Christian terrorism.

reply to post by Parallex


Don't forget to place a link here to your thread.

There are terrorists and fanatics of every religion.

There are also atheist terrorists; religion is not the only cause of violence.

There's no doubt that Christianity and other Abrahamic religions have bloodshed in their pasts. So do Hinduism and Buddhism.

Religion is usually just an excuse for conquest and murder. It's not necessarily the real cause, which more often than not has more mundane objectives.

Originally posted by tamusan
reply to post by Trueman

 

How about Army of God, Christian Identity, Christian Patriot or Concerned Chrisitans just to name a few. Or how about the Ku Klux Klan.

No, not all Christians support or advocate terror, but there are plenty of terror groups which lay claim to Christianity. Just like there are plenty of terror groups that follow Islam, but not all muslims condone terrorism.

Of course they are free to call themselves christians, those are just mentally ill people.

IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE A REAL CHRISTIAN AND TERRORIST AT THE SAME TIME. THOSE ARE TWO OPPOSITE CONCEPTS.

Example: Let say someone organize an extremist group and call it "The Vegetarian Army". What would you think?

Mossad Motto, 'By way of deception thou shalt do war.'

List of Israeli Mossad Agents

1. Abu Muhammad and Abu Ihab
Using counterfeit Canadian documents to collect intelligence used to assassinate a Palestinian militant leader.

2. Urie Zoshe Kelman, Eli Cara and Zev William Barkan
Attempt to obtain a New Zealand passport and participating in an organised crime group to obtain a false passport.
The acting Israeli Ambassador, Orna Sagiv, refused to comment.

3. Naor Gilon, chief of political affairs at the Israeli Embassy in Washington
Alleged Israeli espionage against the United States and the possibility a pro-Israel lobby group was involved in passing classified U.S data to Tel Aviv

4. Yehuda Gil
A retired spymaster who taught the craft of lying to a generation of agents has confessed to lying about Syria's readiness for war

5. Salvador Guersson Smecke and Saur Ben Zvi
Arrested With Guns and Explosives Inside the Mexican Congress.
To mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden.

6. The Hit Squad
11-Person Team Used Disguises, Fake European Passports in Plot To Kill Top Hamas Leader
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7. Israeli Terrorist
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Palestinian terrorists, courtesy of The Mossad. The Israeli secret service should teach its operatives to take off their jewellery first: e.g. the Star of David necklace. Notice too the white skin and designer-brand sunglasses -- worn, perhaps, to conceal blue eyes -- and the brand new M-16, paid for by generous U.S. taxpayers, as a U.S. correspondent assures us. A real Palestinian terrorist carries an aged AK-47 (Photo: Reuters.)

8. "The dancing Israelis," Sivan and Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.
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"They were like happy, you know ? they didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange,"

"The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

"The FBI came to the conclusion at the end of its investigation that the five Israelis arrested in New Jersey last September were conducting a Mossad surveillance mission and that their employer, Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, N.J., served as a front," Forward reported on March 15.

They're arrested at gunpoint.

Mossad Exposed In Phony 'Palestinian Al Qaeda' Caper


Former Mossad case officer Victor Ostrovsky told ABC public radio that Mossad had a "very, very expensive research department" dedicated to manufacturing the fake documents which simulates different types of paper and ink.

List of Israeli assassinations

Precaution:
A warning from former President Bush, “Let us never tolerate
outrageous conspiracy theories” aired on national television after the
attacks of 9/11 and right before the Patriot Act was forced down Congress.

When called to testify before the commission he and Cheney agree to testify, under several conditions:
-They would be allowed to testify jointly;
-They would not be required to take an oath before testifying;
-The testimony would not be recorded electronically or transcribed, and -that the only record would be notes taken by one of the commission staffers;
-These notes would not be made public.


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The 9/11 Commission Primer by the Center for American Progress reminds its readers of the administration's attempts to obstruct and discredit the work of the Commission, and abdicate responsibility for protecting our country.

