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Richard F. Humenn, PE was the Senior Project Design Engineer for electrical systems for the entire World Trade Center, and he had 60 people working under him. In other words, he was the guy in charge of all electrical at the WTC. A retired licensed professional engineer, he was certified by the States of New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Washington, D.C.
Humenn stated to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:
On September 11, I watched the live TV broadcast of the progressive collapse of the World Trade Towers with disbelief, as the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel.
I viewed the presentation of Richard Gage and other related material, which compels me to believe that the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down. I, therefore, support the proposal to form an international group of professionals to investigate all plausible causes for the virtual freefall and the almost total destruction of the WTC structures.
Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by Alfie1
it was abandoned PRIOR to the attack...
like the aswego message theat kept a huge amount of people from showing up at all that day at WTC
If you don't see that as highly suspect....
Originally posted by Nutter
Originally posted by Gorman91
not to mention the walls and flame are sufficient enough to create thermite naturally.
Add to this a shredded/powderized aluminum plane and I think you have something here.
I present evidence 1 of aluminum and gypsum (wallboard) producing an alumino-thermitic reaction.
Evidence number 2 is how the whole thing could have started (Imagine a 110-story tower made of aluminum panels on rusted steel columns falling down or being struck by a plane)
But, for some reason when I present this evidence, "debunkers" and "truthers" alike just want to argue.
[edit on 20-8-2010 by Nutter]
NIST NCSTAR 1 Draft:
The towers would not have collapsed under the combined effects of aircraft impact and the subsequent multi-floor fires if the insulation had not been widely dislodged or had been only minimally dislodged by aircraft impact.
I was actually replying to Nutter in the context of his post, as he is actually putting forward an idea for some kind of thermite reaction occurring naturally. But then, he is talking about the towers, not WT7 or what? If what you say would be the actual scenario, as regards the towers and is the also the "official" theory then what I say must also be true, that a 707 would have brought down the towers. As far as I know, "Withstanding impact" AND also eventual destruction caused by the same entity is not mentioned in the planning and building of the towers.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by smurfy
You would not need dust. And fyi, when metal rubs on metal, you do get dust. That's how a file works. But you don't need dust. You need heat and a good surface area.
Have any of you ever been in building 7? It was differently constructed than the twins.
When one of the support pillars from the twins hit #7 there was a 20 story hole in the building.
No onto the eutectic mixture. Did it form before or after the collapsed? We don't know. Did environmental pollutants cause the reaction? Could pouring water on the burning building produce sulfuric acid or hydrogen sulfide and start the eutectic process as the steel heats up? Sure it can.
Where did the suphur come from? The contents of the building? Drywall, burning rubber and plastics. Ocean salts like sodium sulfate? Which happens to be a catalyst of sulfidation reactions?
A thermodynamiclly controlled test while heating the steal and introducing these substances is needed for absolue proof.
Something the video supplied isn't. It's backyard, uncontrolled garbage. He didn't duplicate the conditions. He didn't have his experiment witnessed. It has no credibility. Once you discount the useless video, there is no proof of anything.
There are numerous explanations for its appearance, reasonable explanations that don't involve thermate.
It would make some people so happy to believe the US murdered 3000 innocent people at the WTC. That in itself is sad.
What's worse is they are willing to believe an experiment which has no scientiffic value. How on earth do you even know that he actually did what he claimed? A weeks worth of film condensed into a few minutes.... And even if he aired the weeks worth of video uncut his materials were not verified. And were not in the same condition as the WTC bldg 7.
If you want to claim thermate was used then you'd better have real proof. Not this garbage
And to the micronuke crowd. Where are the EMP phenomenon?
Some of you want so badly to prove the government did this that you ignore common sense and basic science.
what is real sad is that your unconditional support for your government is all the proof YOU need and clouds every aspect of your reasoning
This from peoplw who've probably never used thermite in they're entire lives!. If you had used "enough" thermite to bring down a building that larger it would STILL be burning!