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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by hawkiye
Obviously voting is not working
Oh I see, so we should all vote for conservatives and that would make everything ok?
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by hawkiye
Obviously voting is not working
Oh I see, so we should all vote for conservatives and that would make everything ok?
I see, votes don't work if people don't vote the way YOU want them to vote? Is that right? If people choose their own representatives instead of the representatives that you want it's rife with corruption. and so therefore the only thing left is civil war because people didn't choose the people YOU want in government.
I think they call your idea tyranny. You know, "Vote my way or die!"?
Obama ran on bringing the troops home and has now expanded both wars and sent more troops.
So what is your solution? Or do you just want to play left vs. right games and not have meaningful discussion?
And you should stop repeating media BS. Yep the last of the combat troops are coming home gee whose going to occupy those 50 US bases we are building over their? Can I interest you in some prime Everglades land in Florida? I guess if it got on dat der TV it must be true... Sigh! I guess its about time to put you on ignore since I don't have time for complete idiots... Bigger Sigh!
Obama ran on bringing the troops home and has now expanded both wars and sent more troops.
Originally posted by whatukno
Oh I see, so we should all vote for conservatives and that would make everything ok?
I see, votes don't work if people don't vote the way YOU want them to vote? Is that right? If people choose their own representatives instead of the representatives that you want it's rife with corruption. and so therefore the only thing left is civil war because people didn't choose the people YOU want in government.
I think they call your idea tyranny. You know, "Vote my way or die!"
The federal government refuses to uphold its own immigration laws, and states along the southern border have repeatedly asked over the decades for assistance in dealing with armed drug cartels and even uniformed mexican military operations within our borders. Nothing has been done.
Getting rid of the current government is only a tiny portion of the problem, and the easiest thing to accomplish. The hardest thing to do will be to get everyone to try and agree on a new Constitution and structure of government. Until you can do that, you're looking at the French Revolution all over again, with people being killed for the sake of being killed.
That's why it's not likely you will see that kind of 'revolt' - the people capable of making it happen realize it would be a hollow accomplishment.
I see two nations coming out of this, honestly - one a socialist state, and the other a free market. The differences of opinion are so deeply rooted that I don't see another option being practical or stable. Those for a free market will never be happy in a socialist state. Those for a socialist state are retarded, but would never be happy until they had a country of their own to run into the ground.
I would like to point out that the statement that "combat troops are all gone from Iraq" is erroneous.
The group in question calls itself the "Hutaree"; its website says the term translates as "Christian warrior." And in keeping with that name, the material it has posted online reflects an outlook of violent religious confrontation. The Hutaree believe that acts of violence can bring about the final judgment prophesied in the Christian Bible — and therefore have been arming themselves to go to war with the Antichrist, "evil Jews," and Muslims. They have documented their training exercises in a series of YouTube videos. And they spell out the theological rationale for their actions on the "About Us" page on their website:
If that fails.....?
The consent of the governed is expressly given when each of us vote
It's still my contention that these Militias as they stand now aren't what the framers of the Constitution had in mind. I don't think that when they wrote Article 1 Section 8 that the very Militias they wanted for the protection of this nation would be bastardized and these people would train to kill Americans.
Because that is exactly what these Militias are doing, they are training to kill Americans. Say what you want about how the government is run, you may in fact be right about a great deal of it, but the fact remains that the people that work for the government, the people that work as police officers, as IRS auditors, as everything that makes up that government, are Americans, which makes those that are training to kill those Americans automatically domestic enemies.
The truth is, the government is a concept, just like America is a concept. It is my opinion that these Militias have no intention of attacking the government but the people that work in that government and those people are Americans.
That's why I have said that these people should just go ahead and join up with Al Quada because in the end they both have the same goal, the complete destruction of the United States, and to make sure to rack up as large of a body count as possible while they do it.
These people are the extreme end of the right wing spectrum. Not much different than the Taliban or Al Quada, different god, same goal.
It's still my contention that these Militias as they stand now aren't what the framers of the Constitution had in mind. I don't think that when they wrote Article 1 Section 8 that the very Militias they wanted for the protection of this nation would be bastardized and these people would train to kill Americans.
Originally posted by Gainsayer
Of course the troops there have 'combat capabilities'. It's the military, what do you think a military is formed for? Planting flowers? This issue is that there are no longer combat operations in effect in Iraq, thus the only remaining 'combat specific' troops there are still advising the Iraqi military and police (which still desperately need our training).
Originally posted by Gainsayer
reply to post by hawkiye
You're the one stating obvious drivel about "troops having combat capabilities". obviously
It's the mission of those troops that is key, and that mission is no longer combat operations.
Jumpstart a democracy in the middle east, and strategic placement of US military assets to stem any tide of Islamic fundamentalism from unifying the region. It's pretty obvious.