• Obstructing the Investigation
• Stonewalling the Commission
• Attacking the Commission and Its Members
• Abdicating Responsibility

While President Bush hailed the work of the Commission as "important for future administrations," his administration did everything it could to block and impede and the Commission from conducting its vital work. Not only did the White House oppose formation of the Commission, but resisted providing the Commission with the time and resources it needed to carry out its work.

www.americanprogress.org...


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War on Terrorism

Suicide Attack History

The Bible Book of Judges recounts the story of the Jewish hero Samson and how he killed himself by bringing down the temple of the Philistines in order to kill three thousand Philistines.
In the late 17th century, Qing official Yu Yonghe recorded that injured Dutch soldiers fighting against Koxinga's forces for control of Taiwan in 1661 would use gunpowder to blow up both themselves and their opponents rather than be taken prisoner.[1] However, the Chinese observer may have well confused such suicidal tactics with the standard Dutch military practice of undermining and blowing up positions recently overrun by the enemy which almost cost Koxinga his life during the siege.[2]
During the Belgian Revolution, Dutch Lieutenant Jan van Speijk detonated his own ship in the harbour of Antwerp to prevent being captured by the Belgians.
Another example was the Prussian soldier Karl Klinke on 18 April 1864 at the Battle of Dybbøl, who died blowing a hole in a Danish fortification.

Religious Terrorism

Robert Pape compiled the first complete database of every documented suicide bombing from 1980-2003. He argues that the news reports about suicide attacks are profoundly misleading — "There is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world's religions". After studying 315 suicide attacks carried out over the last two decades, he concludes that suicide bombers' actions stem from political conflict, not religion.[6]

Michael A. Sheehan stated in 2000, "A number of terrorist groups have portrayed their causes in religious and cultural terms. This is often a transparent tactic designed to conceal political goals, generate popular support and silence opposition."[7]

Criticism of War on Terrorism

After adoption of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, any non-American national, anywhere on earth, can be designated "enemy combatant."The Bush administration's position is that unlawful combatants have no rights under the Geneva Conventions and therefore can be sent anywhere without trial or charges.

The remark, "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror," by U.S. President Bush in November 2001

One analysis is that the United States intends "to establish a new political framework within which [it] will exert hegemonic control".[22] Many people say the United States seeks to do this by controlling access to oil or oil pipelines.

Some critics claim that the war on terror is truly a war on Islam itself. Ex-United States Attorney General Ramsey Clark has described the war on terror as a war against Islam.[26]

Obama Challenges Terrorism Critics

Conclusion :

The threat of an Al Qaeda "Attack on America" is being used profusely by the Bush administration to galvanize public opinion in support of a global military agenda.

Known and documented, the "Islamic terror network" is a creation of the US intelligence apparatus. There is firm evidence that several of the terrorist "mass casualty events" which have resulted in civilian casualties were triggered by the military and/or intelligence services. Similarly, corroborated by evidence, several of the terror alerts were based on fake intelligence as revealed in the London 2006 foiled "liquid bomb attack", where the alleged hijackers had not purchased airline tickets and several did not have passports to board the aircraft.

The "war on terrorism" is bogus. The 911 narrative as conveyed by the 911 Commission report is fabricated. The Bush administration is involved in acts of cover-up and complicity at the highest levels of government.

Revealing the lies behind 911 would serve to undermine the legitimacy of the "war on terrorism".

Revealing the lies behind 911 should be part of a consistent antiwar movement.

Without 911, the war criminals in high office do not have a leg to stand on. The entire American national security construct collapses like a deck of cards.

Open your eyes ATS-er. Stop the bickering hate. The world could be a better place if we fulfill our responsibility and role as ATS member. "Deny Ignorance."





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reply to post by Trueman


Hi.

Of course they are free to call themselves christians, those are just mentally ill people.

