheism. I don't wish to turn this into a religious debate and will not engage in such, but I would argue if people tried to live as Christ-like as possible, we would not need laws. Whether you believe in Christ or not isn't the issue. The issue is, does the "image" of Christ represent all that is good, and loving and caring and honest? Absolutely, it does! Unfortunately, and sadly, too many in todays society reject Jesus Christ. When you reject Christ, by default you accepting something that is far less "good".
We used to be told to let our conscience be our guide, but now we are taught that guilt is a wasted emotion and we have no reason to feel guilty. If we enjoy something and it feels good, then DO IT, in complete contradiction to our conscience.
It is a sad state of affairs but I don't think anybody can argue that American society has degraded severely over the last several decades.
You are spot on, and I think the reasons are relatively clear. In my opinion, the "line" has been moved lower and lower. It is caused, in large part, by moral relativism, acceptance of "unacceptable" behavior, political correctness, corruption, lack of accountability, a society of enablers and the list goes on and on.
There is complete lack of conscience in todays society and in my opinion it is in direct proportion to the level of atheism. I don't wish to turn this into a religious debate and will not engage in such, but I would argue if people tried to live as Christ-like as possible, we would not need laws. Whether you believe in Christ or not isn't the issue. The issue is, does the "image" of Christ represent all that is good, and loving and caring and honest? Absolutely, it does! Unfortunately, and sadly, too many in todays society reject Jesus Christ. When you reject Christ, by default you accepting something that is far less "good".
We used to be told to let our conscience be our guide, but now we are taught that guilt is a wasted emotion and we have no reason to feel guilty. If we enjoy something and it feels good, then DO IT, in complete contradiction to our conscience.
It is a sad state of affairs but I don't think anybody can argue that American society has degraded severely over the last several decades.
reply posted on 19-8-2010 @ 08:01 PM by baked
reply to post by casualtorment
I'm talking about the decision to leave in the first place. Before the pilgrims came here. Not after the colonies were created.
I'm talking about the decision to leave in the first place. Before the pilgrims came here. Not after the colonies were created.
reply posted on 19-8-2010 @ 08:05 PM by Hefficide
reply to post by baked
Just to point out - The Pilgrims were Quakers and came to the new world not because they were dealing with intolerance but because they felt that the society around them was too tolerant.
*edited to add missed word*
[edit on 8/19/10 by Hefficide]
Just to point out - The Pilgrims were Quakers and came to the new world not because they were dealing with intolerance but because they felt that the society around them was too tolerant.
*edited to add missed word*
[edit on 8/19/10 by Hefficide]
reply posted on 22-8-2010 @ 04:36 AM by operation mindcrime
reply to post by baked
where does morality come from? From society’s customs? From God’s commandments? From the cold, impersonal commandments of pure reason? Or from human emotions and sentiments?
Well that's problem you are going to get when you let people make up their own mind on what morality is. As bad as religion might be, at least it keeps it's sheep in line on the issue of morality.
No we turn to legislation because the definition "moral" is not the same for everybody under a secular thinking society.
If the laws are becoming to much it is merely an indication that society is not "grown up enough" to handle this freedom.
Maybe we actually need a mystical institute to tell us how we should and how we shouldn't live.....
Peace
We live in a society that is based on rights. But is there a line that can't be crossed?
Years ago, I would have said "Yes", but year after year, the moral fabric or our society fades away into the shadows. What do we have when morality is non-existent? Anarchy?
where does morality come from? From society’s customs? From God’s commandments? From the cold, impersonal commandments of pure reason? Or from human emotions and sentiments?
My point is that America started as a society to rebel against the fascism in England. Hundreds of years later, we have become so "Free" that we have lost all hope for structure.
Well that's problem you are going to get when you let people make up their own mind on what morality is. As bad as religion might be, at least it keeps it's sheep in line on the issue of morality.
To combat this, we turn to legislation. In the panic of the anarchy that "Freedom" has caused, we outlaw those very rights we swore to protect/
The rights that set us apart from fascism.
Look at us now. We have become the very thing we once fled from.
Back to where we started. All that work for nothing.
No we turn to legislation because the definition "moral" is not the same for everybody under a secular thinking society.
If the laws are becoming to much it is merely an indication that society is not "grown up enough" to handle this freedom.
Maybe we actually need a mystical institute to tell us how we should and how we shouldn't live.....
Peace
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