IS IMPOSSIBLE TO BE A REAL CHRISTIAN AND TERRORIST AT THE SAME TIME. THOSE ARE TWO OPPOSITE CONCEPTS.

Could you possibly tell that to those so called phony Christians. That they are not really Christians. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. Unfortunately there are people that just don't care...

I've also heard exactly the same statement from Muslims by the way. About Muslim terrorists of course.

I just read a new thread and it shows what I'm trying to tell you.
Please read it. Especially those who are interested in this topic and even more for those that did not understand my intentions.

Commanding General Promoting Christian Army

Kind regards

~ Sinter

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
Hi ATS.

Being bombarded with terrorism the last decade or so... It looks like there are only Muslim terrorists around. The mainstream media has done a great job, covering Muslim terrorism. They succeeded to make the majority of the western world to think Islam is the biggest threat they can think of.

DISCLAIMER :
1. This is not a thread to bash Christianity.
...

Just saying to look behind you once in a while.

In my opinion, both Islam and Christianity have always been home to a radical center. The difference is that this usually only effected the region these terrorist groups were home to.

Islamic fundamentalism became a global threat because of the continuous involvement of foreign control, which is mainly the US for the last 50 years.

Can you really blame them ? What would you do when you learn that others have messed with yours and other countries and even start wars, killing innocents and so on...

I can understand why they became terrorists. By all means don't think I think it's OK !

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[edit on 8/18/2010 by Sinter Klaas]

Well, I think you failed on that disclaimer, at least in my opinion.

One, or even a FEW, anti-abortion people that commit a violent crime are NOT an indicator of "Christian violence", first off. Not even CLOSE. Far and away the vast majority of pro-life people are quite peaceful.

Second, a post on an atheist site bashing Baptists, with not so much as a link to an actual news story, is not proof of some church supposedly issuing bomb threats. I happen to be Baptist, and have attended many Baptist churches, and have never, not once in decades, heard anyone condone such things. Not once.

Third, Christianity does not have, as you put it, a "radical center". Christianity is NOTHING like Islam. Nothing. As for why Muslims become terrorists; please, wake up. Since the start of that movement, they have been violent. Read some history. The Crusades were, in FACT, a move to take BACK what Islamic invaders had stolen. Their violence is not limited to the last 50 years, and has zero to do with the United States. Attacks on buses, schools, embassies, nightclubs, ships, subways, most of which were not even directed at the United States, are supposed to be our fault? Really? Muslims wiping out entire villages in the East is our fault?

You seem to have an unsteady grasp on the facts.

Christian organizations are not terrorist in nature, or even violent. Concerned Christians is a group aimed at witnessing to Mormons. Nothing violent, just witnessing. The KKK isn't exactly active, and wasn't started as a Christian group to begin with. In fact, I can't think of any Christian group that would promote, or even condone, violence. Happen to get info from several, too.

Please, no one call that Westboro bunch Christian. They are not Christian, and NOT Baptist. Not even close. All they are is a family group, with a decidedly bent way of looking at things. No real Christian approves of what those clowns do.

When you show some large Christian organization that is strapping on bombs or flying planes into buildings, let me know. Until then, this is nothing but a rant.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
One, or even a FEW, anti-abortion people that commit a violent crime are NOT an indicator of "Christian violence", first off. Not even CLOSE. Far and away the vast majority of pro-life people are quite peaceful.

Anti-abortion is not the only violent crimes committed.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Second, a post on an atheist site bashing Baptists, with not so much as a link to an actual news story, is not proof of some church supposedly issuing bomb threats. I happen to be Baptist, and have attended many Baptist churches, and have never, not once in decades, heard anyone condone such things. Not once.

Because there is no more Pope Urban II and his crusaders? Because Baptist and various churches does not share "killing the infidels" crusade propaganda by the Roman Catholics. Wait there was NO Baptist in 1095 AD.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Third, Christianity does not have, as you put it, a "radical center". Christianity is NOTHING like Islam. Nothing.

How would there be any if Christianity itself is broken into several divisions? How do you propose universal agreement between, Roman Catholic, Anglican, Protestant, Orthodox and others to wage war against the 'infidels' in a "radical center"?

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
As for why Muslims become terrorists; please, wake up. Since the start of that movement, they have been violent. Read some history. The Crusades were, in FACT, a move to take BACK what Islamic invaders had stolen.

Wrong. Jerusalem was Muslim land before the first crusade. Even Pope Urban II acknowledge this

Jerusalem is groaning under the Saracen yoke. The Holy Sepulchre is in Moslem hands and has been turned into a mosque. Pilgrims are harassed and even prevented from access to the Holy Land.

crusades.boisestate.edu...

The Muslim never stole Jerusalem. The Christians young knights had no lands on their own and were fighting among themselves. The Franks were motivated by the church promise of wealth and sin remission.

The West must march to the defense of the East. All should go, rich and poor alike. The Franks must stop their internal wars and squabbles. Let them go instead against the infidel and fight a righteous war.
God himself would lead them, for they would be doing His work. There will be absolution and remission of sins for all who die in the service of Christ. Here they are poor and miserable sinners; there they will be rich and happy. Let none hesitate; they must march next summer. God wills it!

The Christian church never condone, huh?

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Their violence is not limited to the last 50 years, and has zero to do with the United States. Attacks on buses, schools, embassies, nightclubs, ships, subways, most of which were not even directed at the United States, are supposed to be our fault? Really? Muslims wiping out entire villages in the East is our fault?

You are right it has zero to do with the United States except that Middle East is rich with oils and George W Bush and the "torturer" Dick Cheney hunger for it.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
You seem to have an unsteady grasp on the facts.

The Fact is you seem to have an unsteady grasp of the lies your government has planted in you. Good for you because George W Bush and Dick Cheney slipped the impeachment and laughing happily.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Christian organizations are not terrorist in nature, or even violent. Concerned Christians is a group aimed at witnessing to Mormons. Nothing violent, just witnessing. The KKK isn't exactly active, and wasn't started as a Christian group to begin with. In fact, I can't think of any Christian group that would promote, or even condone, violence. Happen to get info from several, too.

So there never been witch hunting before? Never been thousands of women were burned at stakes for witch craft? Never been excommunication to those who defy churches? Never been the bombing of 16th Street Baptist Church? Perhaps you should this article instead:

Pagan religion was first prohibited wholesale in 392 by emperor Theodosius. Heavy financial penalities were enacted, but it was not initially very effective. In Theodosius' code it was written:

We command that those persons who follow this rule shall embrace the name of Catholic Christians. The rest, however, whom We adjudge demented and insane, shall sustain the infamy of heretical dogmas, their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches, and they shall be smitten first by divine vengeance and secondly by the retributions of Our own initiative, which We shall assume in accordance with the divine judgment.

And later, with regards to Pagan buildings:

We command that all their fanes, temples, and shrines, if even now any remain entire, shall be destroyed by the command of the magistrates, and shall be purified by the erection of th sign of the venerable Christian religion.

atheism.about.com...

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Please, no one call that Westboro bunch Christian. They are not Christian, and NOT Baptist. Not even close. All they are is a family group, with a decidedly bent way of looking at things. No real Christian approves of what those clowns do.

Really? Perhaps we could tell the same to those who use Islam as their nonsense Jihad?

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
When you show some large Christian organization that is strapping on bombs or flying planes into buildings, let me know. Until then, this is nothing but a rant.

I don't have to. Your government has done much of the work including false flag operations. You do aware of false flag operations?

My lady.

I'm sorry to tell you this. Waking up is the reason for me to discover this mess.

You are basically telling me that if you never saw it, it doesn't exist. Come on !
I'm afraid it is you,that lives in a dream world.

I'm not going to discuss my thoughts on this with you. You've already made up your mind.
It would be a waste of time for both of us.